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ps241 said:
I for one am glad this is coming to a head. Not like this wasn't obvious to anyone who watched our team this season but sometimes things don't get dealt with. I think this is good for TNSE to have to man up.
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Yup, as I have said this should be a real good learning experience for the org. Chipman is going to have to modify is loyalty stance imo. The NHL isn't like the AHL, you need to deal with issues as they arise and not let certain principles get in the way.
 
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Not that I think he will say anything about it but I hope that Chevy sheds some clarity on what's going on with the locker room. Fans have written their own storylines which may or maynot be true, some clarity would be appreciated.
 
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Pongs21 said:
To the bolded, I think if we were going to trade him today sure, but with 16 teams yet to be eliminated, there may be a team that has an early round exit that may be willing to part with the assets we would be looking for.
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That's where Chevy's patience comes in.

For all his warts, Scheifele has been a ppg+ player for 6 straight seasons. In only 1 of those 6 was he at an even 1 ppg. The rest he was over that pace. How many players in the league are in that category? Further - after his D+11 season, 9 full seasons in the NHL and considering that he was the 7th pick - he is 10th in his class in games, 3rd in goals, 4th in assists, 4th in points.

That is a very valuable commodity. There will be a lot of teams bidding. No need to accept the first offer that comes along.
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surixon said:
It will be something akin to the Eichel deal. The situation was worse there and Jack returned a good top 6 player, top prospect and a first and second.
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Or it will be less quantity, more quality - but either way, the value will be there.

Edit: Speaking of the Eichel return, that 1st is sitting in the 16th spot right now. :laugh: Who expected that?
 
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BigZ65 said:
Eichel is a way better player on the way up and being dealt in season meant VGK had to move money out immediately. Only advantage with Schiefele is he's cheap enough to slot into the 2nd line or maybe even 3rd line on a contending team. If we're lucky we get about Laine-Dubois type deal with two guys who want out exchanged. If we don't find a match like that we'll get volume over quality and have to hope some of those pieces turn out, essentially a deal like the Eichel one without a player like Tuch.
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Nope. Big differences - Eichel had an incompletely treated serious injury issue that kept him out for quite a while and could have keep him out for the entire season. He was going for a relatively untried treatment and might never be the same player again. He hasn't been so far. Another big difference is the relative cap hits. And finally, Buffalo had backed themselves into a corner where they had much reduced bargaining power.
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cbcwpg said:
I don't get how any player can be upset when younger players get signed for more money... that's exactly how it works in a business where the cap either stays the same or goes up every year... the newer players get more dollars at the end ( note: the % of cap a player gets may be the same or even lower, but the actual dollar amount can be higher )
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We are talking about an emotional reaction though. It doesn't have to be reasonable. It is the way he feels, reasonable or not.
 
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55 came off like a real douche in the exit interview, but I wouldn't read into it too much. Not sure what led up to it, but you can clearly see that he's rattled in the interview.
 
SCP Guy said:
Sorry Mark…. Your slotted in at #2 C next year no matter what you want, we are getting max value out of that contract as it’s a great value, then will trade you for max return when you have 1 year left before you walk out the door.
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10Ducky10 said:
Definitely the way to go.
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That is A way to go, not THE way to go.

Wait until we get the right offer, then pull the trigger.
 
Heard a caller on the Jim Toth show say that Scheifele cannot be traded as the Jets will be back to square one if they trade him. Went on to say that Scheifele should be the one who decides who the next coach should be...much like Gretzky decided who the coach should be for the Oilers...or in that case, Sather should remain the coach of the Oilers.

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blueandgoldguy said:
Heard a caller on the Jim Toth show say that Scheifele cannot be traded as the Jets will be back to square one if they trade him. Went on to say that Scheifele should be the one who decides who the next coach should be...much like Gretzky decided who the coach should be for the Oilers...or in that case, Sather should remain the coach of the Oilers.

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Did the caller introduce himself as Mark S. or M. Scheifele?
 
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Jets to search for new head coach, interim coach Lowry to get interview ​

That's not enough coaches being changed. Huddy has to go. I mean he really has to go, far, far away.​

I don't mind giving Lowry an interview, as long as it is just a formality to be polite. If they keep Lowry and Huddy, they might just as well trade all of the players because this team is going nowhere.
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10Ducky10 said:
Seeing as his new team could extend him next year. If he is to be traded, next year is the time.
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The sooner the better - but with patience for the right offer.
 
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Mortimer Snerd said:

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Jets to search for new head coach, interim coach Lowry to get interview ​

That's not enough coaches being changed. Huddy has to go. I mean he really has to go, far, far away.​

I don't mind giving Lowry an interview, as long as it is just a formality to be polite. If they keep Lowry and Huddy, they might just as well trade all of the players because this team is going nowhere.
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The sooner the better - but with patience for the right offer.
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huddy and kompon are very much gone as well
 
blueandgoldguy said:
Heard a caller on the Jim Toth show say that Scheifele cannot be traded as the Jets will be back to square one if they trade him. Went on to say that Scheifele should be the one who decides who the next coach should be...much like Gretzky decided who the coach should be for the Oilers...or in that case, Sather should remain the coach of the Oilers.

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Chef's mom or dad must have called into the show :laugh:
 
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Fatdrunk said:
Maybe he’s not well and needs help. He lost his junior coach Hawerchuck and breaking up with his fiancé Dara plus losing his friends to trades such as Trouba and Copp. Then there was the Jake Evans fiasco in which Toxic fans actually threatened his family. Then this year with Maurice resigning and him catching Covid, missing the Olympics and injuries all factored into his play. I could be wrong about all of this but it sounds like a person on the verge of a breakdown. He’ll be hard to replace especially a ppg player like him and I’m afraid what we’ll get in return will be not much at all
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I think you overstate it a bit - but I've had similar thoughts about the accumulated issues he has had. They could certainly explain a lot.

Don't know why you would suspect not much in return though.
 
Jetsfan79 said:
Maybe I'm misreading a bit but is anyone seeing a big phisophical disagreement between Stastny and Coach Lowry?

Paul praised coaches who call out their players and mentioned accountability. Said sometimes you get embarrassed but you get over it and in the end, positives come out of it. He cited Boudreau by name. Lowry seemed to fundamentally disagree with that (Paraphrasing) " we do it differently here" ( in terms of not calling out players in the media). I wonder if Lowry meant he thinks the Boudreaus and Trotzes of the world are just plain wrong or if he thinks our players just wouldn't respond well to those tactics?

If a player like Stastny is at odds with our Coaching mentality , to me that's just as alarming as what Schiefele said . If Stastny represents the right attitude and Schiefele the wrong attitude, AND both are at odds with our coaching culture , that signals allot of red flags in my view and is most concerning
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Only if we stay with the same coaching philosophy.
 
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I think Scheifele is unreachable, he has no self awareness and a new coach isn't fixing this guy. Also I get the fear of not getting good value back in a trade but it might be good to get this virus out of locker room for lots players. Will suck to see Scheifele go to a contender and actually buy into being a two way player and buy into being a 2C. But the Mark Scheifele of 2018 isn't walking through that door for this organization. Don't know how we got from Paul Maurice saying he would have a statue to this current state of things but it is what it is.
 
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