Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

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Good for him, he’s been great in the organization for us. Probably looking to make some big money while he’s still got it, maybe he will come back after.

He is probably not making more than he did on an AHL deal.

There will need to be a ton of work done for the Marlies and Growlers next year it looks like. Tychonick was a good start, and we will have a ton of young guys coming in full time next year.
 

I would have suggested Love as an option to replace Carbery, but I don't think he does PP.

Not sure he would go lateral unless he really likes Treliving and his chances to potentially replace Keefe if he is not here after next year.
 
I would have suggested Love as an option to replace Carbery, but I don't think he does PP.

Not sure he would go lateral unless he really likes Treliving and his chances to potentially replace Keefe if he is not here after next year.
He ran the the power-play with National Junior team didn't he?
 
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I hate this time of year but i also love it.

I hate when the pundits link every player ufa, rfa, or trade to the leafs with no realistic thought of our need or cap space.

I love it because it’s exciting to see in which direction we go,

Good times
 
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Why not? The highest profile non-NHL position.

We had Maurice, Eakins, Keefe, Gilbert, Spott.
All NHL head coaches except Spott who has had a really good run as an assistant for years.

No need to go the Greg Moore route again.

I doubt we do. I don't even think Dubas would do that again. He had 1.5 years of HC experience on a loaded team and it looked like it from Day 1 with the Marlies.

There is really not that fine of a line between lack of pro experience and lack of experience at all. It is good to have fresh ideas but Moore's sucked and he lacked experience altogether. Keefe had a decade of HC experience before going to the Marlies, even if it was all at the OHL/CCHL level.

I think it all depends on what Treliving plans on doing with Keefe first-and-foremost. Then at that point, the AHL HC job will probably be the guy most likely to replace him and the Carbery-replacement will likely be insurance and someone with NHL experience just in case the AHL guy isn't ready for the NHL job. Probably not a Boudreau or Gallant, but maybe a Bylsma or a Dave Cameron (Treliving brought him in as an assistant back in 2016).

Or if they go after a guy like Mitch Love, then maybe he is the NHL assistant and a guy like Travis Green is the AHL HC while he waits for another NHL opportunity.

If you are looking at AHL HC options, then I would strongly consider Stephane Julien out of Sherbrooke. One of the up-and-coming guys out of the QMJHL. Can be a bit hit and miss overall. Rand Pecknold out of Quinnipiac is another potential option (almost 2 decades of HC experience there and finally won a Championship). But I think if Treliving really goes out of the box, and this may be more down Dubas' alley, then Ryan Papaioannou out of Brooks has to be someone that should eventually get a ton of interest:

- 39 years old but 7 AJHL championships in 14 years as HC/GM; 2 years were cancelled due to Covid and Brooks was a heavy favourite to win both of those years, which would have given him 9 total championships and 5 in a row.
- Turned a mediocre team into a team that consistently churns out high quality NCAA talent, some of which turn into NHL prospects. This includes Cale Makar and Corson Ceulemans, as well as Ryan MacAllister.
- Outside of his first year as HC, where he went 28-27-4, he has a career record of 588-109-40 in the regular season.

Obviously AJHL is not the best quality hockey, but there is something to be said about that level of success and potentially bypassing CHL coaching experience to get some kind of opportunity in the AHL.

 
I doubt we do. I don't even think Dubas would do that again. He had 1.5 years of HC experience on a loaded team and it looked like it from Day 1 with the Marlies.

There is really not that fine of a line between lack of pro experience and lack of experience at all. It is good to have fresh ideas but Moore's sucked and he lacked experience altogether. Keefe had a decade of HC experience before going to the Marlies, even if it was all at the OHL/CCHL level.

I think it all depends on what Treliving plans on doing with Keefe first-and-foremost. Then at that point, the AHL HC job will probably be the guy most likely to replace him and the Carbery-replacement will likely be insurance and someone with NHL experience just in case the AHL guy isn't ready for the NHL job. Probably not a Boudreau or Gallant, but maybe a Bylsma or a Dave Cameron (Treliving brought him in as an assistant back in 2016).

Or if they go after a guy like Mitch Love, then maybe he is the NHL assistant and a guy like Travis Green is the AHL HC while he waits for another NHL opportunity.

If you are looking at AHL HC options, then I would strongly consider Stephane Julien out of Sherbrooke. One of the up-and-coming guys out of the QMJHL. Can be a bit hit and miss overall. Rand Pecknold out of Quinnipiac is another potential option (almost 2 decades of HC experience there and finally won a Championship). But I think if Treliving really goes out of the box, and this may be more down Dubas' alley, then Ryan Papaioannou out of Brooks has to be someone that should eventually get a ton of interest:

- 39 years old but 7 AJHL championships in 14 years as HC/GM; 2 years were cancelled due to Covid and Brooks was a heavy favourite to win both of those years, which would have given him 9 total championships and 5 in a row.
- Turned a mediocre team into a team that consistently churns out high quality NCAA talent, some of which turn into NHL prospects. This includes Cale Makar and Corson Ceulemans, as well as Ryan MacAllister.
- Outside of his first year as HC, where he went 28-27-4, he has a career record of 588-109-40 in the regular season.

Obviously AJHL is not the best quality hockey, but there is something to be said about that level of success and potentially bypassing CHL coaching experience to get some kind of opportunity in the AHL.


Could be worth a shot. I was saying that TJ Hughes would be a good College FA to give an AHL deal to to try and earn a shot at the NHL when he's done in Michigan and he mentions him in that interview.
 
Could be worth a shot. I was saying that TJ Hughes would be a good College FA to give an AHL deal to to try and earn a shot at the NHL when he's done in Michigan and he mentions him in that interview.

He has 3 years of eligibility left. It will be a long time before he considers an AHL deal, and he would have received an ELC if he didn't want to go back to college for another year.

He is pretty much a lock for an ELC in next year's pool.
 
Looking for info on players who made their NHL debut last season. Specifically what type of player they are and what their future NHL outlook is. Thanks!

F - Bobby McMann
F - Matthew Knies
F - Pontus Holmberg
F - Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
D - Filip Kral
D - Mac Hollowell
 
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Looking for info on players who made their NHL debut last season. Specifically what type of player they are and what their future NHL outlook is. Thanks!

F - Bobby McMann
F - Matthew Knies
F - Pontus Holmberg
F - Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
D - Filip Kral
D - Mac Hollowell
McMann is 27 years old, and has 10 games and one point to his credit at the NHL level. He's shown well in the AHL, and "might" make it as a cheap 4th liner.... or not... it's pretty borderline for him.

Knies is a top six NHL player, and will be there for us from day one.

Holmberg showed well for us, when he played for us. I think he has the capacity to be a reasonable 3C, but needs to work a bit on strength and faceoffs. He's a good setup guy, but needs better finishers to reach his potential, than we had him with last year.

Semyon Der-Arguchintsev - signed a contact in the KHL, and likely never comes back, and wasn't good enough anyway.

Kral - I like the kid, he needs a good season this year in the AHL, after some injuries last year, and I think he has a chance one day or playing in the NHL.

Hollowell - Undersized 5'9" guy... I think he's going to be a guy who excels with a career in the AHL, and gets a few tastes of the NHL. If his game takes off, he might have a chance elsewhere.
 
McMann is 27 years old, and has 10 games and one point to his credit at the NHL level. He's shown well in the AHL, and "might" make it as a cheap 4th liner.... or not... it's pretty borderline for him.

Knies is a top six NHL player, and will be there for us from day one.

Holmberg showed well for us, when he played for us. I think he has the capacity to be a reasonable 3C, but needs to work a bit on strength and faceoffs. He's a good setup guy, but needs better finishers to reach his potential, than we had him with last year.

Semyon Der-Arguchintsev - signed a contact in the KHL, and likely never comes back, and wasn't good enough anyway.

Kral - I like the kid, he needs a good season this year in the AHL, after some injuries last year, and I think he has a chance one day or playing in the NHL.

Hollowell - Undersized 5'9" guy... I think he's going to be a guy who excels with a career in the AHL, and gets a few tastes of the NHL. If his game takes off, he might have a chance elsewhere.
Did SDA actually sign in the K?
Can the team keep his rights?

I can see him getting over the top on time.

Good luck SDA. Smart pick.
 
McMann played well while a Leaf, he was snake bitten by disallowed goals, posts and near misses. He brings good physicality to the bottom 6.

Hollowell played really well as a Leaf if you can get by his size.
In fact the team went 5-0-1 with him in the lineup only losing an OT game in TB.
It was a tough stretch with 5 of 6 games on the road and ended with a 4-0 win in Dallas.
 
Did SDA actually sign in the K?
Can the team keep his rights?

I can see him getting over the top on time.

Good luck SDA. Smart pick.

Not quite official yet, but he changed agents and his agent deals with the KHL. So it's all but done.

McMann played well while a Leaf, he was snake bitten by disallowed goals, posts and near misses. He brings good physicality to the bottom 6.

Hollowell played really well as a Leaf if you can get by his size.
In fact the team went 5-0-1 with him in the lineup only losing an OT game in TB.
It was a tough stretch with 5 of 6 games on the road and ended with a 4-0 win in Dallas.

Hollowell is definitely better than what people think he is. He's not a beast physically, but his skating ability and agility is so good to go along with smart skills. He really developed his 2-way game over the last couple years. I'm not sure if he'll be around for next season but he should be. I think he could be a nice cheap depth option depending on what happens.

As for McMan, he is what he is. A hard working capable depth NHLer. He'll likely have a good long shot in the NHL next year, very likely with the Leafs. He really fits what the fans talk about wanting in terms of forechecking and functional physicality.
 
His defensive game is much better than Williams'.

I do not think he is a long shot to play in the NHL. I do think he is a long shot to be better than a decent bottom 6er which makes him a questionable high 2nd round pick.

If he was a mid-3rd round pick, which is where he should have been taken, then he is a perfectly fine prospect.
Agree 100% that he was overdrafted.

His strength is defense first thinking and closer replacing a David Kampf like role in the bottom 6 down the road.

As Kelowna Rockets season ticket holder I get to see him live numerous times throughout the year and I don't really see much here. The Memorial Cup was in Kamloops which is just up the road from here and I watched all Blazer games in the tournament and he scored 1 PP goal in the event.
 
4 points in 11 games in the WHL playoffs plus only 1 goal (and point) in 4 Memorial Cup game is not really solid from an offensive standpoint.

His defensive metrics didn't grade out nearly well enough to make up for it either, but they were at least promising enough to not make him a longshot.

I think he had a solid D+1 season for a mid-3rd round pick. Disappointing D+1 season out of a high 2nd round pick.
We can see defensive metrics on chl players now.. what a world..

What site?
 
We can see defensive metrics on chl players now.. what a world..

What site?

Sportlogiq. You'd have to pay for it though. I think InStat is also fairly popular for that kind of stuff, and they are more reliable for certain things than Sportlogiq.

They have it for NHL/AHL/USHL/CHL/WJC but other than that, it gets fairly spotty.
 
Sportlogiq. You'd have to pay for it though. I think InStat is also fairly popular for that kind of stuff, and they are more reliable for certain things than Sportlogiq.

They have it for NHL/AHL/USHL/CHL/WJC but other than that, it gets fairly spotty.
holy lord these sites look fascinating.. jesus i would lose hours / days on this stuff...
 
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