Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

[None]

Seems fairly likely there is some beef between Mark & the team/some other players. Mark basically said without saying he might demand a trade.

Well there needs to be a heck of a clearing of the air with Mark and he either gets on board or needs to be traded.

If that's the takeaway from his comments (and others) then presumably that's Scheifele basically saying "it's me or them," right?

It’s shame it had to end like this. I’m assuming it’s over. Something has festered here for a while, it seems. And perhaps in typical TNSE/Chevy fashion whatever it is was let go on too long. Something is definitely rotten here and well beyond it’s best before date. This is ugly.

The way you've framed it reminds me of the Evander Kane trade. Just simmering until it gets to a rolling boil and it's spilling over and making everything a toxic mess. I wonder if we can start calling it a trend if Scheifele ends up traded?

 

[PhilJets]

Hopefully this team and management group get its act together.


12 years.

I only see
KC
Ehlers
Morrissey


Who are mostly happy.
Draft and develope...
Fuel by passion....

2019 playoff, Scheifele was dead silent already during the interview after the lost to the blues.
Something was off from (wasn't right) that time to now for this team as a whole....

 

[Hunter368]

If that's the takeaway from his comments (and others) then presumably that's Scheifele basically saying "it's me or them," right?



The way you've framed it reminds me of the Evander Kane trade. Just simmering until it gets to a rolling boil and it's spilling over and making everything a toxic mess. I wonder if we can start calling it a trend if Scheifele ends up traded?

Basically he said if he doesn’t like where this team is going/saying/doing then he’s going to ask for a trade if he hasn’t already done it privately

 

[objectiveposter]

I honestly don't see much of a difference between what PLD said about being here in the future and what Scheifele said. Both said they want to see where and what the organization is going to do before they decide.

PLD worked his ass off this year so he gets a little more benefit of the doubt...not to mention he is a RFA this summer. Scheif on the other hand has been coasting for 3 years... killed the jets stanley cup hopes last year with the stupid suspension and played some of the laziest hockey I have ever seen this year. Yet he had the nerve to basically say he has never been better.

 

[Guerzy]

The big difference from the other leaders on this team (Dubois, Connor, Morrissey) is they talk in part of being part of the solution.

Mark speaks nothing like that. It’s as though he thinks the organization owes him something… or else.

Mark, we all want more, but we’ll only ever get it if you pull your head directly out of your ass and be apart of the solution rather than one of the teams problems.

This guys head seems so far in the sand.

 

[None]

Basically he said if he doesn’t like where this team is going/saying/doing then he’s going to ask for a trade if he hasn’t already done it privately

Oh yeah, I've listened and read his comments plenty. Your take on it is just different than others that I've read, I was wondering if that's what you meant when you said that you perceived there to be beef between Scheifele and others. That Scheifele's direction comments were kind of saying to management that they needed to pick the direction, ie. core group including Scheifele or core group involving those he has beef with.

 

[cbcwpg]

Scheifele,, who has a "A" on his sweater , is not for one second asking what he can do to make his play better which would make the team better , but what will the management team give me so I achieve my goals of being the best I can be. Nothing about the team succeeding.

I agree that players need to look out for themselves because they only get one career, but Scheifele actually likes where he is at and believes there is nothing wrong with his game and it sounds like the team is somehow holding him back.

I can link to an interview Scheifele gave in 2017 where all he talked about was his point production and how he wanted to produce like the stars of the game and how his parents always keeping clippings out of the paper as to where he was in the points race. He didn't once talk about the team goal about winning the Cup in this interview.

Listen to the stars of the game like McKinnon and McDavid and Matthews.... As far as they are concerned they have done nothing if the team can't win the ultimate prize.

 

[Ducky10]

This organization really needs to get its head out of its ass. They are so concerned with their carefully cultivated public image of being a classy, loyal club, that it prevents them from making hard decisions. Sometimes the right decisions are unpopular ones, but you still make them.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The plot thickens

 

[PhilJets]

We need to look at this years before, Mark is a quiet person by nature. He was all for the team specially early part of his career.

Mark set the tone for this org with 1 of the best contract an org cna have. True 1C.

He could have gone Trouba and Copp way and not sign that deal. But he did. It set the tone for the Ehlers Morrissey etc.

To say Mark is selfish , because of what he said , we need to look deeper here. Its clearly he is frustrated.

What went wrong here?

So many valuable players in the last 3 years got frustrated.

For Mark
Salary
Captaincy
Team not being a winner
Friends being gone and moved on.

What is it?


He has been in this org since day 1 .
This was a build up of frustration.


As per points production he is still 1 point per game player so, that might be the least of his concern with ice time.

 

[Heldig]

Lots of "I" in those comments and no "We" , etc.

One man who only cares about himself.

We we all see a major problem with the team now. It IS Scheifele. Selfish, whiny *****. And we can expect lots of lowball offers now on the main board for a locker room cancer.

 

[surixon]

Basically he said if he doesn’t like where this team is going/saying/doing then he’s going to ask for a trade if he hasn’t already done it privately

Thats what I got as well. Seems to be all about him, my game, my prime etc.

He and his one dimensional lazy ass game is one of the reasons this thing has been what it has been. I know its heresy so take it for what its worth but I heard rumblings that he's been pissed about the fact he signed for so little for a while and started getting pissy once the other kids started making more then him. His attitude on the ice and him morphing the game to only care about putting up points shows that he is the furthest thing from a leader as possible.

I no longer care about Chevy trying to get him to buy in. He clearly isn't interested in doing what's best for this team. Punt him out of town. It's a shame it came to this but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[ThinIce61]

We we all see a major problem with the team now. It IS Scheifele. Selfish, whiny *****. And we can expect lots of lowball offers now on the main board for a locker room cancer.

Already started. Someone had the balls to throw out the name of Charlie Coyle.

 

[None]

Thats what I got as well. Seems to be all about him, my game, my prime etc.

He and his one dimensional lazy ass game is one of the reasons this thing has been what it has been. I know its heresy so take it for what its worth but I heard rumblings that he's been pissed about the fact he signed for so little for a while and started getting pissy once the other kids started making more then him. His attitude on the ice and him morphing the game to only care about putting up points shows that he is the furthest thing from a leader as possible.

I no longer care about Chevy trying to get him to buy in. He clearly isn't interested in doing what's best for this team. Punt him out of town. It's a shame it came to this but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I loathe to bring it up but it's looking more and more like the crackpot Finnish tabloid writer had a decent read on the Jets.

 

[surixon]

We need to look at this years before, Mark is a quiet person by nature. He was all for the team specially early part of his career.

Mark set the tone for this org with 1 of the best contract an org cna have. True 1C.

He could have gone Trouba and Copp way and not sign that deal. But he did. It set the tone for the Ehlers Morrissey etc.

To say Mark is selfish , because of what he said , we need to look deeper here. Its clearly he is frustrated.

What went wrong here?

So many valuable players in the last 3 years got frustrated.

For Mark
Salary
Captaincy
Team not being a winner
Friends being gone and moved on.

What is it?


He has been in this org since day 1 .
This was a build up of frustration.


As per points production he is still 1 point per game player so, that might be the least of his concern with ice time.

He had gotten everything he's wanted here. All the minutes he's wanted, top pp time, a role on our leadership team.

Outside of his contract which was market value at the time what has he not gotten here. This team has bent over backwards to spoon feed him minutes despite his overall game being lacking.

I personally don't see what this org could have done differently at least in terms of deployment and marketing.

 

[BigZ65]

What a cringy presser.

I think we'll be shocked at how low the return will be. And we're kind of limited by cap space as to what it will be. Teams hoard good guys on ELC's in this era, I'm not sure they'll hand them over for a guy who is proving to be a very inefficient player. It would be a salvage mission for a contending team to hope he rekindles the flame with a new franchise.

 

[surixon]

What a cringy presser.

I think we'll be shocked at how low the return will be. And we're kind of limited by cap space as to what it will be. Teams hoard good guys on ELC's in this era, I'm not sure they'll hand them over for a guy who is proving to be a very inefficient player. It would be a salvage mission for a contending team to hope he rekindles the flame with a new franchise.

It will be something akin to the Eichel deal. The situation was worse there and Jack returned a good top 6 player, top prospect and a first and second.

 

[Ducky10]

Thats what I got as well. Seems to be all about him, my game, my prime etc.

He and his one dimensional lazy ass game is one of the reasons this thing has been what it has been. I know its heresy so take it for what its worth but I heard rumblings that he's been pissed about the fact he signed for so little for a while and started getting pissy once the other kids started making more then him. His attitude on the ice and him morphing the game to only care about putting up points shows that he is the furthest thing from a leader as possible.

I no longer care about Chevy trying to get him to buy in. He clearly isn't interested in doing what's best for this team. Punt him out of town. It's a shame it came to this but don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I mean seriously, if he has an issue with his contract he should be blaming his agent, not the Jets. Nobody put a gun to his head to sign it and presumably it was vetted by said agent.

 

[Finnflash]

So what team needs more scoring from the Center position at a point a game.

Ya u guessed it……we won’t be disappointed with the return.

 

[10Ducky10]

I think what he meant by the "direction the team is headed" is who are they playing as the 1C next season?
PLD or Scheif?

 

[surixon]

I mean seriously, if he has an issue with his contract he should be blaming his agent, not the Jets. Nobody put a gun to his head to sign it and presumably it was vetted by said agent.

I think his problem with it started the moment all the kids off entry level contracts started signing those mega deals for 8 to 10 million or bridge deals around what his AAV is.

 

[hockeyarena]

I think what he meant by the "direction the team is headed" is who are they playing as the 1C next season?
PLD or Scheif?

It's just a weak sauce excuse to go somewhere "better" out of greed just to eventually realize the grass isnt always greener. Like Kane and Laine and Buff and copp and roslovic before him.

 

[BigZ65]

It will be something akin to the Eichel deal. The situation was worse there and Jack returned a good top 6 player, top prospect and a first and second.

Eichel is a way better player on the way up and being dealt in season meant VGK had to move money out immediately. Only advantage with Schiefele is he's cheap enough to slot into the 2nd line or maybe even 3rd line on a contending team. If we're lucky we get about Laine-Dubois type deal with two guys who want out exchanged. If we don't find a match like that we'll get volume over quality and have to hope some of those pieces turn out, essentially a deal like the Eichel one without a player like Tuch.

 

[Heldig]

He had gotten everything he's wanted here. All the minutes he's wanted, top pp time, a role on our leadership team.

Outside of his contract which was market value at the time what has he not gotten here. This team has bent over backwards to spoon feed him minutes despite his overall game being lacking.

I personally don't see what this org could have done differently at least in terms of deployment and marketing.

My sense of Scheifele is that he is bitter about other, younger players getting more accolades than him (and more $). Laine, obviously. Kyle Connor. But also he has watched McDavid and Matthews and McKinnon and Draisatl become league superstars. Barkov, Aho. Heck Nick Suzuki signed a deal for $7.875 per season after a .75 ppg season and great playoff run.

 

[cbcwpg]

I mean seriously, if he has an issue with his contract he should be blaming his agent, not the Jets. Nobody put a gun to his head to sign it and presumably it was vetted by said agent.

I don't get how any player can be upset when younger players get signed for more money... that's exactly how it works in a business where the cap either stays the same or goes up every year... the newer players get more dollars at the end ( note: the % of cap a player gets may be the same or even lower, but the actual dollar amount can be higher )