Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[surixon]

Does anyone know if there's any video or audio of Mark's post Orlesky interview media availability?

Its on TSN.

 

[Jet]

this is an off-season interview, at a golf event that was conducted, promoted and uploaded to the internet by the Jets organization. they are not going to have anyone coming off morose, or anything that shows members of the org. in an unfavorable manner. it's a puff piece.

Or, as usual, fans took something that was said and spun it up into a crisis.

I believe Mark. He's always seemed like a pretty honest guy and his take on it fits a lot more with what we know to be true about him.

I know it's more fun to look at the bad side around here and think the worst, though.

At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. If mark comes into this season and we see a return to his play and effort to 17-18 levels, I guess we will know the truth.

 

[LowLefty]

Or, as usual, fans took something that was said and spun it up into a crisis.

I believe Mark. He's always seemed like a pretty honest guy and his take on it fits a lot more with what we know to be true about him.

I know it's more fun to look at the bad side around here and think the worst, though.

At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. If mark comes into this season and we see a return to his play and effort to 17-18 levels, I guess we will know the truth.

I don't believe the fans spun anything -
Based on his remarks at end of season (as quoted in the TSN article), there was good reason to be concerned from a fan standpoint.

“I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any,” Scheifele said after the Jets final game, which he missed due to an upper-body injury. “I have to think about my career and what’s going to be best for me."

"Those are going to be … talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.”

These comments may not warrant a crisis but they certainly would leave many to believe that he is not happy and is looking at his options. Any fan on the planet is going to assume there are serious issues that Mark is dealing with that could impact his tenure in Wpg.

 

[kanadalainen]

I'll admit I went into that Scheif interview ready to hate on him and looking for bad attitude. Maybe he's just a really good actor, but I kind of doubt many hockey players are and I haven't seen much evidence of it in him before.

If I was a betting person, I'd suggest that Scheifele is *not* a good actor. He would likely make a poor politician/liar methinks. Not a bad thing.

 

[DRW204]

Or, as usual, fans took something that was said and spun it up into a crisis.

I believe Mark. He's always seemed like a pretty honest guy and his take on it fits a lot more with what we know to be true about him.

I know it's more fun to look at the bad side around here and think the worst, though.

At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. If mark comes into this season and we see a return to his play and effort to 17-18 levels, I guess we will know the truth.

I'm not sure how anything was spun. A player under a 2*6m contract said he needed to question his future, talk to his family and agents etc about what he really wants for his career, and if there's changes made here.... Ummm how about playing better in all ends of the ice first off? He's great offensively but the defensive effort has been inconsistent to bad since 17-18. Hb change that and we'd be a better team?

I don't know what is true or false about him. And unless you have spent significant time with him, neither do you.

So in a team produced interview, done at a golf course by their newest and a popular employee I wouldn't expect anything other than positive or upbeat vibes. It's a puff piece. What will be more telling, which I mentioned in a later post, is his play, and I'll add his attitude, throughout the year. He can say all he wants in the offseason but when the season rolls along is he going to play better? That's what matters.

 

[scelaton]

I don't believe the fans spun anything -
Based on his remarks at end of season (as quoted in the TSN article), there was good reason to be concerned from a fan standpoint.

“I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any,” Scheifele said after the Jets final game, which he missed due to an upper-body injury. “I have to think about my career and what’s going to be best for me."

"Those are going to be … talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.”

These comments may not warrant a crisis but they certainly would leave many to believe that he is not happy and is looking at his options. Any fan on the planet is going to assume there are serious issues that Mark is dealing with that could impact his tenure in Wpg.

In fact, the bolded is exactly how many fans felt at the end of last season. For those of us who have been with the Jets 2.0 from the beginning--like Scheifele--there were good reasons to question the management and direction of the team, from captain to coaching and right on up. Scheifele now has damage control responsibilities and has had a summer to recover his equilibrium.

Fans, however, are still asking for accountability after the misery of last season, on and off the ice. Not sure how that makes us spinners of crises or thinkers of the worst.

 

[kanadalainen]

I don't believe the fans spun anything -
Based on his remarks at end of season (as quoted in the TSN article), there was good reason to be concerned from a fan standpoint.

“I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any,” Scheifele said after the Jets final game, which he missed due to an upper-body injury. “I have to think about my career and what’s going to be best for me."

"Those are going to be … talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.”

These comments may not warrant a crisis but they certainly would leave many to believe that he is not happy and is looking at his options. Any fan on the planet is going to assume there are serious issues that Mark is dealing with that could impact his tenure in Wpg.

He's an emotional bloke.

While the sphere of his world remains intact sometimes one can observe stress fractures generated by loads exceeding design specs.

 

[surixon]

I don't believe the fans spun anything -
Based on his remarks at end of season (as quoted in the TSN article), there was good reason to be concerned from a fan standpoint.

“I just have to know where this team is going and what the direction is and what the changes are going to be, if any,” Scheifele said after the Jets final game, which he missed due to an upper-body injury. “I have to think about my career and what’s going to be best for me."

"Those are going to be … talks with my agents and everyone in my family and stuff like that and figure out what I really want. So, it will be a tough talk tomorrow.”

These comments may not warrant a crisis but they certainly would leave many to believe that he is not happy and is looking at his options. Any fan on the planet is going to assume there are serious issues that Mark is dealing with that could impact his tenure in Wpg.

Agreed, he also didn't really back off that aspect. He said he had a good conversation with Chevy about the direction of the team. He also said the other players were brutally honest on their exit meetings as well. So yes I believe as he said and as we witnessed there was a lot of frustration and unhappiness in the room at the end of the year.

It seems those conversations were fruitful and we seem to have a much more upbeat and positive attitude Scheifele heading into the season which should be seen as a positive development.

 

[hockeyarena]

the funny thing about all this is that the team is the exact same from last year just different coaches. actually he lost his best friends....you'd think that'd make it worse, yet suddenly everything is sunshine and rainbows when the only change was coaching. these guys must have HATED the coaches.

 

[SLAYER]

Not as wild as someone under contract for two years saying he will have to think about his future at age 29 haha

I don't think there's anything strange about that at all. It was a disappointing seasons for the entire team, and most players want to know the direction the team is headed. Why would Mark want to look at his future and decide to stay a Jet after his contract if the team isn't going to compete? The kid wants to win.

 

[surixon]

I don't think there's anything strange about that at all. It was a disappointing seasons for the entire team, and most players want to know the direction the team is headed. Why would Mark want to look at his future and decide to stay a Jet after his contract if the team isn't going to compete? The kid wants to win.

Yup, it allows for both management and the players to know where each other stand and to help everyone get on the same page. That is job number one for the org this offseason and it seems that there has been a lot of fence mending and getting everyone bought back in. Ultimately we will see if this indeed happened on the ice but I'm optimistic.

 

[DRW204]

the funny thing about all this is that the team is the exact same from last year just different coaches. actually he lost his best friends....you'd think that'd make it worse, yet suddenly everything is sunshine and rainbows when the only change was coaching. these guys must have HATED the coaches.

Who knows how much he hated the coaches. But that is only the truly big change as you alluded to. If scheifele desperately wants to win he could've started by playing a better & more concerted effort toward a 200 ft game. Have to wonder how these coaches got by with lack of success through their tenure and then a star player possibly hating them. If all of a sudden scheifele shows remnant of 2016-2018, and it was all bc of a change in coach, then yikes

 

[surixon]

Who knows how much he hated the coaches. But that is only the truly big change as you alluded to. If scheifele desperately wants to win he could've started by playing a better & more concerted effort toward a 200 ft game. Have to wonder how these coaches got by with lack of success through their tenure and then a star player possibly hating them. If all of a sudden scheifele shows remnant of 2016-2018, and it was all bc of a change in coach, then yikes

I think Moe survived as long as he did due to Wheeler and Chipman myself. Chipman with his loyalty mantra likely wanted him to stay on.

To me it seemed there was a disconnect between him and Chevy going on a couple of seasons now. It also seemed Mark tuned him out after he got benched a year or so ago.

 

[hockeyarena]

I think Moe survived as long as he did due to Wheeler and Chipman myself. Chipman with his loyalty mantra likely wanted him to stay on.

To me it seemed there was a disconnect between him and Chevy going on a couple of seasons now. It also seemed Mark tuned him out after he got benched a year or so ago.

agree, chevy seemed very fed up with Mo in that press conference this winter. Think chevy wanted him gone earlier.

 

[Weezeric]

Who knows how much he hated the coaches. But that is only the truly big change as you alluded to. If scheifele desperately wants to win he could've started by playing a better & more concerted effort toward a 200 ft game. Have to wonder how these coaches got by with lack of success through their tenure and then a star player possibly hating them. If all of a sudden scheifele shows remnant of 2016-2018, and it was all bc of a change in coach, then yikes

Or maybe Scheifele saw everything that HFboards saw. The dzone systems were horrible. Maurice wanted to neuter the offence to help with the defence, which ended up being a horrible plan.

I think Bowness said something interesting during his presser. The gist was that it’s hard to analyze video at times, because you’re not sure if what the players are doing is a mistake, or if they’re doing what their system dictates and it doesn’t work.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I think Moe survived as long as he did due to Wheeler and Chipman myself. Chipman with his loyalty mantra likely wanted him to stay on.

To me it seemed there was a disconnect between him and Chevy going on a couple of seasons now. It also seemed Mark tuned him out after he got benched a year or so ago.

So, for over a year he half-asses it on the ice in the hopes that it will get the coach that benched him fired? If true, that's not a good look on any player, let alone a part of the leadership core. Will Bowness have to walk on eggshells or risk the wrath of 55 himself?

Nobody should be rewarded for bad behaviour. Maybe the karmic wheel will run over ScheifMe this season.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I think it's safe to say that the majority of the team got tired of Maurices BS. They saw through it, and had enough cuz it wasn't just Mark despite what ppl think. I think the majority of these guys wanted accountability and never got it. It's amusing tho how ppl prob would crap on that eventho most ppl wanted Maurice gone a couple seasons earlier. If we could all see it, the players all saw it too. How dare 55 want to win.

 

[DRW204]

Or maybe Scheifele saw everything that HFboards saw. The dzone systems were horrible. Maurice wanted to neuter the offence to help with the defence, which ended up being a horrible plan.

I think Bowness said something interesting during his presser. The gist was that it’s hard to analyze video at times, because you’re not sure if what the players are doing is a mistake, or if they’re doing what their system dictates and it doesn’t work.

There's players on this team that have performed fine in the same system. Carolina apparently had a similar system to Maurice when it relates to defense. But effort has never been a question for their players.

And bc the system or coach sucks that means you can not show up? For an nhl vet of 650+ games making 6m+ effort is one of the last things I'd question, Esp since the guy is a leader and face of the team.

Furthermore, if the system/coach sucks, causing a premier player at a premier position to not give AF about defense, as well as their lackluster team success then imo this org fumbled the bag by keeping them so long.

Edit : restructured post.

 

[ERYX]

Another Mark S. interview with TSN, looks like it's at the golf tournament he was talking about in the interview with Sara Orlesky:

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Nothing really new, but again, he seems legitimately upbeat. I do wonder what all the changes were that he discussed. Seems that just new coaching staff wouldn't be everything planned, yet he still seems pretty happy and excited. Maybe the coaching staff was really that bad? I don't know.

 

[surixon]

So, for over a year he half-asses it on the ice in the hopes that it will get the coach that benched him fired? If true, that's not a good look on any player, let alone a part of the leadership core. Will Bowness have to walk on eggshells or risk the wrath of 55 himself?

Nobody should be rewarded for bad behaviour. Maybe the karmic wheel will run over ScheifMe this season.

I understand that point and am also annoyed at how Mark handled things. But on the flip side as a coach you have to establish your standards on day one and be consistient in applying them. So Maurice after years of not teaching and not holding a player accountable finally does well that is going to piss people off. Because in their view they were doing the right thing on the ice because the behavior was rewarded for x number of years.

 

[robertocarlos]

If I was a betting person, I'd suggest that Scheifele is *not* a good actor. He would likely make a poor politician/liar methinks. Not a bad thing.

WTH? He's a pretty good actor. His performance from the backseat convinced me to go with MPIC for all my auto related insurance needs. He's not a stiff like Wayne.

 

[surixon]

There's players on this team that have performed fine in the same system. Carolina apparently had a similar system to Maurice when it relates to defense. But effort has never been a question for their players.

And bc the system or coach sucks that means you can not show up? For an nhl vet of 650+ games making 6m+ effort is one of the last things I'd question, Esp since the guy is a leader and face of the team.

Furthermore, if the system/coach sucks, causing a premier player at a premier position to not give AF about defense, as well as their lackluster team success then imo this org fumbled the bag by keeping them so long.

Edit : restructured post.

Are you sure about Carolina. I didn't study them this past year in detail but I recall them being a pretty big overload befensive system team the years prior. Perhaps they switched things up this past year.

There is also a difference in psyche when you continue to use something that is clearly not working for a group vs. a different group moving to something new and having success with it. I don't blame players for loosing faith in our systems when they have seen the crappy results of said system for three to four straight years. It seems many of the players are welcoming a change in ideas and coaching.

 

[Cnile]

Who knows how much he hated the coaches. But that is only the truly big change as you alluded to. If scheifele desperately wants to win he could've started by playing a better & more concerted effort toward a 200 ft game. Have to wonder how these coaches got by with lack of success through their tenure and then a star player possibly hating them. If all of a sudden scheifele shows remnant of 2016-2018, and it was all bc of a change in coach, then yikes

My thoughts exactly

 

[DRW204]

Are you sure about Carolina. I didn't study them this past year in detail but I recall them being a pretty big overload befensive system team the years prior. Perhaps they switched things up this past year.

There is also a difference in psyche when you continue to use something that is clearly not working for a group vs. a different group moving to something new and having success with it. I don't blame players for loosing faith in our systems when they have seen the crappy results of said system for three to four straight years. It seems many of the players are welcoming a change in ideas and coaching.

am i sure no, hence why i said apparently. i am going off what a rangers analyst publicized in their series preview. i've also seen it posted on here this season when discussing the man-on-man system. anyway, these are professionals if they are dogging that should have been nipped at the bud. there are players on this team that the Jets rated fine during those 4 years when they were on the ice. and this is purely observational, but who really could say scheifele play with high effort outside of the offensive zone? his on-ice defensive results is commensurate with his effort. 4 years is a long time to run a crap system, with a star player deliberately showing low effort. who is in charge of this?

 

[surixon]

am i sure no, hence why i said apparently. i am going off what a rangers analyst publicized in their series preview. i've also seen it posted on here this season when discussing the man-on-man system. anyway, these are professionals if they are dogging that should have been nipped at the bud. there are players on this team that the Jets rated fine during those 4 years when they were on the ice. and this is purely observational, but who really could say scheifele play with high effort outside of the offensive zone? his on-ice defensive results is commensurate with his effort. 4 years is a long time to run a crap system, with a star player deliberately showing low effort. who is in charge of this?

I don't disagree that Mark hasn't given a shit in his end for years. I blame his metrics more so on effort then systems. A guy like Conner's metrics are more prone to him making errors then effort so I'm more inclined to blame coaching for him as to me it it doesn't seem to me he has been well coached on what to do in his end, both with and without the puck.

I simply think Maurice stopped bothering to coach some players and it hurt their games as well as his lack of holding certain players accountable created attitude, effort and entitlement issues.

Bowness was talking about stuff like this and the amount of work it is going to take to make sure everyone is on the same page.