Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[Heldig]

So what team needs more scoring from the Center position at a point a game.

Ya u guessed it……we won’t be disappointed with the return.

What team are you alluding to?

 

[None]

What team are you alluding to?

All of them.

 

[Ducky10]

I think his problem with it started the moment all the kids off entry level contracts started signing those mega deals for 8 to 10 million or bridge deals around what his AAV is.

If that’s the case, he’s an idiot. That inevitably happens to most players. Salaries rise over time, News at 11.

 

[surixon]

Eichel is a way better player on the way up and being dealt in season meant VGK had to move money out immediately. Only advantage with Schiefele is he's cheap enough to slot into the 2nd line or maybe even 3rd line on a contending team. If we're lucky we get about Laine-Dubois type deal with two guys who want out exchanged. If we don't find a match like that we'll get volume over quality and have to hope some of those pieces turn out, essentially a deal like the Eichel one without a player like Tuch.

Mark Scheifele's contract is significantly more attractive. Mark also wasn't holding out with a significant injury for a year to get a
A surgery many teams weren't comfortable with. So there was that risk factor that depressed Jack's value.

Sure Jack is on the way up but I don't see him as currently better. Their point totals the three prior years are:

Jack 178 in 166 games where Mark had 220 in 209 games. So pretty darn near equal production.

If you don't like the Eichel deal the Duchene one returned a top prospect, a 1st a second and a third plus some other prospects.

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If that’s the case, he’s an idiot. That inevitably happens to most players. Salaries rise over time, News at 11.

Oh I agree he is. He signed for fair market value at the time. He could have handled the kids making more like Mack and Barkov. Both just put their heads down and busted their asses. Barkov just signed a massive deal that aligns with him being an elite player. Mackinnon will do likewise this summer. Had Mark kept playing like he did prior to 2020 he also gets a massive one. Now I wouldn't entertain giving him another big deal.

 

[BigZ65]

Mark Scheifele's contract is significantly more attractive. Mark also wasn't holding out with a significant injury for a year to get a
A surgery many teams weren't comfortable with. So there was that risk factor that depressed Jack's value.

Sure Jack is on the way up but I don't see him as currently better. Their point totals the three prior years are:

Jack 178 in 166 games where Mark had 220 in 209 games. So pretty darn near equal production.

If you don't like the Eichel deal the Duchene one returned a top prospect, a 1st a second and a third plus some other prospects.

Out of both Duchene trades there's 1 NHL player (Girard), 1 solid prospect (Thomson) and most of the Euros are already back in Europe. That's kind of what I mean. Volume, but nothing top line/top pair. We got lucky with Laine that Dubois was asking out too and it aligned.

 

[surixon]

Out of both Duchene trades there's 1 NHL player (Girard), 1 solid prospect (Thomson) and most of the Euros are already back in Europe. That's kind of what I mean. Volume, but nothing top line/top pair. We got lucky with Laine that Dubois was asking out too and it aligned.

There are two NHl players and both are good. You are forgetting the pick that got Byram was included in the deal.

 

[BigZ65]

There are two NHl players and both are good. You are forgetting the pick that got Byram was included in the deal.

Right. Doubt we get anything not top 10 or lottery protected. Avs snuck under the wire with that one before the NHL teams realized they could do that too like NBA teams have been forever.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

It's just a weak sauce excuse to go somewhere "better" out of greed just to eventually realize the grass isnt always greener.

My hope for ScheifMe's career...

 

[hockeyarena]

Any of these names make sense as part of a deal?:
Mark stone
Boeser
Barzal
Dylan strome
Konecny
Kempe
Lafreniere
Mercer
Tomasino
Norris
Kent Johnson
Larkin
Cozens

 

[Heldig]

Any of these names make sense as part of a deal?:
Mark stone
Boeser
Barzal
Dylan strome
Konecny
Kempe
Lafreniere
Mercer
Tomasino
Norris
Kent Johnson
Larkin
Cozens

Mark stone - too much $$$
Boeser - not good enough
Barzal - islanders do not consider it
Dylan strome - not without their 1st and they dont own it
Konecny - very good start
Kempe - LA wants to ADD to the roster
Lafreniere - would need to have another prime piece
Mercer - but he is part of my Hellebucyk trade
Tomasino - not dealing Scheifme to the preds
Norris - Ottawa says no
Kent Johnson - Laine says no
Larkin - Detroit would not be interested.
Cozens - not the direction I see buffalo going in

 

[TS Quint]

He wants to know what direction this team is going.....clearly everyone though Chevy was doing his best to improve this team, so that's not it. I like the rift in the room theory.

Maybe all the players don't like the coaches. When Maurice left Copp made mentioning hoping EVERYONE would be held accountable. There was a night in post game where Lowry's were in direct contradiction of each other where Sr. said the team knows what to do, when they win that's how they're supposed to play. Jr. then came out and said the team wasn't sure what it was supposed to be doing at times.

Maybe Scheifele does agree that coaching has been poor and maybe that is what direction he is asking about. They really didn't pick a direction after Maurice left. Who thought Lowry was going to on out and be a legit NHL coach? I mean I'm sure we all hoped but I was going to be shocked. In my opinion Jets management froze when Maurice quit. In what was supposed to be a win now year in Scheifele' s prime they froze and by choosing Lowry was not picking a direction. The Jets didn't make a decision instead saddled this team with a lame duck coach and threw the towel in on the season.

I'd love to really know what is going on behind the scenes here because something stinks with this team.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Tomasino - not dealing Scheifme to the preds

Really? My hope is to have him traded within the division so we can take the most advantage of his defensive weaknesses throughout the season.

 

[JetsFan815]

One of the most bizarre post-season interviews I have seen from a player. I have never seen a guy who is under contract for 2 more seasons talk basically as if he were a Free Agent this summer.

 

[Heldig]

Really? My hope is to have him traded within the division so we can take the most advantage of his defensive weaknesses throughout the season.

ScheifME would destroy our D.

 

[SCP Guy]

Sorry Mark…. Your slotted in at #2 C next year no matter what you want, we are getting max value out of that contract as it’s a great value, then will trade you for max return when you have 1 year left before you walk out the door.

 

[10Ducky10]

Sorry Mark…. Your slotted in at #2 C next year no matter what you want, we are getting max value out of that contract as it’s a great value, then will trade you for max return when you have 1 year left before you walk out the door.

Definitely the way to go.

 

[Mud Turtle]

Thats what I got as well. Seems to be all about him, my game, my prime etc.

He and his one dimensional lazy ass game is one of the reasons this thing has been what it has been. I know its heresy so take it for what its worth but I heard rumblings that he's been pissed about the fact he signed for so little for a while and started getting pissy once the other kids started making more then him. His attitude on the ice and him morphing the game to only care about putting up points shows that he is the furthest thing from a leader as possible.

I no longer care about Chevy trying to get him to buy in. He clearly isn't interested in doing what's best for this team. Punt him out of town. It's a shame it came to this but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I’ve long suspected this as well. He signed a team friendly contract but quickly noticed others making more than him. That’s sort of where things started going sour.
Couple that with a painful breakup and likely some frustration with coaching and you get the Mark Scheifele we see today.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I’ve long suspected this as well. He signed a team friendly contract but quickly noticed others making more than him. That’s sort of where things started going sour.
Couple that with a painful breakup and likely some frustration with coaching and you get the Mark Scheifele we see today.

This proves he is not a team player, as if his actions on ice were not enough and that this team has to move on from him. This could also be why Chevy was extended perhaps Chipman only trusts Chevy with making the Scheif trade?
It will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[Zippity]

One of the most bizarre post-season interviews I have seen from a player. I have never seen a guy who is under contract for 2 more seasons talk basically as if he were a Free Agent this summer.

Cause he knows he will be traded/dumped.

 

[DRW204]

I’ve long suspected this as well. He signed a team friendly contract but quickly noticed others making more than him. That’s sort of where things started going sour.
Couple that with a painful breakup and likely some frustration with coaching and you get the Mark Scheifele we see today.

Yup. I brought this up forconsideration as well earlier this year. Obviously this is just armchair psychologist and we have no way of knowing fully.

He was commonly found on most underpaid, or "best contract" lists (best contract for the TEAM). I'm sure seeing your name on these type of underpaid lists have you feeling some sort of way. Enough to dog it on the ice though?

Scheifele signed at a time where he was paid similarly to other young Cs such as Barkov, Mackinnon and Monahan. The first two were also typically found on those lists, but still played at a high level, superior to scheifele, for a long while.

 

[WpgSteve]

Mark's comments could be read as frustration with coaching. Some of that is definitely on Mark for having a bad attitude, but at the same time some of it is on Lowry. I don't think he ever articulated a coherent game plan.

Could be that Mark can be brought back into line by a coach with a clear vision. This is likely wishful thinking though.

 

[FonRiesen]

Mark's comments could be read as frustration with coaching. Some of that is definitely on Mark for having a bad attitude, but at the same time some of it is on Lowry. I don't think he ever articulated a coherent game plan.

Could be that Mark can be brought back into line by a coach with a clear vision. This is likely wishful thinking though.

Yeah, I think that coaching is at least one element of this... I don't know how many coaches could help Schief - he still has to decide to listen. It would have to be someone with a clear vision who can stick to his guns.

Lowsy Sr is not that coach, at least, and there will be more than one disgruntled player if he stays.

I Sure hope we see some housecleaning, but with Chevy's extension, it's not a good sign...

 

[Scheifele55]

Trade Scheifele to Ottawa for Sanderson, 1st =D

 

[Jetsfan79]

I seem to recall back when Kessel was on his way out of Toronto, (I think it was him) he seemed to change his tune when there was all that pomp and circumstance of bringing in Babcock. Said something like being "all in" for a new direction under Babcock. Now he ended up leaving anyway.

Point I'm making is if the Jets hire a new coach who strongly preaches change, and a clear vision for the team, perhaps Schiefele stays or gives it a year to see where it goes and tries to be part of the solution. Not saying this will happen but I think its a possibility. I think the coach hire will factor in strongly on how loud Scheifele will be on potentially wanting out.

 

[UFO]

To me it sounds like he wants out. He's gone.