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TruGr1t
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Considering the later rounds of the draft for the Canucks, maybe they made their picks with an Ouija Board.
Readimg too much into that granato and harvey clip
I simply see intensity and her telling him to be sure, which i find good. Do your job but be right...
I simply see intensity and her telling him to be sure, which i find good. Do your job but be right...
HairyKneel
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It’s a puff piece like every previous one has been. If anyone thinks these things offer a shred of what’s really going on behind the scenes I have some waterfront property they may be interested in.
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1) Tough to say what that means in context. It does seem like they're debating between the B and C players. They likely have internal ceiling/floor grading schematics, and the overall score probably put the C guy higher than the B guy. With hundreds of scouted players and a list that's likely between 100-150 guys, once players get taken you probably end up with a scenario where your C guy ends up higher than the B guy, so I'm guessing they want to figure out if the C guy's floor is an accurate assessment because he ends up being rated over the B guy.
2) I don't doubt that (on average) NHL scouting groups don't have an optimized system for player evaluations, particularly when it comes to quantifying written reports. We trust scouts like Gradin and Brackett because their judgment is good, but people like Delorme have just been historically atrocious. I said in the other thread I think they're talking about Sawyer Mynio because he probably has the lowest upside of anyone we took...it would be extremely funny if Granato was questioning Delorme's evaluation of the guy. He's teflon. You can't get rid of him, Cammi.
2) I don't doubt that (on average) NHL scouting groups don't have an optimized system for player evaluations, particularly when it comes to quantifying written reports. We trust scouts like Gradin and Brackett because their judgment is good, but people like Delorme have just been historically atrocious. I said in the other thread I think they're talking about Sawyer Mynio because he probably has the lowest upside of anyone we took...it would be extremely funny if Granato was questioning Delorme's evaluation of the guy. He's teflon. You can't get rid of him, Cammi.
I don't disagree with that but aside from it simply being a soundbite, if that comment was for real that comment came in the middle of the 2nd day of the draft. I mean what is Harvey suppose to do at this point? Get the gang back together and carry on further debates or at least confirm we have player B ahead of Player A?
Granato oversees the scouting staff and sat in the scouting meetings. If there were questions or concerns about certain rankings she should have raised it in the meetings with everyone there. Again, maybe it is just a soundbite if not I have some concerns here.
I don't think they are talking about Mynio. I actually think he has a high upside. I won't be surprised if the Canucks went into the draft with ~50-80 names.
And if we are reading more into what has been said, if you listen to Harvey's interviews he switches from "our scouts" when talking about Willander, Brzustewicz, and Mynio to our "US scouts" and "Our scouts over there" when describing Alriksson.
Given Mynio's team's close proximity to Vancouver and playing on a team that went to the Memorial Cup, I would assume that there were many Canucks scouts including upper management that had viewings of Mynio.
I think if we are talking about a particular drafted prospect that Granato might be talking about it would be Mueller since he is 20 years old with perceived limited offensive upside.
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Ouija has to be one of the more misleading words you'll come across here and there.
It could be something as simple as there was a player or two still available that they weren't expecting to be available and were discussing
Things change undoubtedly from the list
Ehh or maybe Perkins. Taking a safe player in the 3rd would be a weird decision so maybe they see Mynio differently; I thought it might've been him because Carolina took this tiny offensive winger afterwards who would probably grade as a B ceiling, but that could just be a Carolina thing.
Mueller I think is producing like a mid-round draft pick at his age, but yeah, the scouting reports don't list any attributes that really pop out.
I have a hard time believing that.. If true that speaks to being unprepared (which again I have a hard time believing this to be the case). The time to prepare for Day 2 and adjust their lists and have further debates is after Day 1 in preparation for Day 2. They always say they go through different scenarios and I hold them to that.
The Canucks didn't have a 2nd round pick. They had 5 picks within 44 picks of each other. Brzustewicz I can see as being a guy they thought would be gone but happily he was available and what you do is you pick him.
But the further down the draft you go there aren't these type of picks. There isn't a guy you ranked in the late first or early 2nd round that is available at #89 or in the 4th round and if that happens, you pick the guy you ranked much higher.
Is it a weird decision to take a "safe player" in the 3rd round? At #89, the Canucks had three picks within the next 18 picks. I do think they see Mynio differently but I do think this is the time to takes some guesses as to whether the next guy on the list might be available with a later pick vs the guy you're thinking will be gone by then.
A player like Jayden Perron should be ranked and well discussed prospect for a team with multiple 3rd and 4th round picks. Again, the Canucks had 5 picks within 44 picks of each other. If Perron was a player they liked the discussion should include whether Mynio would be available at #105.
Anyways, I think even with the Perkins pick I don't think it changes anything. The team is going with the picks of regional scouts at this point and that's the last pick until the 6th round. I would find it odd for Granato to step in here unless there's a particular player that she felt the Canucks to pick or Harvey decided to go off the board at this time?
She should be stepping in if she's heading up amateur scouting...it's her responsibility to ensure the best pick is made.
Pastor Of Muppetz
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Time to rate the GM...or PA/JR.
I've been neutral so far on the new regime, but after one and a half seasons...Two drafts..Two off seasons..We can finally see whats going on.
- Made a bold move in buying out OEL..They were in a fiscal straightjacket, and now have breathing room.
-Rebuilding the D...In two drafts, more than half the Canucks picks allotted have gone to defensemen.
- Acquiring a 25 year old top 4 RHD man via trade..They rarely come up on the trade front..Expensive, but necessary.
- Abbotsford Canucks,...communication and ideology from the parent team to the minor league team is bearing fruit.
- On a negative note, poor communication with the media, which created the botched firing of Bruce Boudreau.
Out of a possible 10 points...I give them a 7.
I've been neutral so far on the new regime, but after one and a half seasons...Two drafts..Two off seasons..We can finally see whats going on.
- Made a bold move in buying out OEL..They were in a fiscal straightjacket, and now have breathing room.
-Rebuilding the D...In two drafts, more than half the Canucks picks allotted have gone to defensemen.
- Acquiring a 25 year old top 4 RHD man via trade..They rarely come up on the trade front..Expensive, but necessary.
- Abbotsford Canucks,...communication and ideology from the parent team to the minor league team is bearing fruit.
- On a negative note, poor communication with the media, which created the botched firing of Bruce Boudreau.
Out of a possible 10 points...I give them a 7.
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Hoglander
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I'd like to see what happens this year, before judging these guys. They had a big mess to clean up from Benning, and not a lot of time to reap the benefits of changes to the development on the farm.
-Does "their" coach show he can get the team playing solid and sustainable 2-way hockey?
-Do we see young players start forcing their way into the lineup?
-Do we see meaningful games late in the season, or is the goose cooked by early December again?
-Can/did they target the right players and build a competent blueline, or did they just spend more cap and assets on misfits?
These are the things I need to know
-Does "their" coach show he can get the team playing solid and sustainable 2-way hockey?
-Do we see young players start forcing their way into the lineup?
-Do we see meaningful games late in the season, or is the goose cooked by early December again?
-Can/did they target the right players and build a competent blueline, or did they just spend more cap and assets on misfits?
These are the things I need to know
strattonius
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Agreed. Can give a grade for this management after this season.
They got their coach, they've had some time, they've changed the defense.
They got their coach, they've had some time, they've changed the defense.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
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I have your gold medal Zippy!
Sometimes you make the right moves and things still get eff'd up. Under the Jethro Bodine regime, we were happy if Jimbo remembered to flush the toilet after using itI'd like to see what happens this year, before judging these guys. They had a big mess to clean up from Benning, and not a lot of time to reap the benefits of changes to the development on the farm.
-Does "their" coach show he can get the team playing solid and sustainable 2-way hockey?
-Do we see young players start forcing their way into the lineup?
-Do we see meaningful games late in the season, or is the goose cooked by early December again?
-Can/did they target the right players and build a competent blueline, or did they just spend more cap and assets on misfits?
These are the things I need to know
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