Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[surixon]

I think Dillon still has value especially with his contract

I'm curious as to what they plan on doing with him, DeMelo, and Nino. All are on expiring deals and all can be traded fro picks at the deadline.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I'm curious as to what they plan on doing with him, DeMelo, and Nino. All are on expiring deals and all can be traded fro picks at the deadline.

I sure hope they are re-signing Nino and DeMelo... DeMelo was the only guy who made Stanley look decent - I'd really like to see a third pair of him and Heinola or Chisholm .... soon.

Dillon has a low cap hit by TD and that should be worth a young roster player and pick

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Stanley may have reached Jesse P status where everyone thinks he is worth something but he isn't. At least not a pick in the top 3 rounds type of return. May as well keep him and if he gets claimed on waivers oh well?

I would happily take a 4th for him right now.
But yes, if he is lost to waivers, it is not a big deal.
But the little deals add up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The off-season isn't over. Trades will be made until the season starts, so it's premature to assume that Stanley (and perhaps others) won't be traded.

I'm posting in the context of the comment about Dillon. He was the most likely to bring a decent return among those D who might have been moved. some of us thought he was the one most likely to be moved also considering that we need to break the logjam on the left side and that neither Morrissey nor Samberg are going to be moved.

I think any opportunity to trade Stanley has probably passed. He either stays now or is waived.

It may be premature but it doesn't look like anything is happening with our D until TC is over and some on the bottom are shuffled around.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Dillon still has value especially with his contract

Having been paid half his salary for this year already increases his trade value. An acquiring team still gets his full cap hit but it only costs them 2 mil in actual money.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I'm posting in the context of the comment about Dillon. He was the most likely to bring a decent return among those D who might have been moved. some of us thought he was the one most likely to be moved also considering that we need to break the logjam on the left side and that neither Morrissey nor Samberg are going to be moved.

I think any opportunity to trade Stanley has probably passed. He either stays now or is waived.

It may be premature but it doesn't look like anything is happening with our D until TC is over and some on the bottom are shuffled around.

I would think that Chevy holds firm until TD where Dillon is moved then Chishoim or Heinola playout the year on the third pairing

 

[Flair Hay]

I sure hope they are re-signing Nino and DeMelo... DeMelo was the only guy who made Stanley look decent - I'd really like to see a third pair of him and Heinola or Chisholm .... soon.

Dillon has a low cap hit by TD and that should be worth a young roster player and pick

Yeah tagging on another 3 or 4 years to DeMelo with a reasonable raise is a good idea for sure.

Nino would be great to keep around as well. With his age we need to be cautious as well. We don't want him making $4-5 mil in the bottom six blocking Rutger or Barlow. 2 years at his current AAV or a bit higher would be the most we should offer His game works for any line.

He is also a guy we can get a 2nd plus for at the deadline if he is not extended as well. Maybe more?

Same with DeMelo (and Dillon) for that matter. All guys that we could try to get a conditional 1st for.

Having been paid half his salary for this year already increases his trade value. An acquiring team still gets his full cap hit but it only costs them 2 mil in actual money.

I can't imagine he goes anywhere before deadline. He is still our 2nd best LD. Not that you were saying otherwise, just adding my thoughts.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would think that Chevy holds firm until TD where Dillon is moved then Chishoim or Heinola playout the year on the third pairing

Chisholm is no longer waiver exempt. He just might clear coming out of TC when there are a lot of players waived. But that's how we lost Kovacevic.

If we still have Scheif and Helle, we are probably not TD sellers.

 

[Flair Hay]

I would think that Chevy holds firm until TD where Dillon is moved then Chishoim or Heinola playout the year on the third pairing

Deadline is when these types of guys are at a premium. Right now teams don't want to add extra salary at all. Any contender can use a guy like Dillon.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah tagging on another 3 or 4 years to DeMelo with a reasonable raise is a good idea for sure.

Nino would be great to keep around as well. With his age we need to be cautious as well. We don't want him making $4-5 mil in the bottom six blocking Rutger or Barlow. 2 years at his current AAV or a bit higher would be the most we should offer His game works for any line.

He is also a guy we can get a 2nd plus for at the deadline if he is not extended as well. Maybe more?

Same with DeMelo (and Dillon) for that matter. All guys that we could try to get a conditional 1st for.


I can't imagine he goes anywhere before deadline. He is still our 2nd best LD. Not that you were saying otherwise, just adding my thoughts.

I'm not sure if Dillon is 2LD or Snerg is.

Trading any or all of these guys depends a lot on what is going to happen with Scheif and Helle. The returns on them may determine whether we are buyers or sellers at the TD. Any of these guys may also be added to packages with Scheif and/or Helle if they are traded.

 

[Flair Hay]

I'm not sure if Dillon is 2LD or Snerg is.

Trading any or all of these guys depends a lot on what is going to happen with Scheif and Helle. The returns on them may determine whether we are buyers or sellers at the TD. Any of these guys may also be added to packages with Scheif and/or Helle if they are traded.

At this stage I'd be surprised if anyone is on the move before February.

Samberg did great, but I think people expecting Samberg to full on leap frog Dillon (who had a great year as well) are a year early on that proclamation

 

[10Ducky10]

I think Scheif is re-signed. We aren't sure of our 2C so if we traded the 1C, where wold we be? Perfetti Vilardi Names and Lowry? Might as well rebuild...

I see a banner year for Scheif, if he plays with top caliber wingers all year.
I can't see Chevy moving Dillon before the TD.
If I had a choice between losing Stanley and Chiz, goodbye Chiz.
My first choice to move (before TC) would be Schmidt and then Stanley.
I'd add to Pionk if a 2RHD were coming back.
I think Sammy is 2LHD by the playoffs.
I'd trade Ehlers straight up for Konecny.
I'd make a 3 way trade involving Helle if Gibson were coming back.
I'd also give Helle 6 x 9m (front loaded).
I think he is moved before TC.
I'd give Scheif a very front loaded 7 x 8m deal. (10m 10m 10m 10m 6m 5m 5m).

Perfetti and Ehlers need to stay healthy this year if this team is going to compete for/in the playoffs.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Having been paid half his salary for this year already increases his trade value. An acquiring team still gets his full cap hit but it only costs them 2 mil in actual money.

Trouble is that most competing teams don't care about actual money as much as cap hit...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Trouble is that most competing teams don't care about actual money as much as cap hit...

However attractive as a trade target he might, or might not have been before, he is more attractive now. That goes even for the teams that don't care MUCH about actual money. There are no teams that don't care at all about actual money.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I think Scheif is re-signed. We aren't sure of our 2C so if we traded the 1C, where wold we be? Perfetti Vilardi Names and Lowry? Might as well rebuild...

I see a banner year for Scheif, if he plays with top caliber wingers all year.
I can't see Chevy moving Dillon before the TD.
If I had a choice between losing Stanley and Chiz, goodbye Chiz.
My first choice to move (before TC) would be Schmidt and then Stanley.
I'd add to Pionk if a 2RHD were coming back.
I think Sammy is 2LHD by the playoffs.
I'd trade Ehlers straight up for Konecny.
I'd make a 3 way trade involving Helle if Gibson were coming back.
I'd also give Helle 6 x 9m (front loaded).
I think he is moved before TC.
I'd give Scheif a very front loaded 7 x 8m deal. (10m 10m 10m 10m 6m 5m 5m).

Perfetti and Ehlers need to stay healthy this year if this team is going to compete for/in the playoffs.

I'd really like to see our preseason D lineup as
Jomo-Samberg
Heinola-DeMelo
Chisholm-Pionk
Hopefully Samberg doesn't look like a train wreck on the right side... if he surprises, that solves a lot of problems

Give Barron, Perfetti, Vilardi a TON of draws before TD - see who seizes the moment

Chevy Blockbuster!!!
Trade a package of Helle, Scheif, Dillon to the Flyers for 1st 2024 (better of the picks, top 5 protected), Frost, Cates, Hart, Seeler and a prospect or 2nd rd pick

Philly make the move because it reopens the Couturier/Konecny window and Helle puts them in the playoffs... Jets make the move for two young emerging Cs

Connor-Frost-Vilardi
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Cates-Perfetti
Barron-Lowry-Kupari

Jomo-Demelo
Samberg-Pionk
Chisholm/Heinola-Schmidt
Seeler

Big gamble on talent emerging... but this could be a really nice team - really could cycle these lines... and these are all players that Bowness would love.

 

[Buffdog]

I'd really like to see our preseason D lineup as
Jomo-Samberg
Heinola-DeMelo
Chisholm-Pionk
Hopefully Samberg doesn't look like a train wreck on the right side... if he surprises, that solves a lot of problems

Give Barron, Perfetti, Vilardi a TON of draws before TD - see who seizes the moment

Chevy Blockbuster!!!
Trade a package of Helle, Scheif, Dillon to the Flyers for 1st 2024 (better of the picks, top 5 protected), Frost, Cates, Hart, Seeler and a prospect or 2nd rd pick

Philly make the move because it reopens the Couturier/Konecny window and Helle puts them in the playoffs... Jets make the move for two young emerging Cs

Connor-Frost-Vilardi
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Cates-Perfetti
Barron-Lowry-Kupari

Jomo-Demelo
Samberg-Pionk
Chisholm/Heinola-Schmidt
Seeler

Big gamble on talent emerging... but this could be a really nice team - really could cycle these lines... and these are all players that Bowness would love.

Philly is finally entering a rebuild... they aren't trading a 1st and/or young players for 3 30+ year old players

 

[10Ducky10]

I'd really like to see our preseason D lineup as
Jomo-Samberg
Heinola-DeMelo
Chisholm-Pionk
Hopefully Samberg doesn't look like a train wreck on the right side... if he surprises, that solves a lot of problems

Give Barron, Perfetti, Vilardi a TON of draws before TD - see who seizes the moment

Chevy Blockbuster!!!
Trade a package of Helle, Scheif, Dillon to the Flyers for 1st 2024 (better of the picks, top 5 protected), Frost, Cates, Hart, Seeler and a prospect or 2nd rd pick

Philly make the move because it reopens the Couturier/Konecny window and Helle puts them in the playoffs... Jets make the move for two young emerging Cs

Connor-Frost-Vilardi
Ehlers-Names-Nino
Iafallo-Cates-Perfetti
Barron-Lowry-Kupari

Jomo-Demelo
Samberg-Pionk
Chisholm/Heinola-Schmidt
Seeler

Big gamble on talent emerging... but this could be a really nice team - really could cycle these lines... and these are all players that Bowness would love.

That team doesn't make the playoffs.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Philly is finally entering a rebuild... they aren't trading a 1st and/or young players for 3 30+ year old players

Realistically how do you see them rebuilding? They have 2 years of Konecny and Atkinson, six years of Sanheim and Couturier, 3-4 years of Laughton, Risto and Kayes dead cap...

They tried to trade guys for a rebuild and it didn't work - this trade would put them in the playoffs imo... Philly's rebuild is going to hit Buffalo Sabres territory...

That team doesn't make the playoffs.

To be fair, this team with Scheif, Names, Lowry, Kupari down the middle doesn't make the playoffs either.

 

[tbcwpg]

Realistically how do you see them rebuilding? They have 2 years of Konecny and Atkinson, six years of Sanheim and Couturier, 3-4 years of Laughton, Risto and Kayes dead cap...

They tried to trade guys for a rebuild and it didn't work - this trade would put them in the playoffs imo... Philly's rebuild is going to hit Buffalo Sabres territory...


To be fair, this team with Scheif, Names, Lowry, Kupari down the middle doesn't make the playoffs either.

That's the thing with rebuilds. They're generally a slow descent into mediocrity, rather than a sudden move. Sometimes you're hamstrung by deals and you just have to ride them out.

I think saying Team X is a playoff team without considering the other teams around them, is not doing the comparison correctly. I have my suspicions that Philly team is top 8 in the East given their division (its not top 3 over NYR/NJ/CAR) and then they'd be fighting for a WC spot, not to mention potential extensions they'd need.

 

[Howard Chuck]

That is a sunk cost. The only thing that should matter would be the return.

That said, you are probably correct.

What does this say about retooling our D? Looks like no change, at least until the TD if we are out of the PO race.

JoMo - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Dillon - Schmidt
Stanley
Copacabana

Chisholm lost to waivers?

Oh how I wish we could get rid of Pionk, Schmidt and Stanley. Would love to see Heinola, Chisholm and/or Copa get a good chance to step up this year.

 

[trebendan]

Trade Scheifele to the Caps for Kusznetsov plus one of Orio or Chesley plus a 1st round draft pick.

 

[Whileee]

Trade Scheifele to the Caps for Kusznetsov plus one of Orio or Chesley plus a 1st round draft pick.

Kuznetsov has a no-trade clause.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

That's the thing with rebuilds. They're generally a slow descent into mediocrity, rather than a sudden move. Sometimes you're hamstrung by deals and you just have to ride them out.

I think saying Team X is a playoff team without considering the other teams around them, is not doing the comparison correctly. I have my suspicions that Philly team is top 8 in the East given their division (its not top 3 over NYR/NJ/CAR) and then they'd be fighting for a WC spot, not to mention potential extensions they'd need.

I was definitely considering the other teams. As I said, if Couturier, Atkinson and Farabee healthy and Scheif is their 2C - with Helle in net and Dillon replacing Staal, they are a playoff team...

 

[tbcwpg]

I was definitely considering the other teams. As I said, if Couturier, Atkinson and Farabee healthy and Scheif is their 2C - with Helle in net and Dillon replacing Staal, they are a playoff team...

Fair enough, I disagree, but we'll likely never know. I think the Flyers are willing to be patient with a new GM.

 

[GJF]

I was catching up the last 3 pages but there isn't much Scheifele talk here, guys. Just a heads up