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- Jun 10, 2014
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Assuming Scheifele is refusing to extend - the fact that keeping Scheifele in order to win now means winning for 1 year, if that, is the point. The rebuild that follows will be deeper and longer than the one we could go into 1 year earlier with the return on Scheifele. Same goes for Helle.
If trying to contend for 1 year only is the plan then no, they don't have much of a plan. If continually being a mediocre bubble team is their plan they don't have much of a plan there either.
As it appears right now, the plan seems to be to squeeze as much as they can out of Scheifele and Helle and let them walk after the season. That's a shite plan. After that? Who knows?
Gabe Kupari
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July 31st. Some of you should take a week off or 2 like the guy who created this account has done (shared computer/he never logs out)
He went to Costa Rica with his daughter yesterday
Some of you (Mortimer) should consider taking a break. Nothing is going to happen in July or Early August
He went to Costa Rica with his daughter yesterday
Some of you (Mortimer) should consider taking a break. Nothing is going to happen in July or Early August
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you said face the facts. both teams are aware of the facts.
You mean should they begin a rebuild?
Not a Bruins fan but if I was their GM, I would certainly be thinking about it. I would trade Ullmark before I would trade Swayman. IF I would trade for a top 6C it would be one younger than either Scheifele or Lindholm.
Pastrnak's trade value would be reduced by the size of his contract but should still be pretty hefty. Not sure about Marchand's value. His contract is not very big and just 2 years. It might take retention to get value back. The hesitation would come from his age and the possibility that he falls of the proverbial cliff. His scoring fell off last year after 6 straight seasons of ppg+. A blip, or the start of the decline? They have quite a few others who might bring solid returns at the TD, DeBrusk, JVR, a few Dmen. Could replace some of the picks they have traded away.
Sure, aware. That is not the same as 'facing' them.
You mean should they begin a rebuild?
Not a Bruins fan but if I was their GM, I would certainly be thinking about it. I would trade Ullmark before I would trade Swayman. IF I would trade for a top 6C it would be one younger than either Scheifele or Lindholm.
Pastrnak's trade value would be reduced by the size of his contract but should still be pretty hefty. Not sure about Marchand's value. His contract is not very big and just 2 years. It might take retention to get value back. The hesitation would come from his age and the possibility that he falls of the proverbial cliff. His scoring fell off last year after 6 straight seasons of ppg+. A blip, or the start of the decline? They have quite a few others who might bring solid returns at the TD, DeBrusk, JVR, a few Dmen. Could replace some of the picks they have traded away.
Sure, aware. That is not the same as 'facing' them.
LOL what.
the teams are facing the facts and choosing which way to go; rebuild, compete etc. they are not ignorant of the player contracts. you disagree with their plan in accordance to the facts that's entirely different.
tbcwpg
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Imagine thinking Pastrnak's trade value is REDUCED by his contract.
I really don't think the difference between successful short term rebuild and long term depressing one is the trade return on Mark Scheifele. I expect out of the big 4 names this summer he's the most likely to want to stick around as well. He's the de facto top forward on this team and there aren't really any successors coming in the next 3-4 years to supplant him there.
I really don't think the difference between successful short term rebuild and long term depressing one is the trade return on Mark Scheifele. I expect out of the big 4 names this summer he's the most likely to want to stick around as well. He's the de facto top forward on this team and there aren't really any successors coming in the next 3-4 years to supplant him there.
That is very possible...
Never the less... it for sure won't be Wheeler... and it won't be Chef...
Options are open I guess...
tbcwpg
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Yes I know.
I was only slightly curious if he still would play…
Or maybe not…
He’s got a buyout and new fish to fry…
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You are arguing my choice of words here. Facing the facts is a common expression. It means more than simple awareness of the facts.
I don’t see any realistic scenario in which the Jets use Scheifele and Hellebuyck as self-rentals. The Jets would have to have an incredible start up to the All-Star break for that to remotely be a possibility, and if that did happen, I would expect the Jets to hard core press these guys into an extension.
The more realistic scenario is that we use them as TDL rentals.
tbcwpg
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I think if the Jets are in the playoffs at the deadline, there's no way they move them, even without an extension.
Bubble teams do unload assets (St. Louis historically, Nashville). Jets traded Andrew Copp when they were just 3 points outside the playoff line but then brought in lesser pieces because they were "competing".
With season ticket sales already in, would the Jets unload Scheifele and Hellebuyck near the TDL and bring in lesser replacement pieces to compete? I think they do if they are a bubble team (whether it is slightly below or slightly above the playoff line).
Would fans revolt or would they understand? If the Jets were in that situation, there definitely would be leaks that the Jets had made extension overtures that were rejected so as to cover their arse if they had to make these trades. I know this forum would understand and applaud this.
tbcwpg
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If they're below the line, then move them, sure. If they're in WC1 or one of the top 3 spots in the division, there's no way.
I don't think this forum is necessarily representative of the fan base at large, but even on here I think the response would be mixed.
I do think the team will be decent and should be in the playoff hunt at that time so I don't see them moved at the deadline in that scenario.
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I disagree. I wish I could agree.
If Jets are even close to a PO spot as the TD approaches they will be buyers, not sellers. Or neither if they consider the own rentals to be enough. They may hard press for extensions but without a serious overpay that still probably doesn't happen if they are not extended well before then. Maybe a strong enough performance will convince Helle that he can have a chance at contending here.
I think that with the additions up front, they should be in a PO position at the TD so own rentals it will be if they haven't been traded or extended before then. I still hope for either trades or extensions before Xmas.
Gil Fisher
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Gil Fisher
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I would think that Chevy and Jets management are more aligned with the general forum consensus that he should be conducting asset management and trading both players by the TDL if they are not extending. The complicating part is how the Jets are doing and trending near the TDL. I hear ya that if they are doing REALLY well, they will not be selling these pieces off and yep, they will further add. The grey area is if they are floating around the playoff line… then, I think they need to pull the trigger on a trade or do a hard press to get extensions.
I don’t see Chevy blowing his asset management if we’re looking like a non-contending but likely WC team. Honestly would be hugely wasteful to blow these major assets for a likely first round drubbing.
tbcwpg
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It's a complicated scenario. There's the fan reaction, sure, but there's also likely to not be many happy campers in the dressing room either. In a market that isn't high on people's list of places to play, you have to weigh that player reaction as well.
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