Player Discussion: Mark S Discussion

Mark's comments could be read as frustration with coaching. Some of that is definitely on Mark for having a bad attitude, but at the same time some of it is on Lowry. I don't think he ever articulated a coherent game plan.

Could be that Mark can be brought back into line by a coach with a clear vision. This is likely wishful thinking though.
Mark Scheifele thinks his game is in a good place, he said so himself, He doesn't think he needs to play a 200ft game and hes going to have issues with any coach who tells him otherwise.

Paul Maurice let this guy's head get too big and now the Jets don't really have another option besides moving him, they can't risk him doing the same shit with the next coach.
 
Maybe he’s not well and needs help. He lost his junior coach Hawerchuck and breaking up with his fiancé Dara plus losing his friends to trades such as Trouba and Copp. Then there was the Jake Evans fiasco in which Toxic fans actually threatened his family. Then this year with Maurice resigning and him catching Covid, missing the Olympics and injuries all factored into his play. I could be wrong about all of this but it sounds like a person on the verge of a breakdown. He’ll be hard to replace especially a ppg player like him and I’m afraid what we’ll get in return will be not much at all
 
Maybe he’s not well and needs help. He lost his junior coach Hawerchuck and breaking up with his fiancé Dara plus losing his friends to trades such as Trouba and Copp. Then there was the Jake Evans fiasco in which Toxic fans actually threatened his family. Then this year with Maurice resigning and him catching Covid, missing the Olympics and injuries all factored into his play. I could be wrong about all of this but it sounds like a person on the verge of a breakdown. He’ll be hard to replace especially a ppg player like him and I’m afraid what we’ll get in return will be not much at all
I dont agree at all, he sounded like a guy who thinks he is more important to the team than he is, who wants a greater say in how he is used and the decisions that the team makes. He didn't sound like a person in distress, he sounded like a guy who already made up his mind about where he sees his future.
 
Maybe I'm misreading a bit but is anyone seeing a big phisophical disagreement between Stastny and Coach Lowry?

Paul praised coaches who call out their players and mentioned accountability. Said sometimes you get embarrassed but you get over it and in the end, positives come out of it. He cited Boudreau by name. Lowry seemed to fundamentally disagree with that (Paraphrasing) " we do it differently here" ( in terms of not calling out players in the media). I wonder if Lowry meant he thinks the Boudreaus and Trotzes of the world are just plain wrong or if he thinks our players just wouldn't respond well to those tactics?

If a player like Stastny is at odds with our Coaching mentality , to me that's just as alarming as what Schiefele said . If Stastny represents the right attitude and Schiefele the wrong attitude, AND both are at odds with our coaching culture , that signals allot of red flags in my view and is most concerning
 
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Maybe he’s not well and needs help. He lost his junior coach Hawerchuck and breaking up with his fiancé Dara plus losing his friends to trades such as Trouba and Copp. Then there was the Jake Evans fiasco in which Toxic fans actually threatened his family. Then this year with Maurice resigning and him catching Covid, missing the Olympics and injuries all factored into his play. I could be wrong about all of this but it sounds like a person on the verge of a breakdown. He’ll be hard to replace especially a ppg player like him and I’m afraid what we’ll get in return will be not much at all
I suppose with a laundry list of issues like that - the franchise has to decide; do we put in the effort to sort him out or do we simply ship out our golden boy? He is the anointed one after all.

I don't want distractions in the room but if the man is hurting like you say perhaps the club needs to pursue helping a member of the family.

That said his comments reek of individualism which goes nowhere in a team environment.

This is not a simple matter of "guy wants out". I predict that TNSE doubles down on their guy and for good reason - his mental state needs a reset and the club will do anything it can to help the man - even if it hurts the team in the short term. That's the way they roll after all
 


Lots of "I" in those comments and no "We" , etc.

One man who only cares about himself.

This is actually very sad, there is no i in TEAM Mark just to let you know. I like Scheifele but i actually don't want our young players like Perfetti to watch his defensive game. Unfortunately it sounds like we need to trade Scheifele.
 
Two weeks ago Kyle Connor said “Yeah, I mean, whether we’re in or out of the playoffs, six games, whatever it is we have left, I don’t think it’s too soon to start building culture, having that right attitude in the group” and Mark Scheifeme says what he did today.. maybe a lot of this makes sense now…

See ya, 55. Your attitude stinks, it has for a while now, and your effort towards your defensive game is as garbage as I’ve seen from a top line forward. You just don’t give a shit, yet you want to see what direction the team is going? We are where we are today at season end in part because of… you.

It’s shame it had to end like this. I’m assuming it’s over. Something has festered here for a while, it seems. And perhaps in typical TNSE/Chevy fashion whatever it is was let go on too long. Something is definitely rotten here and well beyond it’s best before date. This is ugly.

Great to see you posting my friend. Chasing young kids is a blast but it takes away time and space as a poster :laugh:.

Yea I think the growing voices of the next gen leaders and this interview from Mark where he seems to be signaling he wants out, or at least that‘s how I read it, brings the room disconnect issues full circle. Not sure where it went south for Mark but it was before this season got going IMO. Too bad it came to this but this is what happens when you spoil your kids.

Hopefully Chipman learned a valuable lesson about the persills of taking his loyalty too far in a hockey operation. Mark has to adapt as the owner of this club, its not a popularity contest. Bring in a bad cop if you can’t stomach it.
 
This whole situation just reeks.

I agree with what has been said about him not being right with the "young guys" getting paid top dollars and essentially outpacing him in that department. Funny enough, though, he has nobody to blame but himself for signing that mega deal. He wanted to lock in the guaranteed money, which was more than fair value at the time, and could be argued the Jets were taking more risk in the proposed deal at the time. Laine, from what I can tell, was the finishing blow after he got paid and Mark was left with the "outdated contract." Based on what we know and see now, I think that just never sat right with him.

I've been saying for years that while the Jets might have won the deal and got Scheifele on quite the sweetheart transaction as it would play out -- that it must be understood Scheifele is in line for one more big deal in his career. It just now is clear that won't be in Winnipeg. Instead of pulling his head out of his ass and putting emphasis on the details he praises himself for focusing on (ie defensive game, etc) he decided to moan, sulk and cry ultimately to forcing his inevitable end here in Winnipeg.

It's sad because this is not what I envisioned in any capacity for the trajectory of his career. Especially not after that 17-18 playoff run where he looked ready to take the next step to be one of the elite in the game. It almost feels silly seeing these comments that myself and others included were so ready to see him get the C stitched on his chest years ago. Boy, how things change.

Clearly this has been brewing for years but I am not surprised with these comments by Scheifele. It's really the cherry on top for this situation. Instead of handling this internally, he's trying to take the old playbook out of painting the Jets in a corner, hurting their leverage within the league in some capacity trade wise, to ultimately get what he wants -- a new start.

I can't help but think about the old saying that you need to "talk the talk and walk the walk." For years, I heard Scheifele call himself a hockey nerd and say he obsessed over the details to make himself better. Funny thing he is that was all lip service these past few seasons. Contrast that with a player like Nathan MacKinnon. A guy who is criminally underpaid, shuts his mouth, goes to the rink every day and has his team poised to go on a Cup run with the hope of achieving the ultimate goal for Colorado. He knows he is slated for a massive payday and that his time will come. Most importantly, his play on the ice obsessing over the fine details to be one of the best dictates what is thought about him around the league -- not his soundbites to the media.

I guess we will see if you can "talk the talk and walk the walk" somewhere else.

Good riddance, Mark.
 
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I think Scheifele is as good as gone and I feel it’s best for both parties.
I don’t think his attitude has anything to do with his contract at all.
I feel after the WCF season he stopped believing in this organization and it’s direction under management and coaching I really do.
Not much different than many of us here.
Mark is a special player and I think the frustration of being on an also ran club got to him big time.
This organization seems very timid in changing its direction even when it’s clear the current message and methods don’t work.
 
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What gets me about all this is....

No one has to even talk to Scheifele today or any day. It's technically "exit interview day" , but so what?

Let's say Scheifele shows up at Chevy's office for the season ending exit interview and Chevy says " Sorry, I'm busy, come back later when you grow up " , what's Scheifele going to do? Other than whine more to his friends, family, and agent.

Scheifele owes this team two more seasons no matter how much he needs to see the team direction before continuing on. He's under contract and has no footing to stand on. Demand a trade. Go ahead. Other players before him have demanded trades for all teams and they were traded after their teams made sure they got what they wanted in return. What's he going to do? Sit at home and not report to camp next season?

My only concern is that he might show up next season and decide to play even worse defense then he has been, he will decide to play the way he wants, and just ignore whomever our coach ends up being. Which will obviously cause an issue.

This is a player that really needs to be traded to Arizona.
 
My only concern is that he might show up next season and decide to play even worse defense then he has been, he will decide to play the way he wants, and just ignore whomever our coach ends up being. Which will obviously cause an issue.
Understated and completely true - > another slow motion, indefinitely prolonged acting out is precisely what he will do if he is retained and not traded outright. The net effect is a huge imbalance to drag down the *entire* team, even with his points.

Never thought I would say it but please trade Shuffles, his 70 - 90 points are literally not worth it.
 
Dude is a complete nerd. Get rid of him. Ehlers and PLD dislike him anyways. Not to mention the fact that his agent keeps pushing him to another city (“You’d get more endorsements if you played in a bigger market”)
 
This whole situation just reeks.

I agree with what has been said about him not being right with the "young guys" getting paid top dollars and essentially outpacing him in that department. Funny enough, though, he has nobody to blame but himself for signing that mega deal. He wanted to lock in the guaranteed money, which was more than fair value at the time, and could be argued the Jets were taking more risk in the proposed deal at the time. Laine, from what I can tell, was the finishing blow after he got paid and Mark was left with the "outdated contract." Based on what we know and see now, I think that just never sat right with him.

I've been saying for years that while the Jets might have won the deal and got Scheifele on quite the sweetheart transaction as it would play out -- that it must be understood Scheifele is in line for one more big deal in his career. It just now is clear that won't be in Winnipeg. Instead of pulling his head out of his ass and putting emphasis on the details he praises himself for focusing on (ie defensive game, etc) he decided to moan, sulk and cry ultimately to forcing his inevitable end here in Winnipeg.

It's sad because this is not what I envisioned in any capacity for the trajectory of his career. Especially not after that 17-18 playoff run where he looked ready to take the next step to be one of the elite in the game. It almost feels silly seeing these comments that myself and others included were so ready to see him get the C stitched on his chest years ago. Boy, how things change.

Clearly this has been brewing for years but I am not surprised with these comments by Scheifele. It's really the cherry on top for this situation. Instead of handling this internally, he's trying to take the old playbook out of painting the Jets in a corner, hurting their leverage within the league in some capacity trade wise, to ultimately get what he wants -- a new start.

I can't help but think about the old saying that you need to "talk the talk and walk the walk." For years, I heard Scheifele call himself a hockey nerd and say he obsessed over the details to make himself better. Funny thing he is that was all lip service these past few seasons. Contrast that with a player like Nathan MacKinnon. A guy who is criminally underpaid, shuts his mouth, goes to the rink every day and has his team poised to go on a Cup run with the hope of achieving the ultimate goal for Colorado. He knows he is slated for a massive payday and that his time will come. Most importantly, his play on the ice obsessing over the fine details to be one of the best dictates what is thought about him around the league -- not his soundbites to the media.

I guess we will see if you can "talk the talk and walk the walk" somewhere else.

Good riddance, Mark.
Nice to see you posting again.
 
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I can't really articulate my thoughts on this one so I'm just going to ramble. I wanted Scheifele to be our MVP and lead us to a cup. His play, and perhaps even his words suggest he's done. When he broke out I thought I was watching the future of our team, our first draft pick, and a guy who would retire in our uniform. I don't understand how he can look at clips of himself coasting around and getting beat to loose pucks or losing his man defensively and not think he's dogging it. He's literally incapable of criticizing his own play. You remember how Pavelec reacted when he let that f***ing floater from just inside the red line in? That's Scheifele today. No accountability. We aren't going to get much for a guy two years from UFA, but we can't let him poison the future of this core. Guys like Perfetti look up to him, and we can't have him floating around and sulking over who the hell knows what. Hellebyuck is probably gone too. Can't convince a goalie in his prime to hold on a few more years before contending. By then he may not be the same goalie anyways. f*** this team is frustrating to be a fan of, so much potential wasted.
 
I can't really articulate my thoughts on this one so I'm just going to ramble. I wanted Scheifele to be our MVP and lead us to a cup. His play, and perhaps even his words suggest he's done. When he broke out I thought I was watching the future of our team, our first draft pick, and a guy who would retire in our uniform. I don't understand how he can look at clips of himself coasting around and getting beat to loose pucks or losing his man defensively and not think he's dogging it. He's literally incapable of criticizing his own play. You remember how Pavelec reacted when he let that f***ing floater from just inside the red line in? That's Scheifele today. No accountability. We aren't going to get much for a guy two years from UFA, but we can't let him poison the future of this core. Guys like Perfetti look up to him, and we can't have him floating around and sulking over who the hell knows what. Hellebyuck is probably gone too. Can't convince a goalie in his prime to hold on a few more years before contending. By then he may not be the same goalie anyways. f*** this team is frustrating to be a fan of, so much potential wasted.

I think we now know why Cole was played out of position and anchored to Dubois and Conner and not Mark this year.
 
Whoosh.

Haven't been by for a while and today I get a text from a mate in WPG saying "The Jets are imploding Scheifele is gonna force a trade to flee the sinking ship arrrgggghhh!!!!!"

So naturally I swing back to HFJets to check the tea.

And then I read the 55 thread...

And then I see the quotes from Stats and Scheif's interviews...

And then I follow up by actually watching them...

And then I see that Kevy Chevy, who is presumably in charge of hockey ops bar the presence of an actual hockey ops person, and who has therefore overseen this mess and by riding along on the Mo train until the engineer literally jumped off it even while it was still chugging along (kind of) tacitly endorsed said mess, or at least did sod all about it (was noted lockeroom hero Nate S unequal to the task?) including seemingly closing his eyes and pointing to single out Biiiiig Dave Lowry as the interim coach, has just signed off on a three-year extension...

And then I hear that several more Jets have likely asked for trades (Dillon? Harkins? Svetch? Helle? Anyone else -- come on in, the water's fine!), and the org has said sure, happy to, if we can manage it...

And I ask myself, as Actual Functioning Cap'n Pauly Walnuts must surely have, where's the nearest exit?

Seriously, my Jets brethren and sistren, what in the emergent F is happening there in the sinking city? How did we get here? How do we get out?

Arrrgggghhhhhhh!!! is right.
 
I think we now know why Cole was played out of position and anchored to Dubois and Conner and not Mark this year.

Possibly, the alternative was having him play center with 4th line minutes because that was where Paul Maurice liked his newbies to hone their defensive game... in the bottom six with plugs. To be fair, I think it was Lowry who had him up with Dubois and Connor.
 
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Seriously, my Jets brethren and sistren, what in the emergent F is happening there in the sinking city? How did we get here? How do we get out?

Arrrgggghhhhhhh!!! is right.
actually the Jets perfectly mirror the city, only half of us are held accountable.
 
Buffalo.also hasn't missed a beat.

:laugh: Didn't have a beat to miss.
But they were without Eichel the entire year and, for the first time in years, look like they are turning it around in the right direction so .............






Hes talking like hes a ufa


That's it Mark. No statue for you!
 
Possibly, the alternative was having him play center with 4th line minutes because that was where Paul Maurice liked his newbies to hone their defensive game... in the bottom six with plugs. To be fair, I think it was Lowry who had him up with Dubois and Connor.

Lowry did two things I respect, he played the kids in top 6 amd top 4 roles.

He also remembered JoMo as an offensive force on the backend and allowed him more freedom there.
 

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