Management Thread | The Song Remains the Same Edition

[Killer Orcas]

This is the part that is stressful though. This mf went through a full hiring process with the Canucks and was able to convince them that he was the leader who could take them to the promised land. The Canucks have people in-house who were wooed by the intelligence and charm of Jim f***ing Benning, which indicates to me that these people are equally large morons

Trevor Linden hired him, I'm sure others were involved but Linden is the one who made the decision.

"There were moments of clarity for me in speaking with Jim that we just really connected on a hockey level," Linden said. "Our beliefs on how success is built in the National Hockey League were very aligned."

 

[Bubbles]

The team needs to stop doing these BS bridge deals.

We live in a world where Brock Boeser makes more then Ehlers and 500k less than Connor/Tage Thompson.

Buffalo learned from bridging Dahlin and got Thompson and Cozens locked up long term for low 7s

And instead of paying Petey 8.5 for 8 years we are going to pay him 11-12 per. Horvat was our only good value contract and it's not a surprise that it was not a bridge.

It's how you get a MacKinnon at 6.3 and Hughes at 8 , Draisaitl at 8.5. You have to invest in your core players.

That was definitely a staple of the old regime.

It's a relic of the OBC where GMs think that players should "earn" their 3rd contract. This of course punts the problem down the road. Short term thinking of course.

Most NHL teams are of the new thinking though. Signing a young guy through his 21-28 is a safe bet. Signing an 8 year contract to a nearly 30 year old is folly.

 

[aight]

Serious request, can someone ask chatgpt how to manage the canucks? I am fairly confident chatgpt has the potential to be a better GM than JR

If the Vancouver Canucks have no chance of making the playoffs, they should focus on developing their young players and building for the future. This could involve giving more ice time to prospects and evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, as well as potentially making trades to acquire additional draft picks or prospects.

Additionally, the team could use the remainder of the season to experiment with different line combinations and systems, in order to better prepare for next season. The coaching staff could also work on addressing areas of weakness, such as power play and penalty kill units.

It's important to remember that the focus for the rest of the season should not be solely on winning games, but on improving and preparing for the future. The team's management and coaching staff should use this time to make informed decisions about personnel and strategy, to help ensure the long-term success of the franchise.

 

[VanJack]

If the Vancouver Canucks have no chance of making the playoffs, they should focus on developing their young players and building for the future. This could involve giving more ice time to prospects and evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, as well as potentially making trades to acquire additional draft picks or prospects.

Additionally, the team could use the remainder of the season to experiment with different line combinations and systems, in order to better prepare for next season. The coaching staff could also work on addressing areas of weakness, such as power play and penalty kill units.

It's important to remember that the focus for the rest of the season should not be solely on winning games, but on improving and preparing for the future. The team's management and coaching staff should use this time to make informed decisions about personnel and strategy, to help ensure the long-term success of the franchise.

Under 'normal circumstances' this is probably the way a lottery team like the Canucks should be planning out the remaining 29 games in their schedule.

The problem is that other than Podkolzin and maybe Aman, the Canucks really don't have any young players they can elevate. And the ones they do have, are far better off playing more minutes and developing in Abbotsford.

So the coaches can try to 'make informed decisions about personnel and strategy' the rest of the way, but really the only improvement this team is likely to make is to slowly but surely address the 'salary cap hell' they're in. And that probably means a number of guys won't be back--either heading out of town by the TDL or in the off-season.

So sadly for the Cancuks, other than possibly Petterson and Hughes padding their stats, the rest of the season is like a Seinfeld episode......a show about really 'nothing'.

 

[arttk]

Yes they got lucky but "equally unrealistic" is hogwash.

Across all sports it's been proven that building through the draft is a good strategy. Full stop.

There is a difference between building through draft and doing what NJ did.

Every team has draft picks and builds through the draft in some sense. NJ just got insanely lucky by winning the draft lottery 3 times in 6 years.

 

[kanucks25]

There is a difference between building through draft and doing what NJ did.

Every team has draft picks and builds through the draft in some sense. NJ just got insanely lucky by winning the draft lottery 3 times in 6 years.

Sure but rebuilding through accumulating surplus draft picks and then developing is a lot more of a sound and repeatable strategy than "well look at NYR most of their players are from trades or signings".

 

[Tinhorn1]

If the Vancouver Canucks have no chance of making the playoffs, they should focus on developing their young players and building for the future. This could involve giving more ice time to prospects and evaluating their strengths and weaknesses, as well as potentially making trades to acquire additional draft picks or prospects.

Additionally, the team could use the remainder of the season to experiment with different line combinations and systems, in order to better prepare for next season. The coaching staff could also work on addressing areas of weakness, such as power play and penalty kill units.

It's important to remember that the focus for the rest of the season should not be solely on winning games, but on improving and preparing for the future. The team's management and coaching staff should use this time to make informed decisions about personnel and strategy, to help ensure the long-term success of the franchise.

So I'm assuming this is the ChatGPT response? Seems general enough and robotic enough (no offense if you actually wrote it, ha). Sadly it's still better than anything Benning ever came up with in all of those lost seasons...

 

[arttk]

Sure but rebuilding through accumulating surplus draft picks and then developing is a lot more of a sound and repeatable strategy than "well look at NYR most of their players are from trades or signings".

I think you need to do both. Rebuilding teams tends to get out of their rebuild through signings and trades. Look at LA, they are not really carried by their high picks, it’s mostly on the old stars and then Fiala and Danult, Arvidsson and like a handful of guys they drafted earlier on.

 

[andora]

I think you need to do both. Rebuilding teams tends to get out of their rebuild through signings and trades. Look at LA, they are not really carried by their high picks, it’s mostly on the old stars and then Fiala and Danult, Arvidsson and like a handful of guys they drafted earlier on.

Look at recent cup winners.. i dont know say 10 years

Compare drafted to trade and ufa.. it has to be a mix.. hopefully our pro scouts nail it with their targets that FIT with whatever scheme we end up with

 

[credulous]

I think you need to do both. Rebuilding teams tends to get out of their rebuild through signings and trades. Look at LA, they are not really carried by their high picks, it’s mostly on the old stars and then Fiala and Danult, Arvidsson and like a handful of guys they drafted earlier on.

no one is saying you can't have a good team with players you traded for. the problem is that you need draft picks and young players/prospects to make trades for good players

if you don't draft a lot and have relatively good success in doing so you just won't have the assets to make meaningful trades

 

[Jyrki21]

Trevor Linden hired him, I'm sure others were involved but Linden is the one who made the decision.

"There were moments of clarity for me in speaking with Jim that we just really connected on a hockey level," Linden said. "Our beliefs on how success is built in the National Hockey League were very aligned."

One of the main reasons I don’t really buy the Trevor Linden redemption arc. He was very much part of the problem for the vast majority of the time he was there.

 

[aight]

So I'm assuming this is the ChatGPT response? Seems general enough and robotic enough (no offense if you actually wrote it, ha). Sadly it's still better than anything Benning ever came up with in all of those lost seasons...

Correct.

 

[BimJenning]

i love laughing at the dallas cowboys because deep down i'm embarassed that we have the nhl equivalent of jerry jones

No we don't, Jerry's team has won before

 

[God]

No we don't, Jerry's team has won before

when u think about it, that was a real possibility in 2011, and set aqua on the same meddling path as jerry.

 

[Killer Orcas]

One of the main reasons I don’t really buy the Trevor Linden redemption arc. He was very much part of the problem for the vast majority of the time he was there.

I agree however I believe their views changed near end and Linden wanted to rebuild and Benning convinced Aquaman they could re-tool or make it work. Linden never really did anything though in management but PR in my opinion.

 

[rypper]

One of the main reasons I don’t really buy the Trevor Linden redemption arc. He was very much part of the problem for the vast majority of the time he was there.

Yeah even if he seemed to find the right path towards the end, it's hard to forget how he oozed arrogance up until that point.

 

[God]

i can't really fault linden for being a moron because he was absolutely unprepared to take the job. just zero hockey management experience whatsoever. after a few years of learning he managed to come around a bit on the rebuild idea and got canned. it's probably why the sedins chose the path they did with team...they knew diving in headfirst like linden was a terrible idea.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Wow, you really have a bug up your bu(( when people actually don't rely on knee jerk politically and racially correct thinking.

I think you're taking this way too personally and interpreting it as an attack on you. All I'm doing is providing detailed rationale and relating it to hockey, using similar examples.

I've also stated that I think things have veered way too far in the 'other' direction (re: wokeness or whatever term you'd like to use), but that doesn't mean you can't still stand up or speak out against shit.

I prefer to think for myself.

Start doing it?

First, why did you include s comment by someone else in your ridiculous rant about me? Pointless!

...where?

Did you actually have something to say or just need attention by reposting

It seems that I broke your brain. I didn't repost anything (unless the forums glitched out or something and a double post was deleted.)

AA claims racism and no doubt there was, but using racism for failure to make it in the NHL in the last 20 years is pretty lame.

I don't think Aliu has said that the reason he isn't an NHL player is because racism. I do think that he has spoken up numerous times about the role racism has played in the sport and how it's impacted players.

Once again: we were discussing Steve Simmons utter dismissal of Aliu's knowledge of racism in hockey because he was part of "23 organizations." Not whether or not he was an NHL player.

You're proud of thinking. Do your best Winnie the Pooh impersonation and thinkthinkthink.

Unfortunately people like you fall back into the politically correct and racial correct assumption that every time a person of colour claims racism it's factual. That's actually a form of racism in itself, because it assumes that racism is so prevalent and systemic that this is an undeniable truth every time it is claimed.

No one was saying this or is saying this in this discussion. You're creating an argument out of thin air.

Once again, Bill Peters straight up admitted to using racial slurs when talking to Aliu. The history between Aliu and Steve Downie, and it having a racist bent, is very well documented. Aliu lost 7 teeth.

Basically showing that Critical Race Theory is a big stinking mess in a cow pasture. African Americans incidently, were near the bottom economically compared to their peers. Now, if systemic racism did exist, it seems to be focused almost exclusively on African Americans. Hmmmmm. Me thinks not.
Perhaps a little critical thinking on your part, rather than slavish adherence to BLM shaded garbage would be a good place to start.

Yeah...uh....none of this has anything to do with Simmons statements. And for the record, I'd lump BLM into the 'going too far' side of things. This is farcical 'whataboutism' that ignores the points that are being made so you can have a tantrum over the attack on "White people."

Isn't there an anti-vaxx or trucker rally you should be at? lollll

 

[Vector]

 

[Deeds26]

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

About time someone said that. Aqua must be fuming lmao.

 

[AppleHoneySauce]

That feels like bad reasoning for the correct Answer. Doubt teams werent trying. It sure as shit didnt feel like vegas or stl werent trying with how thoroughly they dominated us. Maybe some teams didnt want to play, but i doubt every good player/ team there didnt want to play. I doubt any large contingent of them felt like that.

2020 was a fluke because were way over the cap for a "regular season series", most likely wouldnt have made it if the year finished out normally, and were still missing all the players we had injured pre shut down.

 

[Gurn]

If the teams were not trying- then they were not good teams.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I don't think the team really did much in the bubble year apart from finally play with some urgency, but I don't understand what Allvin is saying here. Why didn't good teams want to play? And why did they win if they didn't want to play?

 

[rypper]

I think it was pretty clear St. Louis at very least did not want any part of the bubble and were burnt out from their cup run.