Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

A lot was made about how he started the season with very few assists which is unlike 55 and I think the conclusion was his line mates were remarkably bad at converting chances.

I'm pretty sure if he produced an expected amount of assists he'd have been taking for his best season yet, it was an anomaly.

As for his defensive effort, I can't make a case for him there. Both he and Connor were atrocious all year.
yeah his assist totals id say were on his line-mates more than him. this was around halfway through the year iirc (he had 9 assists on game 38)

he spent most of that time playing with non-finishers like appleton, perfetti, kuhlman. he was setting up players with prime chances but no finish.

i do wonder if he can hit 40+ again. this was his first year above 200 SOGs (makes sense playing with aforementioned linemates - higher propensity to shoot himself), and hit his highest SH%. he's always been a high-SH% player, but usually on a bit lower volume. but given the scoring increase this year, that might factor in a bit.

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yeah his assist totals id say were on his line-mates more than him. this was around halfway through the year iirc (he had 9 assists on game 38)

he spent most of that time playing with non-finishers like appleton, perfetti, kuhlman. he was setting up players with prime chances but no finish.

i do wonder if he can hit 40+ again. this was his first year above 200 SOGs (makes sense playing with aforementioned linemates - higher propensity to shoot himself), and hit his highest SH%. he's always been a high-SH% player, but usually on a bit lower volume. but given the scoring increase this year, that might factor in a bit.

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Well the way you describe it he must have been absolutely fantastic this year all by himself. His low goal total was due his linemates and his high goal total was done all on his own. No one passed to him or made plays to make him 40 goal guy.
 
Well the way you describe it he must have been absolutely fantastic this year all by himself. His low goal total was due his linemates and his high goal total was done all on his own. No one passed to him or made plays to make him 40 goal guy.
What? The post I was responding to was directly related to assist totals.

The last 3 years he's produced at 54 assist (over 82 gp) level. This year was 50% of that, or 28 assists less, while registering high amount of quality setups. I'd say that's on his linemates not being able to finish, as well as pp woes in the second half.

He underperformed way more in assists, than overperforned in goals. Playing with the likes of Appleton, Perfetti, Kuhlman and Connor scoring at his usual rate I think definitely hindered that.

I did wonder if he could hit 40 again for sure I think he had more shots because it was a bit more on him given who he was playing with.
 
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What? The post I was responding to was directly related to assist totals.

The last 3 years he's produced at 54 assist (over 82 gp) level. This year was 50% of that, or 28 assists less, while registering high amount of quality setups. I'd say that's on his linemates not being able to finish, as well as pp woes in the second half.

He underperformed way more in assists, than overperforned in goals. Playing with the likes of Appleton, Perfetti, Kuhlman and Connor scoring at his usual rate I think definitely hindered that.

I did wonder if he could hit 40 again for sure I think he had more shots and it was a bit more on him, given who he was playing with.
He hit 40 because people set up him not just because he decided to shoot more. The people he played with did a great job setting him up.

His assists were down I think primarily because the PP was dreadful all year and it cost him assists mores than who he played with.
 
He hit 40 because people set up him not just because he decided to shoot more. The people he played with did a great job setting him up.

His assists were down I think primarily because the PP was dreadful all year and it cost him assists mores than who he played with.
His even strength assists were 16 this year. Over 50% less of his average the last 3 seasons. I'd say there's bigger onus on his linemates as he still rated well in setting guys up.
 
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His even strength assists were 16 this year. Over 50% less of his average the last 3 seasons. I'd say there's bigger onus on his linemates as he still rated well in setting guys up.
I don't disagree, it played a big part of it, but then you have to give those same line mates some credit for him reaching a career high in goals. That's really my point. You can't blame the line mates for the career low in assists but not give them credit for the career high in goals.
 
I don't disagree, it played a big part of it, but then you have to give those same line mates some credit for him reaching a career high in goals. That's really my point. You can't blame the line mates for the career low in assists but not give them credit for the career high in goals.
OK sure. Kuhlman, Appleton, Perfetti, Wheeler are the reasons scheifele hit 42 goals. Like I said was trying to focus on assists given the OP I was quoting but no problem giving those guys credit.
 
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I don't disagree, it played a big part of it, but then you have to give those same line mates some credit for him reaching a career high in goals. That's really my point. You can't blame the line mates for the career low in assists but not give them credit for the career high in goals.

His 5 on 5 scoring took a nose dive after Perfetti's injury. Scored 6 goals and 4 assists in 25 games for a 1.55 p/60.

I think it's safe to say that some combinations brought out the best in all players on a line. Scheifele benefited a lot playing with a pure playmaker who read the game like he did in Perfetti and another playmaker he has chemistry with in Wheeler. His role most of the year was to be the trigger man on his line and he did a great job of it.
 
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Sounds like Bones called him out on the Vegas go ahead goal - this may already have been posted . . .
Be interesting to see the reaction tomorrow


Not the first time he's done it this year either.

Hopefully the player responds
 
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yeah his assist totals id say were on his line-mates more than him. this was around halfway through the year iirc (he had 9 assists on game 38)

he spent most of that time playing with non-finishers like appleton, perfetti, kuhlman. he was setting up players with prime chances but no finish.

i do wonder if he can hit 40+ again. this was his first year above 200 SOGs (makes sense playing with aforementioned linemates - higher propensity to shoot himself), and hit his highest SH%. he's always been a high-SH% player, but usually on a bit lower volume. but given the scoring increase this year, that might factor in a bit.

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Only player we know that has eye flaps... uhm blinkers built into his visor
 
I think one truth that has come to light over this season is that if Mark Scheifele is not playing his best the Jets are not competitive.

As a fan who has been along for the ride for 12 years now, it's become more evident to me that players are not machines...they don't always operate the way they should. This season we've seen rough patches out of just about every player, except Josh Morrissey, some more prolonged than others. That's the very nature of hockey, it's ebb and flow. Playoffs require another level of competing.

Vegas will be a tough test for Scheifele because they possess the kind of defense that can lean on him a lot, wear him down, so he's going to need that extra desire to score. If Brossoit gets the net, I think Scheifele might be able to pick him apart...But this team needs Mark Scheifele's goals. Take his stats out of the lineup and it's a lottery team.

The negative goal differential the past couple of seasons is concerning. Moving him into a more hybrid centre position hopefully pays dividends. Mark Scheifele's prime years may be numbered, and he's going to have to learn to adapt other skills to remain competitive in the league. Converting to the wing may help him career wise.

Maybe the most surprising stat to me is how few assists he has for how many grade A scoring chances he has set up. That would be a ratio of conversion I'd be interested to know. His passing game is underrated.

I missed this post and like it.

I think with Mark it was a bit easier sledding for him to look great when he was playing with a prime Blake Wheeler who was dominant in his day. Mark was more than complimentary back then but he wasn’t the main driver on his line. I have often wondered, did an entire fan base (me included) get mesmerized by two really good playoff series in the 2017-18 when it comes to evaluating Mark?

I look at Mark now and on his good nights he is still fun to watch, he is highly skilled offensively, and more of player that will eat you alive if you make mistakes. I wouldn’t call him dominant on good nights. I don’t think he is ideally suited to being ”the man” on his line nor do I think he is suited for playing centre for power on power match ups vs the top 10 lines in the NHL. His defensive game is not good enough and allot of that is driven by his lack of passion for that part of the game. I am not singling him out by any means. There is a line up of NHL players starting at the NHL of high end skilled forwards who have no interest in defending. Guys like 20 something Ovi, Kovy, P Kane, Draisait, McDavid, the list goes on………the line up is out the door and around the block.

Against Vegas Mark has to be patient, not force it, keep his shifts short, keep his pace up, and he has to not cheat the game trying to force points. He needs to work hard for his chances but mostly he needs to fully engage and buy in to the plan. This series should continue to go back and forth and one path for us to get beat is if Mark over does it and Vegas counter attacks off his mistakes.

I like him more on the wing in this series. Let PLD be the physical centre that can take on the defensive responsibilities.

Mark is off to a bit of a slow start but we will need him to average a PPG as things go along because if he isn’t bringing offense we are in trouble because we know he usually struggles to defend and we need him to at least fight to a draw.

To be clear I am glad Mark is currently on the team, glad we have him in this playoff series, we need him to make an impact, my issues are are heavily weighted to what we do with him in the future. For now we are in a dog fight against f*** Vegas and I am all aboard. Heres to finding a way to win today!! As long and Mark shows up and competes his ass off today that is all I want and expect!!

GJG
 
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Interested to hear what his injury is if they do disclose it. Feel like if it was a broken bone, he would've known right away and gotten off.

Seems like last few Off seasons for scheifele were shaping up to be more interesting than the previous.... This one's no different
 
Might have just seen Scheifeles last game in a Jets uniform and it ends like that..
 
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Interested to hear what his injury is if they do disclose it. Feel like if it was a broken bone, he would've known right away and gotten off.

Seems like last few Off seasons for scheifele were shaping up to be more interesting than the previous.... This one's no different
I'm going with separated shoulder
 
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I'm going with separated shoulder
That's my guess too. I've had more than my share of those, and after the initial pain subsides it seems to be fine at rest until you try to put some force into it, then it feels noticeably off. It looks like he figured it out when he came back on for one more shift and tried to shoot.
 
That's my guess too. I've had more than my share of those, and after the initial pain subsides it seems to be fine at rest until you try to put some force into it, then it feels noticeably off. It looks like he figured it out when he came back on for one more shift and tried to shoot.
I believe it's his right shoulder too which he had surgery on a few years ago. All i know is i have to have surgery on my shoulder this fall and the only thing that helps with the constant pain to do the easiest tasks is cortisone injections . Thankfully those injections help alot.
 
I think had scheifele had any major damage to his shoulder is would be in a sling right now but he is without one
 
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I think had scheifele had any major damage to his shoulder is would be in a sling right now but he is without one
Good point. I have been at work all day and I assume there has not been a media scrum update today on him, Ehlers, or Perfetti?
 

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