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Miller Time

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When does he "learn" to better manage relationships with skilled players? Draft & develop talent? Build a quality NHL d group? Build quality NHL C group?

Is that for decade two of the GM learning curve :dunno:
 

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IMO last season was big boy hockey division, size won’t be as much of a factor w return to regular division with teams that’s are more speed & skill oriented

I also fully expect Weber back by game 1 of the playoffs

yes we benefited because we played two western teams Winnipeg and Las Vegas. Size and grit matters more. We would be a bad matchup against eastern teams with speed. Lucky to get past Toronto with Tavares out. When we played Tampa it was a real sign our size could not keep up with their speed.

now that we back to North east we need speed.
 

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Why ruin people's day with simple facts...

The maesrto's cheer squa is out in full regalia today, might as well let them enjoy their bliss

Would any of you have been happier if they finished first in the division and got bounced in the first round instead?

And besides overall points mean nothing this year. Some teams got inflated totals playing all the time against weaker teams. The Habs not only made the playoffs but crushed three "better" teams. Deal with it.
 

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You're so stuck on 'normal years'. It wasn't a normal year, deal with it.

You face circumstances and deal with them accordingly. It's a pandemic shortened season with a canadian-only division. You do what you have to do to make it to the playoffs.

In every situation, you work with the circumstances and environment you're dealt. No what ifs.

No shit Sherlock. The point is that we can't use last season as a standard for what comes next. Modifying standards of competition will skew results. You seem dearly attached to our last run, it feels like a simple comment is the same as if I stole your baby.
 

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He seems to do well in trades.

His struggles however are of his own doing by employing his pals instead of truly competent hockey people.

My main criticism on MB is his contract negotiating skills (to be fair there's probably a "Montreal premium" for some players). I don't get people who criticize him on trades. He ends up on top most often than not. He's also not afraid to trade. Some teams just almost never trade: Anaheim, Calgary, etc., even when they suck.

As for drafting, I believe there's a lot more luck than the draft scouts would like to admit (understandably, they make money off of it). Pro scout is one thing, but draft scout? I have major doubts. There's a lot of unknowns. But if we're going to assign blame, it's more on Timmins IMO. But yeah, ultimately the GM is responsible.
 
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When does he "learn" to better manage relationships with skilled players? Draft & develop talent? Build a quality NHL d group? Build quality NHL C group?

Is that for decade two of the GM learning curve :dunno:

Are you worried about Suzuki and Caufield? I don't think that takes another decade to find out. The development issues are in the past and we are on a new chapter. Our new prospects are just only starting to filter through the AHL. Wait for another 2 years and then you can come in and try to use the draft and development card again. The concerns may stay or disappear. You won't have to wait a decade and you will know during his 3 year extension if that is true. 3 years is also tied to good years of Price left. I think it's a good term
 
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If we have time, we can go back and review past comments to those who hate him. You would have been laughed right off the site if you said we would have a cup finals back when and there was a few conversations about that here and there from what I remember. Now, the doubters will say, we got lucky so it don't count. That's comical. The only lucky part was not facing Tampa in the 1st or 2nd round. Remember after we beat the Pens? Same dooms day predictions that we won't even make the playoffs in the Canadian division.

In fairness? Some of those who disliked him in the past has changed their minds a bit and they get credit. Those who hold onto past grudges or stances can live on a island by themselves

Improved prospect pool and improved team on the ice over the last few years. That's not easy to do
MB has made certain positive strides...........but still shows flashes of being in over his head.
Simple things like not replacing Markov, 4-5 years now.....bizarre...can't imagine why the PP has suffered.
That being said, CC and Hoff, and Dvorak just might cure part of that issue...
Some good moves in year 8-9 doesn't erase 7 years of arrogance for me....but he is a polarizing dude...
 
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MB has made certain positive strides...........but still shows flashes of being in over his head.
Simple things like not replacing Markov, 4-5 years now.....bizarre...can't imagine why the PP has suffered.
That being said, CC and Hoff, and Dvorak just might cure part of that issue...
Some good moves in year 8-9 doesn't erase 7 years of arrogance for me....but he is a polarizing dude...

Personally, I'm not overly happy that we let Danault walk for $0.5M and signed Hoffman and Savard. We also spend Weber's cap space and my personal plans for his cap hit was for raises to our youth (Suzuki, KK, Caufield, Romanov, Evans). Now I believe we are tight! Dvorak vs KK on a bridge for 3 years chewed into it as well.

We will see if we trip on our face again or if this direction we have been on is something we are too afraid to trust. I honestly don't hate or love the guy but some will label me a supporter or lover. It's not really the truth and I'm just trying to avoid exaggeration on both sides of the fence. That line in the sand in our fan base is stupid
 
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No shit Sherlock. The point is that we can't use last season as a standard for what comes next. Modifying standards of competition will skew results. You seem dearly attached to our last run, it feels like a simple comment is the same as if I stole your baby.
No, I just feel like people are inconsistent. Sure, the fanbase gets to call Bergevin out for the lack of results. However, have the decency not to come out with excuses when results are provided.

1) They made playoffs
2) They made SCF. It's not a fluke.

In the MLB, wild cards play each other once, so you can say it is a fluke. In the NHL, it's best of 7s. There's no god damn way people claim fluke when they got through 3 best of 7's. At the end of the day, if you win a best of 7, you were the better team. Do so 3 times in a row, don't question it.

You can call him out for lack of results this upcoming season and I won't bat an eye if it's true.
 
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Would any of you have been happier if they finished first in the division and got bounced in the first round instead?

And besides overall points mean nothing this year. Some teams got inflated totals playing all the time against weaker teams. The Habs not only made the playoffs but crushed three "better" teams. Deal with it.

Lol... must be nice to believe these kinds of fantasies, I'll certainly agree to that!
 

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MB has made certain positive strides...........but still shows flashes of being in over his head.
Simple things like not replacing Markov, 4-5 years now.....bizarre...can't imagine why the PP has suffered.
That being said, CC and Hoff, and Dvorak just might cure part of that issue...
Some good moves in year 8-9 doesn't erase 7 years of arrogance for me....but he is a polarizing dude...
The GM of this team will always be polarizing, even if he was replaced with some unknown candidate tomorrow, he’ll never be unanimous in this market.

GMs in any market, rarely are.

There are 31 fanbases on this forum and about 29 of them think their GM should be fired.

At this point, it’s all white noise to me…he’s the GM and as a fan of this team, I want him to succeed way more than I want him shit canned.

He’s done some good work the last 4 years or so and despite me not liking how the Kotkaniemi situation unfolded, he made the best out of a bad situation (that he created for himself mind you) which to me, shows some growth vis-a-vis how he handled Galchenyuk.

It’s the toughest job in the league and I generally think he’s done a good job after some difficult years.

Not sure if these extension rumors are true…but if they are, I’m cool with it.
 

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It gets a little confusing on these boards with all the complaining and blaming that appears to stick to mostly Timmins and Bergevin. While Timmins was the head of scouting his role would have been to find the players management was looking for in order to meet the needs of the team. As assistant GM he may take on the development responsibilites but that has not always been true. I think at least 60 to 70% of development should be on the 18 year old player and there in lies the problem with a draft. . Players can be given all the information they need to develop but they in the end must use it an some do a better job at it than others. Since Bergevin's arrival in 2012 the Canadians have drafted 68 players with the 2012, 2014 and 2015 draft likely our worst.

In 2012 Bozon, Galchenyuk, and Hudon 3 out of 7 players had the best chance an unfortunately for Bozon he developed menningitis and that was it for hockey . While we picked Galchenyuk (trade to Arizona of Domi) the Oilers did take Yakupov first overall and at least our pick has turned into a functional Josh Anderson so definitely not the bust some would want to believe, and as for Hudon he had a decent run with the team.
Our 2013 draft did see McCarron bust but De La Rose (St. Louis Blues), Fucale, Lehkonen, Andrighetto, Reway all had big upside and if not for a heart condition Reway might have been a nice surprise that year. Out of 8 picks most are still playing hockey and Lehkonen has worked out just fine developing into a strong to way player.
Ironically our worst draft is 2014 and yet a gem in Jake Evans was one of the 6 picks we had that year.
2015 Juuslen (2 pucks to the face an concussions) and Vejdemo out of 5 picks made us about 40% correct in picking NHL calibre players
Our 2016 drafts and beyond appear to be our best with Sergachev (turned into Drouin), Mete, Pezzetta 3 out of 6 are still in the NHL or our organization.
2017 Poehling Brook Ikonen who has struggled with injuries, our future goalie Primeau and so roughly for out of 7 showing NHL calibre potential followed by a change in tactics .
In 2017 Bergevin began to attack the draft by collecting additional picks Kotkoniemi (Dvorak and a 3rd) Ylonen, Romanov, and Hillis to name 4 of the 11 picks appear to have excellent potential. and of course in 2019 Caufield Struble Norlinder our top 3 out of 11 draft gets even better. As far as 2020 Guhle, Tuch, Mysak were selected out of 8 picks and the 2021 draft with Mailloux, Kidney, and Kapanen amongst the 9 selections things look good.

So out of 59 picks between 2012 and 2020 the Habs have produced 14 players currently playing regularly and one potential franchise goalie in Primeau. We appear to have at least 10 more potential prospects with another four or five having excellent potential.

Since 2012 when Bergevin cam on board we are now one of 14 teams to play in the cup finals. Teams who have not made it that far are Colorado with Mackinon drafted in 2013, Florida with Barkov and Ekblad, the Oilers with Draisaitl and McDavid, Sabres Eichel and others, the Leafs with Mathews (did I mention the Leafs) etc. While I think there is always room for improvement we have made the playoffs 9 of his 12 years and been to the final once. In the salary cap era this appears to be not bad. In Fact better than at least 17 other teams wo have not been to the cup. We need to keep moving in this direction
 
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Are you worried about Suzuki and Caufield? I don't think that takes another decade to find out. The development issues are in the past and we are on a new chapter. Our new prospects are just only starting to filter through the AHL. Wait for another 2 years and then you can come in and try to use the draft and development card again. The concerns may stay or disappear. You won't have to wait a decade and you will know during his 3 year extension if that is true. 3 years is also tied to good years of Price left. I think it's a good term

It's definitely better than 4 or 5 years!

"Our new prospects" ? So what, the goal posts shift every year so that we can conveniently forget about the most recent failed crop :dunno:

At the 10 year mark, "patience" & "let's see what happens next" don't make for convincing arguments. Especially on the back of yet another player relationship going nuclear & another offseason of downgrading major areas of need & failing to address the lack of top end talent.

He is what he's consistently shown himself to be... a mediocre GM buffered by deep pocket ownership...

And, I hope we get incredibly lucky again at least once in his next 4 years because playoff runs are fun!
 

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That second one is both patently false in terms of his actions and a great insight into his disconnected self-narratives that explain a lot of his issues with some players...

Staal, Drouin, Anderson... he regularly gives some players more tangible support & backing (as does any GM) based on his own assessment of their worth...
to suggest otherwise is silly, to believe your doing otherwise is incompetent
 
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