Prospect Info: Marlies/Prospects Thread - 2023-23 Season Edition

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I get where you're coming from. But I think the issue is you can find those bottom six/third pair guys a plenty in free agency without too much trouble. While getting a guy like Point from the 3rd round or Kaprizov from the 5th round can impact a franchise for a decade
Exactly and something I have been thinking too.

We get players like Blackwell and Acciari at the trade deadline.
Quite solid bottom line players. Then you look and see they were UFA signed for around $1 million.

Why groom a Steeves for years when you can get a proven guy so easily and cheap?

Another guy I thought was perfectly fine bottom pairing D in his very limited games with us was Ben Hutton. We tossed him to the curb quickly. He is $850K
 
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Exactly and something I have been thinking too.

We get players like Blackman and Acciari at the trade deadline.
Quite solid bottom line players. Then you look and see they were UFA signed for around $1 million.

Why groom a Steeves for years when you can get a proven guy so easily and cheap?

Another guy I thought was perfectly fine bottom pairing D in his very limited games with us was Ben Hutton. We tossed him to the curb quickly. He is $850K
Lol Blackwell?

Acciari is definitely a couple notches above him.
 
Idk about that. I'd rather take a very effective bottom 6 guy on a ELC that didn't require any assets to trade away or possibly overpay in FA for 3 years over trading away picks/prospects or whatever. Look at Kolesar on Vegas who is a 4th liner and pretty effective in his role. Vegas had to trade the 45th overall pick for a 4th liner not even playing 10 mins a game these playoffs which ended up being Texier. If I'm trading 1st or 2d round picks I would be wanting to get a top 6 player in return but the way the market is teams know teams are desperate for good bottom 6 depth guys so you see them getting moved for 1st or 2nd round picks and unfortunately we're always in the market for these types of players because we don't draft them . Don't go for a homerun pick everytime because if you could get a very good bottom 6 player who can skate and play physical then you possibly have them cheap for 3-7 years on cheap deals and towards the end of the 2nd deal you could probably move them if you know they'll want a raise for a very good return without really hurting your team, especially if you have another player like them waiting for an opening in the lineup. If scouts really love a guy and think they'll be a top 6 guy then pull the trigger but they shouldn't just be trying to find those hit or miss guys with every single pick every single year. That quote from Trotz the other day was perfect thinking imo between a GM and his scouts.
To summarize you don’t trade a top 60 pick for a 4th liner. That’s how GMs get fired.

I was kind of hoping Minten would've had a more impactful memorial cup. 1 goal in 4 games.

Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.
 
Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.

His defensive game is much better than Williams'.

I do not think he is a long shot to play in the NHL. I do think he is a long shot to be better than a decent bottom 6er which makes him a questionable high 2nd round pick.

If he was a mid-3rd round pick, which is where he should have been taken, then he is a perfectly fine prospect.
 
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Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.
I think next year we'll get a better read on Minten. With Stankoven not coming back that #1C spot is his to lose and he should get all the PP and PK minutes as well. Only negative is I believe Kamloops went all in this year so they could be rebuilding and he might be on a very bad team.
 
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Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.
Why would you think this?
Shooting ability and IQ are pretty important.
Jeremy Williams skated like he had a piano on his back.

A high 2nd round pick that exceeded expectations this year in jr as well as showed well at the National jr camp, expected shoe-in @ World junior next year.
Also a solid playoff season.

Still 18 years old...lots of runway left for this kid.
 
Why would you think this?
Shooting ability and IQ are pretty important.
Jeremy Williams skated like he had a piano on his back.

A high 2nd round pick that exceeded expectations this year in jr as well as showed well at the National jr camp, expected shoe-in @ World junior next year.
Also a solid playoff season.

Still 18 years old...lots of runway left for this kid.

4 points in 11 games in the WHL playoffs plus only 1 goal (and point) in 4 Memorial Cup game is not really solid from an offensive standpoint.

His defensive metrics didn't grade out nearly well enough to make up for it either, but they were at least promising enough to not make him a longshot.

I think he had a solid D+1 season for a mid-3rd round pick. Disappointing D+1 season out of a high 2nd round pick.
 
4 points in 11 games in the WHL playoffs plus only 1 goal (and point) in 4 Memorial Cup game is not really solid from an offensive standpoint.

His defensive metrics didn't grade out nearly well enough to make up for it either, but they were at least promising enough to not make him a longshot.

I think he had a solid D+1 season for a mid-3rd round pick. Disappointing D+1 season out of a high 2nd round pick.
Isn't a lot of lack of big offensive numbers because his team is so good he was a second line player? His offensive numbers would have been better on a different team.
 
Isn't a lot of lack of big offensive numbers because his team is so good he was a second line player? His offensive numbers would have been better on a different team.
Part of it is, but he's mostly just not a very strong offensive player. He has very little to offer in terms of playmaking even at this level
 
Isn't a lot of lack of big offensive numbers because his team is so good he was a second line player? His offensive numbers would have been better on a different team.

He should still be producing on a 2nd line for a competitive team. It is not like he wasn't playing with good players himself. He just doesn't have much to offer in the offensive end besides his shot and general effort/IQ... Neither of which looks like it is going to translate to anything more than maybe 3rd line production in the NHL if everything else rounds out well.
 
Standing in the bowels of the Sandman Centre on a day off between games at the Memorial Cup, Shaun Clouston, Kamloops’ head coach and general manager, is talking about why, on a team with nine drafted NHL players all of whom are older than Minten, it’s Minten who wears one of its letters. Minten is also the team’s fifth-youngest player,

“He’s a guy that sort of has a real good sense of the pulse of the team,” Clouston explains. “He’s always engaged in whatever we’re doing. He finds ways to get better. He’s a guy that is really driven. And he’s really important in lots of ways. He factors into our offence for sure. He plays a great 200-foot game. He’s a big part of our power play and he’s one of our top penalty killers most nights. So he’s a real important piece.”

By year’s end, his smart play, penalty killing and 71 points in a combined 84 regular-season and playoff games as a 17-year-old second-year player with the Blazers had vaulted him all the way up to No. 28 on NHL Central Scouting’s final ranking of North American skaters in advance of the Leafs taking him in the second round in Montreal.

This year, on a loaded Blazers team that had seven drafted forward prospects by years end, plus a top draft eligible in 2023 prospect Connor Levis, Minten finished third on the team in goals per game (0.54) and fourth in points per game (1.18) with 31 goals and 67 points in just 57 games. But on top of the production, he was also 552 for 1,027 in the faceoff circle (53.7 percent) and he became lethal attacking off the wall on the power play (where he scored 17 of his goals, fourth-most in the WHL). Plus, Minten and Islanders prospect Daylan Kuefler were a go-to pair for Clouston on the penalty kill.

*Goes on to mention he was injured coming into this years playoffs.
When he talks about this season, he says the only bump in the road was actually a second injury suffered late in the year that nagged him into the playoffs.

Though Kamloops played 14 games before falling in the third round to eventual WHL-champion Seattle Thunderbirds, he played in 10 of them and registered four points.

Thankfully, he said he feels like himself again, and the injuries are in the rearview.
 
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Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.
Minten has scored most of his goals on the PP. Williams looked good his first few games and then took a nose dive. But we are better suited to train and develop prospects now than before. Williams was called up because we were crap and needed help right away. Simple as that.
 
I've wondered if Jeremy Williams has the highest goals per game for a player who played less than 50 in the NHL (9 in 32), excluding cases of injuries...

Still playing and ripping it up in the German 2nd league...
 
If SDA moves on, all the best to him.
It was a smart projection pick at the time, given his age and profile.
And in camps he showed that he can play with talent.
Id personally like to see him stick around on a waiver safe deal, being a youngish RH C/W has some value for the Marlies who should still be pretty good, maybe even just to help get NickRob going again.
 
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What do you guys think of Malatesta for what I assume would be a UFA signing, AHL. I'm watching the Memorial Cup, he is a bit of an asshole player but not sure if he translates to NHL.
 
What do you guys think of Malatesta for what I assume would be a UFA signing, AHL. I'm watching the Memorial Cup, he is a bit of an asshole player but not sure if he translates to NHL.

Ya hes played well but he signed with Columbus
 
Minten is a long shot to play in the NHL. His best attribute is his shooting ability and his hockey IQ. However the leafs had a prospect named Jeremy Williams who was a clever player who could rip the puck but wound up a career minor leaguer.

I don't find those alike at all. Minten has a much bigger frame along with a competitive streak and some decent hockey skills. Minten's skating is better and should get better. I don't think Minten is nearly as skilled with the puck as Williams but he won't have to be.


Jeremy Williams was very slightly built and got rag dolled all of the time. He was a sloppy average skater. He had (has, he's still playing) a killer fast release. I remember Williams being surprisingly game to try and mix it up but couldn't win pucks or keep possession in traffic.
 
I don't find those alike at all. Minten has a much bigger frame along with a competitive streak and some decent hockey skills. Minten's skating is better and should get better. I don't think Minten is nearly as skilled with the puck as Williams but he won't have to be.


Jeremy Williams was very slightly built and got rag dolled all of the time. He was a sloppy average skater. He had (has, he's still playing) a killer fast release. I remember Williams being surprisingly game to try and mix it up but couldn't win pucks or keep possession in traffic.


I hope Minten can be a Brayden Schenn for us.
 
I don't find those alike at all. Minten has a much bigger frame along with a competitive streak and some decent hockey skills. Minten's skating is better and should get better. I don't think Minten is nearly as skilled with the puck as Williams but he won't have to be.


Jeremy Williams was very slightly built and got rag dolled all of the time. He was a sloppy average skater. He had (has, he's still playing) a killer fast release. I remember Williams being surprisingly game to try and mix it up but couldn't win pucks or keep possession in traffic.
Minten has a long way to go with his skating. Much of his point production comes from the PP and he’s been quiet in the mem cup.
 
1. Nikita Grebyonkin 2. Nick Robertson 3. Matt Knies 4. Fraser Minten 5. Nick Moldenhauer

Are those our top prospects or our top 3 Nick's?
Any list that has Knies below Robertson i am in disagreement with.
 
I have a strong feeling they are using that translation metric, NHLe, to generate that list. I wouldn’t be too concerned it as it does not backtest well.
I don’t think so, believe Holmberg would be higher if so, plus the other AHL guys. NHLe doesn’t love Junior leagues, but it loves pro leagues

With that said, good to be skeptical of all models. Nevertheless, historically the best predictor IS just to sort by league scoring stats to find the highest probability fo a successful NHLer (subjective definition).
 
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