Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[nobody imp0rtant]

You'd pay to watch someone jump off a bridge all over some sports games. It ain't that serious.

Of course I meant he would have a bungee cord attached.

 

[John Agar]

Doesn’t Mark have a golf tournament in the city in the summer?
Im kinda curious to hear about how he is feeling about this season and if he’d be candid about his commitment to the club going forward with the new players.

Chef isn't playing in the upcoming Manitoba Open I hear this August...

Morgan Barron is...

 

[Gabe Kupari]

55 gonna sign. Helle will be dealt.

 

[Cnile]

You can be shit at cold calls but a beast of a closer and you will absolutely get the big bonus. Scheif is a closer.

Whether or not you agree with that is up to you.

Yes ….closer to free agency
I love English

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Chef isn't playing in the upcoming Manitoba Open I hear this August...

Morgan Barron is...

So they will interview Barron this year to talk about how Scheifele has taken time to reflect and is fully committed to the team

 

[bennylundholm]

I'm quite sure the Jets are not receiving great offers for 55.
Some fans on this board overrate him substantially.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Really don't think Boston has much to offer outside of swayman so not sure there. There are a few teams who make more sense and have pieces like Ottawa or Arizona or Carolina even.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Scheif plus helle to Carolina for Necas Jarvis Morrow Pesce 1st 24 and goalie

 

[Benjamin Doveridge]

Scheifele is going to start playing a 2 way game again and put up stellar numbers. Before the trade deadline he is going give the Jets a massive haul when he gets traded.

 

[ps241]

Yes ….closer to free agency
I love English

What a great ensemble of actors there. I love the storm in the background. I might have to watch that Movie again.

 

[Bob E]

Can't see Boston going into the season with Zacha and Coyle as their top 6 C's.

But, they also don't have much to include in a deal for a top C. Swayman, and pending UFA in DeBrusk? Not much else, from what they could dangle, would be of interest.

I think Scheifele gets dealt (but not to Bruins, imo) unless he commits to a new deal. But that contract would not age well, imo.

 

[abax44]

Yes ….closer to free agency
I love English

I was thinking Workaholics (sorry for the FB link)

 

[DRW204]

Can't see Boston going into the season with Zacha and Coyle as their top 6 C's.

But, they also don't have much to include in a deal for a top C. Swayman, and pending UFA in DeBrusk? Not much else, from what they could dangle, would be of interest.

I think Scheifele gets dealt (but not to Bruins, imo) unless he commits to a new deal. But that contract would not age well, imo.

And if scheifele is traded The Jets C group is basically equal or worse to Boston's current group? Soooo what are we doing to make it better?

 

[Bob E]

And if scheifele is traded The Jets C group is basically equal or worse to Boston's current group? Soooo what are we doing to make it better?

Unlike Boston, we would be looking for growth from within. Perfetti and Vilardi would be candidates for fulltime promotion, and within a year or two, you might have ppg players. Boston doesn't have that in more established (or plateaued) players in Zacha and Coyle.

Jets also have two young high drafted players, Lambert and Lucius, developing on the Moose. The Jets approach should be one of development and patience. Especially if Scheifele and Helle are traded, their best players are part of the next core (after Scheifele, Wheeler and Helle).

 

[DRW204]

Unlike Boston, we would be looking for growth from within. Perfetti and Vilardi would be candidates for fulltime promotion, and within a year or two, you might have ppg players. Boston doesn't have that in more established (or plateaued) players in Zacha and Coyle.

Jets also have two young high drafted players, Lambert and Lucius, developing on the Moose. The Jets approach should be one of development and patience. Especially if Scheifele and Helle are traded, their best players are part of the next core (after Scheifele, Wheeler and Helle).

the whole essence of the post was next season.

i am aware of lambert and lucius but they have little to no relevance or contributions on the WPG Jets next year.

is vilardi-perfetti-lowry-kupari/gus, in what appears to be a non-rebuild compete-now season a good enough C group to make a PO run in 23-24 .

 

[Bob E]

the whole essence of the post was next season.

i am aware of lambert and lucius but they have little to no relevance or contributions on the WPG Jets next year.

is vilardi-perfetti-lowry-kupari/gus, in what appears to be a non-rebuild compete-now season a good enough C group to make a PO run in 23-24 .

Won’t know until they’re offered the opportunity. I think both can be 60pt C next year. They are still young, developing and showing promise. Would that be enough to make the playoffs? Maybe.

I think it’s just as important to give them that development time, next year. Compete for a playoff spot, even if you fall short, and continue to develop into 70+pt 2-way Cs for years to come.

To me, that’s a better approach than signing an aging Scheifele to a legacy contract that’s not going to age well, just to maybe have a more productive C this year. One that gives up more goals than he creates.

 

[DRW204]

Won’t know until they’re offered the opportunity. I think both can be 60pt C next year. They are still young, developing and showing promise. Would that be enough to make the playoffs? Maybe.

I think it’s just as important to give them that development time, next year. Compete for a playoff spot, even if you fall short, and continue to develop into 70+pt 2-way Cs for years to come.

To me, that’s a better approach than signing an aging Scheifele to a legacy contract that’s not going to age well, just to maybe have a more productive C this year. One that gives up more goals than he creates.

just to be clear i am not arguing signing scheifele to a long-term contract or not, i just don't think this team will trade him now when he's their only sure thing as a top-6 C in a year where they are not rebuilding.

keep scheifele away from kyle connor and the Jets rate fine in net-offense when he's on the ice.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Unlike Boston, we would be looking for growth from within. Perfetti and Vilardi would be candidates for fulltime promotion, and within a year or two, you might have ppg players. Boston doesn't have that in more established (or plateaued) players in Zacha and Coyle.

Jets also have two young high drafted players, Lambert and Lucius, developing on the Moose. The Jets approach should be one of development and patience. Especially if Scheifele and Helle are traded, their best players are part of the next core (after Scheifele, Wheeler and Helle).

I actually love this approach.

 

[ps241]

just to be clear i am not arguing signing scheifele to a long-term contract or not, i just don't think this team will trade him now when he's their only sure thing as a top-6 C in a year where they are not rebuilding.

keep scheifele away from kyle connor and the Jets rate fine in net-offense when he's on the ice.

I doubt they keep Scheif away from Connor. Mark likes how they mesh in the attacking zone (fair enough) and the org knows better than to ruffle feathers, or doesn’t care. As long as the face off % is ok then the D coverage for a tenured scoring leaders is left to their discretion.

T2T

 

[Jets 31]

I doubt they keep Scheif away from Connor. Mark likes how they mesh in the attacking zone (fair enough) and the org knows better than to ruffle feathers, or doesn’t care. As long as the face off % is ok then the D coverage for a tenured scoring leaders is left to their discretion.

T2T

I'm willing to bet Connor likes playing with Scheifele too. Maybe Valardi would mesh with them and bring some 2 way play to that line. Scheifele has frustrated me many times with his lazy play but for me Connor was the one who drove me crazy with his play in the playoffs.

 

[ps241]

I'm willing to bet Connor likes playing with Scheifele too. Maybe Valardi would mesh with them and bring some 2 way play to that line. Scheifele has frustrated me many times with his lazy play but for me Connor was the one who drove me crazy with his play in the playoffs.

What I have loved about Connor is he is one of the few Jets star forwards from the recent past who is not a prima donna. By all accounts he is chill and ultra low maintenance. I love Watching him with the puck inside the attack zone, on a break away (good lord can he dazzle), making himself available for passes so he can strike like a vipor from anywhere, creating, those slick hands (some of the best in the NHL). The list goes on with him as a scorer and every team needs one of these types.

What is painful to watch is him either trying to defend or trying to exit his own zone. He and Laine drove me crazy. At least one bad habit Kyle didn’t have was those Laine “junior dangles” that worked amazingly twice a season but resulted in needless turnovers the rest of the time.

I remember watching Kyle dominate at Michigan driving one of the best line’s in the NCAA and I was thrilled he was our draft pick but I posted back then how I had never seen a forward less interested in defending. He had that 300 pound offensive lineman looking lost and uninterested after an Interception, not even trying to make a play on a fast DB that had picked the ball vibe.

Funny how the average fan looks at me with a blank stare when I mention that I love Connor’s goal scoring BUT he is a black hole defensively. Weird how Schiefele gets the hate by the fans for his total lack of engagement in the D zone but Connor gets a pass? With Mark Its just so painful to watch his body language, and once he got the rep fans started to watch for it, but Kyle is probably more useless and somehow hides in plain sight better from his faithful.

To be clear these two aren’t alone, in fact it is way more common for top 20 scorers to mail it in without the puck. Ovi was an embarrassment until Trotz showed up and sold him that to win a Cup he was going to have to come back past the red line. Does anyone remember Patrick Kane ever making a defensive play in his career because I don’t.

The coach and organization should keep these two apart but under Maurice Schiefele tended to get what he wanted. Bones has a backbone so we shall see how it plays out.

There was never anyone as good as a prime Wheeler driving the Scheifele line and really meshing with Mark but Perfetti really clicks with Mark. I hope to see more of that this season if Cole isn’t playing centre on his own line.

 

[DRW204]

I think bc it's center vs winger there is a higher onus for scheifele be better defensively. What do you notice more, a winger that's poor defensively or a center? I'd say on the same scale, there's only a few wingers that are the same tier as the top Cs defensively.

 

[ps241]

I think bc it's center vs winger there is a higher onus for scheifele be better defensively. What do you notice more, a winger that's poor defensively or a center? I'd say on the same scale, there's only a few wingers that are the same tier as the top Cs defensively.

Yes Centers are more critical and tougher to hide when they are cheating

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

the whole essence of the post was next season.

i am aware of lambert and lucius but they have little to no relevance or contributions on the WPG Jets next year.

is vilardi-perfetti-lowry-kupari/gus, in what appears to be a non-rebuild compete-now season a good enough C group to make a PO run in 23-24 .

No - but better than what Boston has.
I don't think Boston has accepted a rebuild yet.

The trouble with a Scheifele > Boston trade is that it ideally links to also trading Helle. Scheif for a goalie and Helle for a C. Other pieces can be added by either sides to make caps work, balance values, etc. But trying to coordinate that would be tough.

 

[R Zardo]

Funny how the average fan looks at me with a blank stare when I mention that I love Connor’s goal scoring BUT he is a black hole defensively.

who are average fans and how do you enlighten them? just a soap box or something more formal?