Value of: Marco Rossi +

[Sota Popinski]

Di Marco was on 690 today said Wild Rossi is available. He mentioned Wild interested in Flyers Farabee. What would Wild want from Montreal for Rossi?

So the Wild are in second place in the Western conference and are going to trade their top line C on an entry level contract for what exactly, a more expensive player at a position they don't need and that won't fit under the cap?

 

[L4br3cqu3]

If Montreal would be willing to move Suzuki the Wild would be dumb not to include him in a package.

Rossi, Faber, Yurov and 1st 2025 for Suzuki and Matheson

Suzuki and Matheson combined don't even get you a Faber, nm Rossi and a first too, wow

A ridiculous offer, countered by a ridiculous take.

Both extremes of the Trade Boards spectrum, a couple posts apart, that's something else.

 

[HuGort]

The idea of the Wild trading all of that AND Faber for Suzuki and Matheson is delusional.

Suzuki not going no where. Rossi is small

 

[Barsky]

Suzuki not going no where. Rossi is small

Suzuki is small, Rossi is tiny, lol, but yes, I cannot see Suzuki going anywhere. Faber is a total stud though, you have to admit Hughes couldn't get him straight up for NS, no?

A ridiculous offer, countered by a ridiculous take.

Both extremes of the Trade Boards spectrum, a couple posts apart, that's something else.

Not saying it wouldn't be close, but I don't hold Matheson in very high regard, perhaps unfairly and like it or not Faber is more valuable than Suzuki any day of the week, easily

 

[Barsky]

So the Wild are in second place in the Western conference and are going to trade their top line C on an entry level contract for what exactly, a more expensive player at a position they don't need and that won't fit under the cap?

Ya, that's perplexing. Gotta be Marco's size then and Guerin just not liking that long term??

 

[ThatGuy22]

Ya, that's perplexing. Gotta be Marco's size then and Guerin just not liking that long term??

It's likely nothing beyond the guy regurgitating Russo's soft rumor from the summer that they may not be convinced on him long term once his ELC is up.

There is zero chance he's available as we stand here today.

 

[57special]

Ah, so noted Minnesota Wild expert, Di Marco, has insights on Marco Rossi that the Wild writers like Mike Russo do not?

Sounds more like a guy filling air time.

 

[Barsky]

It's likely nothing beyond the guy regurgitating Russo's soft rumor from the summer that they may not be convinced on him long term once his ELC is up.

There is zero chance he's available as we stand here today.

Well never say never, knowing the game Guerin played I could see him not wanting a kid Rossi's size as his 1C on a big long deal, rightly or wrongly. Come playoff time, when the whistles go away, it could be a struggle. If Ehlers and Necas didn't go, I can't imagine he will either

 

[57special]

Well never say never, knowing the game Guerin played I could see him not wanting a kid Rossi's size as his 1C on a big long deal, rightly or wrongly. Come playoff time, when the whistles go away, it could be a struggle. If Ehlers and Necas didn't go, I can't imagine he will either

The reality is that JEE is the #1C on the team, and that Hynes has chosen to split up his top 6 talent into two lines rather than run Kaprizov-JEE-Boldy like they did last year. Rossi is doing well as a young top 6C. I can't imagine him being traded for anything other than a similar talent, with a similar age, and a team friendly contract like he has.

 

[Barsky]

The reality is that JEE is the #1C on the team, and that Hynes has chosen to split up his top 6 talent into two lines rather than run Kaprizov-JEE-Boldy like they did last year. Rossi is doing well as a young top 6C. I can't imagine him being traded for anything other than a similar talent, with a similar age, and a team friendly contract like he has.

Agreed, cant see anyone coughing up what it would/should take. Rossi's offensive ceiling is sky high, so I think long term he ends up with Kap, cause the 2 of them could make absolute magic

 

[thestonedkoala]

Rossi, Faber, Yurov and 1st 2025 for Suzuki and Matheson

That's probably one of the worst trades I have ever seen on HFBoard. Like it is so terrible that I don't even know how to respond.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Well never say never, knowing the game Guerin played I could see him not wanting a kid Rossi's size as his 1C on a big long deal, rightly or wrongly. Come playoff time, when the whistles go away, it could be a struggle. If Ehlers and Necas didn't go, I can't imagine he will either

Ok, but they still have his rights and can trade him in the off-season. Do you know of any top 6 centers better than Rossi with a cap hit under 3M that would be traded the other way? Because otherwise it makes zero sense for the Wild

 

[Barsky]

Ok, but they still have his rights and can trade him in the off-season. Do you know of any top 6 centers better than Rossi with a cap hit under 3M that would be traded the other way? Because otherwise it makes zero sense for the Wild

The Suter and Parise buyouts reduce dramatically next season, so they'll have piles of cap space. Where did you get 3m from though, I'm missing the significance of that number and Rossi will likely need alot more than that. His ELC is a 864k hit and he's a pending rfa

 

[ThatGuy22]

Well never say never, knowing the game Guerin played I could see him not wanting a kid Rossi's size as his 1C on a big long deal, rightly or wrongly. Come playoff time, when the whistles go away, it could be a struggle. If Ehlers and Necas didn't go, I can't imagine he will either

Long term I suspect they are betting Yuro takes that spot next to Kaprizov. If Rossi needs to shift to wing because they somehow found good C depth after 25 years in the league, great. He can line up across from Boldy or be Zuccerellos replacement.

 

[Sota Popinski]

The Suter and Parise buyouts reduce dramatically next season, so they'll have piles of cap space. Where did you get 3m from though, I'm missing the significance of that number and Rossi will likely need alot more than that. His ELC is a 864k hit and he's a pending rfa

He's on an ELC so 900k plus the 800k or so we are currently under the cap, plus whatever cap space we accrue daily between now and the TDL adds up to maybe 3M at the deadline. I'm talking about this year. We are competing THIS YEAR. Trading our 2C without getting a replacement would be giving up on the season, which would be idiotic considering our current position in the standings.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

The idea of the Wild trading all of that AND Faber for Suzuki and Matheson is delusional.

If for whatever reason that deal was actually offered to Montreal do you think they would actually go through with trading Suzuki? I don’t see it. Screams untouchable to me

 

[AKL]

If for whatever reason that deal was actually offered to Montreal do you think they would actually go through with trading Suzuki?

They would do it and not think twice about it

it massively favors the Canadiens

 

[Barsky]

He's on an ELC so 900k plus the 800k or so we are currently under the cap, plus whatever cap space we accrue daily between now and the TDL adds up to maybe 3M at the deadline. I'm talking about this year. We are competing THIS YEAR. Trading our 2C without getting a replacement would be giving up on the season, which would be idiotic considering our current position in the standings.

Ok, but given the windfall of cap space upcoming, the Wild will be in even better position next year and could maybe upgrade a Rossi/JEE 1/2. What if Rossi could be used to land a Pettersson from Van for example, not remotely suggesting that's likely, but it could along the lines of Guerin's thinking given he's about to hit the cap space jackpot

 

[f7ben]

Ok, but given the windfall of cap space upcoming, the Wild will be in even better position next year and could maybe upgrade a Rossi/JEE 1/2. What if Rossi could be used to land a Pettersson from Van for example, not remotely suggesting that's likely, but it could along the lines of Guerin's thinking given he's about to hit the cap space jackpot

There is no cap space jackpot , or even close to it. It’s basically spent with what we have now. We will have like 5-6M depending on the Rossi contract

 

[Barsky]

There is no cap space jackpot , or even close to it. It’s basically spent with what we have now. We will have like 5-6M depending on the Rossi contract

Given an assumed cap rise of 4 mil, they'll have 20 mil to sign a backup, a bottom pairing and some depth forwards. Lots of room for Rossi and a big fish, or to upgrade one of Rossi/JEE

 

[Wasted Talent]

Given an assumed cap rise of 4 mil, they'll have 20 mil to sign a backup, a bottom pairing and some depth forwards. Lots of room for Rossi and a big fish, or to upgrade one of Rossi/JEE

A decent chunk of that is earmarked for Kaprizov's extension

 

[Barsky]

A decent chunk of that is earmarked for Kaprizov's extension

That's not next season and the cap is still expected to rise a few mil each year, so combine his 9 with a conservative 3 mil cap rise and it will be a non issue

 

[thestonedkoala]

If for whatever reason that deal was actually offered to Montreal do you think they would actually go through with trading Suzuki? I don’t see it. Screams untouchable to me

You can admit you're wrong you know? Suzuki isn't even an elite center. Point wise he's up there with Eriksson-Ek.

Faber alone would get Suzuki and Matheson. Add in a budding young center who gets around the same points as Suzuki, a top 20 NHL prospect and another 1st in a deep draft? Hell I don't think I'd trade all of that for Drai either.

 

[AKL]

That's not next season and the cap is still expected to rise a few mil each year, so combine his 9 with a conservative 3 mil cap rise and it will be a non issue

It's a decent amount of flexibility but it's not "bring in a big fish" money. Unless they do trade Rossi for said big fish, which is pretty unlikely.

Way I see it, if the cap goes up to 92M, they've got about 17M available.

5M goes to Rossi

2.5M goes to Khusnutdinov and Lauko

~4.5M (with bonuses) goes to Yurov, Buium and Ohgren

Leaves them with about 5M to bring in another defenseman and/or upgrade at forward.

This is the same GM that gave Trenin 3.5M last offseason...5M doesn't go that far with him.

 

[Barsky]

It's a decent amount of flexibility but it's not "bring in a big fish" money. Unless they do trade Rossi for said big fish, which is pretty unlikely.

Way I see it, if the cap goes up to 92M, they've got about 17M available.

5M goes to Rossi

2.5M goes to Khusnutdinov and Lauko

~4.5M (with bonuses) goes to Yurov, Buium and Ohgren

Leaves them with about 5M to bring in another defenseman and/or upgrade at forward.

This is the same GM that gave Trenin 3.5M last offseason...5M doesn't go that far with him.

If the cap goes up by 4 mil they'll have 20 mil of space(19.933334 to be exact), it's all on puckpedia, so idk how you get 17