Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

[BertCorbeau]

While Kallgren is not good and likely won't be here next year, it seems odd to move goalie depth like that.

It would make more sense to move Hunt, Simmonds, or Dahlstrom if teams didn't want to deal with one-way money.

Although I don't think the Leafs will be short on ways to open up contract spots if needed.

Unless the Leafs' have another goalie trade in the works

 

[SprDaVE]

While Kallgren is not good and likely won't be here next year, it seems odd to move goalie depth like that.

It would make more sense to move Hunt, Simmonds, or Dahlstrom if teams didn't want to deal with one-way money.

Although I don't think the Leafs will be short on ways to open up contract spots if needed.

Maybe. You always want 5 goaltenders in your organization for sure but Kallgren might be asking for a fresh start and maybe the Leafs will give it to him.

It would be very Leaf like to trade a goaltender away and the next day have 3 goaltenders go on the IR... so I don't know.

Just a guess based on the call-ups from the Growlers.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Unless the Leafs' have another goalie trade in the works

We don't have cap space. Even if we did, nobody out there feels like a better bet than just trusting Woll.

Goalie is just a waste of assets, like Schenn if we don't move a defenseman out.

 

[SprDaVE]

Unless the Leafs' have another goalie trade in the works

The CHL free agency bidding started today. It's possible there's a free agent prospect goaltender to add as well.

 

[SprDaVE]

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Hoping after the deadline that focus shifts to the college/euro UFA market. Sounds like some solid talent on the D side, maybe a bit more desirable with some paths opening relatively soon.

I think the focus will be on UFA signings with our lack of draft picks in the future years for sure.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

The CHL free agency bidding started today. It's possible there's a free agent prospect goaltender to add as well.

Weak CHL crop this year TBH, and the Leafs haven't really signed any OAer out of there in a while. AHL contracts, sure. But the season is still ongoing and how many worthwhile options are playing for bad teams? I'd bet zero.

Any non-OA can't be signed until after the draft...

I think we will be active in the AHL contract market, because we will likely only have a few returning, and we will look at some of the top guys, who are mostly defensemen (Livingstone, Pulli, Haman Aktell, etc.), but we don't have much room this year.

 

[3headeddragon]

I think the focus will be on UFA signings with our lack of draft picks in the future years for sure.

I thought there would be an in flux of prospects graduating to the Marlies next year. So wouldn't it be 2 years before an aggressive approach to college FA is needed.

Not saying if you like someone not to pursue. I would be more inclined to be aggressive in pursuing players from this summer's prospect camp who still have junior availability.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I thought there would be an in flux of prospects graduating to the Marlies next year. So wouldn't it be 2 years before an aggressive approach to college FA is needed.

Not saying if you like someone not to pursue. I would be more inclined to be aggressive in pursuing players from this summer's prospect camp who still have junior availability.

That's a fair assessment. I honestly am not as worried as some, I think we have a good system to find and nurture young players. Plus we tend to treat players right IMO at least.

 

[3headeddragon]

That's a fair assessment. I honestly am not as worried as some, I think we have a good system to find and nurture young players. Plus we tend to treat players right IMO at least.

Absolutely agree

 

[Magic Man]

Are people having luck watching the Marlies game in the Leafs app? Doesn't work worth a shit for me.

 

[shaner8989]

Why give this bum any playing time. Putrid. He’s done with the organization in the matter of weeks or months. Play Petruzzelli every game

 

[SprDaVE]

Why give this bum any playing time. Putrid. He’s done with the organization in the matter of weeks or months. Play Petruzzelli every game

Even Patrick Roy needed a day off?

 

[aingefan]

I think the focus will be on UFA signings with our lack of draft picks in the future years for sure.

I think a couple signings could augment depth for sure.
I’m less concerned about the absence of picks the past couple of years and moving forward.
System overall is in good shape, there were excess picks early on. There’s a few waves of forwards that look promising; the D side looks to have mostly guys with 5/6 ceilings (aside from Niemela). The pick deficit over the next 3 years isn’t optimal, but it’s not so bad.
So.
My main interest would be the cream of the crop D. There’s 3-4 guys who could move quick, who are viable prospects, and for the 23-24 and 24-25 seasons there will be some jobs opening.
Given that, given the teams success now and shape in the future, their development history and access to resources, I think the Leafs might be a viable option for those players maybe more this year than others who might otherwise jump at the first opportunity to get to the NHL.

 

[SprDaVE]

The Marlies are starting to get reaaaally thin.

They are up 2-1 though right now.

 

[aingefan]

I thought there would be an in flux of prospects graduating to the Marlies next year. So wouldn't it be 2 years before an aggressive approach to college FA is needed.

Not saying if you like someone not to pursue. I would be more inclined to be aggressive in pursuing players from this summer's prospect camp who still have junior availability.

The junior guy approach is a viable one too.
You’re right, there’s an influx of forwards joining the system next year; the D side is a little less deep.
I just see a window of opportunity for the top UFA defenseman to be part of a very strong program pretty soon.
It would seem to me that opportunity could knock for those guys in TO as early as next year, which might be desirable to those better D prospects.

The Marlies are starting to get reaaaally thin.

They are up 2-1 though right now.

Oof. First Gaudette, Abramov…..then JoeyA….then the injuries. Almost a full top two lines out of the lineup today.
Gut check. Test for the coach.
Edit to add: At least Filip Kral is in (;

 

[3headeddragon]

The junior guy approach is a viable one too.
You’re right, there’s an influx of forwards joining the system next year; the D side is a little less deep.
I just see a window of opportunity for the top UFA defenseman to be part of a very strong program pretty soon.
It would seem to me that opportunity could knock for those guys in TO as early as next year, which might be desirable to those better D prospects.


Oof. First Gaudette, Abramov…..then JoeyA….then the injuries. Almost a full top two lines out of the lineup today.
Gut check. Test for the coach.
Edit to add: At least Filip Kral is in (;

I have no problem chasing the high quality FAs graduating from college any year. But chasing the average guys just to fill roster spots makes little sense to me. Wasted contract spots.

Might as well grab veteran AHL players to help develop the prospects you believe can develop into NHL players

 

[ManosArriba]

2 for Ellis, good to see him getting more ice time. Centazzo is interesting, he can really fly, looks like a poor mans Nylander with that flow.

 

[Leafed]

Hirvonen and Niemela should be checking in in a month or so for the Marlies

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I think a couple signings could augment depth for sure.
I’m less concerned about the absence of picks the past couple of years and moving forward.
System overall is in good shape, there were excess picks early on. There’s a few waves of forwards that look promising; the D side looks to have mostly guys with 5/6 ceilings (aside from Niemela). The pick deficit over the next 3 years isn’t optimal, but it’s not so bad.
So.
My main interest would be the cream of the crop D. There’s 3-4 guys who could move quick, who are viable prospects, and for the 23-24 and 24-25 seasons there will be some jobs opening.
Given that, given the teams success now and shape in the future, their development history and access to resources, I think the Leafs might be a viable option for those players maybe more this year than others who might otherwise jump at the first opportunity to get to the NHL.

I think we have done well with getting players or prospects that were kind of noted to be "done" and good luck good riddance into something. Joey Anderson surely didn't pan out as an NHLer but we still did decent for him in flipping him. I am sure we will do something similar again.

I do agree we definitely need to get our forward prospect game up a bit more and see how things will go with a lot of things moving.

 

[4thline]

You’re right, there’s an influx of forwards joining the system next year; the D side is a little less deep.

Is there really?

of Juniors
Voit yes. Minten/Lisowsky/Moldenhauer either not Marlies eligible or committed to NCAA. Kressler could come, but will likely be flirting with 100 total OHL games (including playoffs) over the last 3 seasons. I like him but he can't stay healthy. Could be candidate for an OA season in the O.

One, maaaaybe 2.

Of NCAA
Knies is likely with the Leafs, I think I read somewhere that Tverberg and Miettinen aren't coming out until they graduate, Miller is nowhere near ready.

Likely zero

From Europe
Grebyonkin is under contract in Russia. Hirvonen is likely, and we have Ovchinnikov under ELC as well. Kara/Chebykin/Kizimov complete wildcards, but all getting old, if they sign it will likely be with the intent to head home if they don't crack the Leafs out of camp or soon after.
Possibly/likely 2

So 2-4 incoming Marlies (3 is a safe bet).

Assuming McMann and Holmberg are Day 1 leafs, RFA's re-signed, returning Marlies with NHL contracts will be Abruzzese, Ellis, Steeves, SDA, Clifford.

We've got room to go after a couple of high profile guys with the promise of a shot at major AHL minutes

 

[Apex Predator]

Is Wayne Simmonds with the Marilies? Where did he disappear to?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Is there really?

of Juniors
Voit yes. Minten/Lisowsky/Moldenhauer either not Marlies eligible or committed to NCAA. Kressler could come, but will likely be flirting with 100 total OHL games (including playoffs) over the last 3 seasons. I like him but he can't stay healthy. Could be candidate for an OA season in the O.

One, maaaaybe 2.

Of NCAA
Knies is likely with the Leafs, I think I read somewhere that Tverberg and Miettinen aren't coming out until they graduate, Miller is nowhere near ready.

Likely zero

From Europe
Grebyonkin is under contract in Russia. Hirvonen is likely, and we have Ovchinnikov under ELC as well. Kara/Chebykin/Kizimov complete wildcards, but all getting old, if they sign it will likely be with the intent to head home if they don't crack the Leafs out of camp or soon after.
Possibly/likely 2

So 2-4 incoming Marlies (3 is a safe bet).

Assuming McMann and Holmberg are Day 1 leafs, RFA's re-signed, returning Marlies with NHL contracts will be Abruzzese, Ellis, Steeves, SDA, Clifford.

We've got room to go after a couple of high profile guys with the promise of a shot at major AHL minutes

Abruzzese - Shaw - Voit
Steeves - ??? - SDA
Hirvonen - ??? - Ellis
Clifford - Kressler - Ovchinnikov

There may be room for one guy if he is absolutely worth it, but most likely those spots are earmarked for some vets and to get some added size.

 

[SprDaVE]

Is Wayne Simmonds with the Marilies? Where did he disappear to?

Him and Benn are technically on the Marlies yes but they are not playing and likely won't play unless they want to up their conditioning after sitting out for a bit.

 

[4thline]

Abruzzese - Shaw - Voit
Steeves - ??? - SDA
Hirvonen - ??? - Ellis
Clifford - Kressler - Ovchinnikov

There may be room for one guy if he is absolutely worth it, but most likely those spots are earmarked for some vets and to get some added size.

I think Kressler is 50/50 on OA year, and Voit and Ovchinnikov will have to earn their way out of the depth/platoon arrangement while they learn NA pro hockey.

We're not so logjammed that getting 2 of Swankler/McCallister/Polin/Graf (if we could swing it) would cause major issues