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Blue Jays Discussion: Manoah gets the Halladay treatment (optioned to rookie-ball to try and fix him)

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Looking at the list of best prospects. Tiedemann will be late to NH. Barriera still in extended spring. Bonilla obviously nowhere near full season ball yet. The only other guys I don't see anywhere are CJ Van Eyk who's coming off TJ. Palmer who had TJ. Irv Carter and Danner. I haven't heard anything about Carter. He made his full season debut late last year I figured he'd be there to start this year. Perhaps he's hurt.
 
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Vlad has been lowkey really, really good at the plate. It's not showing up in the sexy numbers yet but the change in approach is incredible.

Currently sitting at a paltry 189 OPS+ with an OPS over 1. Bust tbh
 
Without looking, I could ask the forum to put together a list of 20 educated guesses of who is tied for 4th on the Jays in fWAR and you would never get it.
 
I’m going to be flying into the island airport, landing mid afternoon and want to take in a game. However I am staying outside of the city and will be taking a train there after the game. Is there a way I’ll be able to ditch my suitcase somewhere during the game and pick it up after. Is there any kind of service like that?
 
phillipmike said:
Without looking, I could ask the forum to put together a list of 20 educated guesses of who is tied for 4th on the Jays in fWAR and you would never get it.
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I would assume that the list is Chapman, Vladdy, Varsho then Kiermaier without looking

Edit: It's easier right now with little value from the bats
 
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phillipmike said:
Without looking, I could ask the forum to put together a list of 20 educated guesses of who is tied for 4th on the Jays in fWAR and you would never get it.
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Even more crazy would be asking people of the forum who the 2nd best and 2nd worst fWAR on the team currently are respectively (among pitchers)
 
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nilan30 said:
I’m going to be flying into the island airport, landing mid afternoon and want to take in a game. However I am staying outside of the city and will be taking a train there after the game. Is there a way I’ll be able to ditch my suitcase somewhere during the game and pick it up after. Is there any kind of service like that?
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Pretty sure there's one at the convention centre which is a 30 second walk from the stadium.
 
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Dang, I just looked up bWAR for the pitchers (which is generally significantly better during the season).

There's no way that anyone on this board could guess our top 3 pitchers lol
 
Bjindaho said:
Dang, I just looked up bWAR for the pitchers (which is generally significantly better during the season).

There's no way that anyone on this board could guess our top 3 pitchers lol
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Gonna guess Romano, Swanson, and Gausman? That feels too easy though for your reaction though lol

1/3. Overthought one, definitely a bit surprised about the other.
 
Morgs said:
Gonna guess Romano, Swanson, and Gausman? That feels too easy though for your reaction though lol

1/3. Overthought one, definitely a bit surprised about the other.
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Correct.

Also, keep in mind that bWAR is similar to a RA/G with a defensive modifier (which is why it works so well in season). fWAR assumes that pitchers who put the ball in play should be giving up runs even if they are pitching to contact, where bWAR cares about the result.

OTOH, fWAR is generally vastly superior for hitters/defense.
 
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I believe that he meant hitters
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I think I misunderstood it, but I looked it up the hitters and it feels right. The top-3 was pretty obvious for anyone paying attention and 4/5 are the only two other batters I'd have guessed were positive. Surprised Cavan is tbh, but he's also apparently rocking a .462 OBP, which I didn't even realize.

Bjindaho said:
Correct.

Also, keep in mind that bWAR is similar to a RA/G with a defensive modifier (which is why it works so well in season). fWAR assumes that pitchers who put the ball in play should be giving up runs even if they are pitching to contact, where bWAR cares about the result.

OTOH, fWAR is generally vastly superior for hitters/defense.
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Yep, I realized the surprising guy was actually pretty obvious because bWAR.
 
Blitzkrug said:
Vlad has been lowkey really, really good at the plate. It's not showing up in the sexy numbers yet but the change in approach is incredible.

Currently sitting at a paltry 189 OPS+ with an OPS over 1. Bust tbh
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Even taking out his absurd xStats, the plate discipline is incredibly nutty. It obviously won't continue at this level but he's barely chasing anything, he's swinging far less (especially on first pitches), and he's punishing pitches on the edges of the plate.
 
Eyedea said:
Even taking out his absurd xStats, the plate discipline is incredibly nutty. It obviously won't continue at this level but he's barely chasing anything, he's swinging far less (especially on first pitches), and he's punishing pitches on the edges of the plate.
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My math might be off, but putting 13% more balls in play last year (the straight difference) would result in 24 more hits at his BABIP which would be a .312/.364/.517 even if every added hit was a single.

Edit: Adjusting to his hit profile, it would be 15 singles, 5 doubles and 4 homers. That would be a .312/.364/.544
 
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Bjindaho said:
Even more crazy would be asking people of the forum who the 2nd best and 2nd worst fWAR on the team currently are respectively (among pitchers)
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I was referring to the entire list (both hitters and pitchers). But it’s equally surprising if I say guess who is 2nd on the Jays in fWAR.
 
phillipmike said:
I was referring to the entire list (both hitters and pitchers). But it’s equally surprising if I say guess who is 2nd on the Jays in fWAR.
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Your 4th overall is the 2nd best pitcher lol

I would NEVER have guessed him.

2nd worst I was actually anticipating when I looked based on my understanding of fWAR.
 
Bjindaho said:
Your 4th overall is the 2nd best pitcher lol

I would NEVER have guessed him.

2nd worst I was actually anticipating when I looked based on my understanding of fWAR.
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Same, I was shocked to see him as the 2nd best Jays pitcher and 4th overall on the entire team.
 
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