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Maybe by explaining how this is a 'victimhood rant'?



Yeah, and if you were discussing in good faith and actually reading things, you'd note that I stated that Aliu would be described as a 'journeyman player' in other posts rather than 'crybaby who wasn't wanted in 23 organizations.' But because folks want to point at PK Subban (or whomever) and say that racism in hockey is solved, here we are.

I also stated that racism might have played a role. It's inarguable that he faced racism through his career (much like many other minority players in the league.)

This site makes mountains out of molehills over prospect development. This player should have been sent back to junior for more season. This player needs to be getting plenty of ice time. This coach doesn't like young players, they're ruining this prospect's development.

We know that there are coaches who didn't like players for personality or non-hockey related reasons. Is it really that much of a reach to think that there would be other extenuating factors?




We were discussing the idiocy of Steve Simmon's statement about Aliu. Which bears no resemblance to the nonsense I have quoted above.

Here it is, since it's patently obvious you're just wanting to yell about a player who is getting "uppity."



Being a minority player who experienced racism (enough so that a f***ing NHL coach admitted he said the things Aliu attributed to him) I would think, in fact, Aliu does know.




Weren't you the guy jumping all over someone for bringing up Sheldon Keefe because it wasn't germane to the discussion?

Anyway. You're taking an incredibly binary look at things, which is something I am not fond of the "woke" crowd of doing, either.

Racism is not the sole reason why there aren't 'more' players of colour in the NHL. But it can be seen as a barrier that can be a contributing factor.

Have you heard about this story from 2018? Do you think maybe that if a kid was facing something like that from grown adults they might be disinclined to continue in the sport?

Here's another story borne out of the above one.



So yes, if someone isn't feeling welcome or a part of a team and they decide to switch sports because of racist attitudes, I'd say that it does contribute to accessibility issues in the sport, but it's not a sole determining factor.

Folks like to simplify things down with incredibly reductionist takes on things and, when we're talking about complex socio issues, it's not that cut and dry.



It's kinda depressing how incredibly close you get and then miss the point.

Both of your examples are more or less restating what I had said. There's no real consequences for vile instances in the game and that's an issue if we're looking at making it more welcoming/less racist/less insular.

And Virtanen was afforded a million and one chances (same as guys like Shane O'Brien.) There was no real explanation for Aliu plummeting from a top 5 first rounder to actually being drafted in the second round like there would be with, say, Angelo Esposito (who was thought to be 1OA until a knee injury sidelined him) or other players where you can look and point at a reason as to why they fell.

The only thing really with Aliu was the shit with Downie. Yet only Aliu seemed to be punished for it.

It's great you acknowledge that racism exists in the game. But it might be worth thinking about what sort of impact it has on players. At all levels, from the NHL on down.
Wow, you really have a bug up your bu(( when people actually don't rely on knee jerk politically and racially correct thinking. I prefer to think for myself.

First, why did you include s comment by someone else in your ridiculous rant about me? Pointless!

I mentioned Virtanen because he went 5th in the first round, and the statement was made he was touted as being that high. It means nothing if you don't produce. Otherwise I am not comparing KJake to AA.

Maybe by explaining how this is a 'victimhood rant'?



Yeah, and if you were discussing in good faith and actually reading things, you'd note that I stated that Aliu would be described as a 'journeyman player' in other posts rather than 'crybaby who wasn't wanted in 23 organizations.' But because folks want to point at PK Subban (or whomever) and say that racism in hockey is solved, here we are.

I also stated that racism might have played a role. It's inarguable that he faced racism through his career (much like many other minority players in the league.)

This site makes mountains out of molehills over prospect development. This player should have been sent back to junior for more season. This player needs to be getting plenty of ice time. This coach doesn't like young players, they're ruining this prospect's development.

We know that there are coaches who didn't like players for personality or non-hockey related reasons. Is it really that much of a reach to think that there would be other extenuating factors?




We were discussing the idiocy of Steve Simmon's statement about Aliu. Which bears no resemblance to the nonsense I have quoted above.

Here it is, since it's patently obvious you're just wanting to yell about a player who is getting "uppity."



Being a minority player who experienced racism (enough so that a f***ing NHL coach admitted he said the things Aliu attributed to him) I would think, in fact, Aliu does know.




Weren't you the guy jumping all over someone for bringing up Sheldon Keefe because it wasn't germane to the discussion?

Anyway. You're taking an incredibly binary look at things, which is something I am not fond of the "woke" crowd of doing, either.

Racism is not the sole reason why there aren't 'more' players of colour in the NHL. But it can be seen as a barrier that can be a contributing factor.

Have you heard about this story from 2018? Do you think maybe that if a kid was facing something like that from grown adults they might be disinclined to continue in the sport?

Here's another story borne out of the above one.



So yes, if someone isn't feeling welcome or a part of a team and they decide to switch sports because of racist attitudes, I'd say that it does contribute to accessibility issues in the sport, but it's not a sole determining factor.

Folks like to simplify things down with incredibly reductionist takes on things and, when we're talking about complex socio issues, it's not that cut and dry.



It's kinda depressing how incredibly close you get and then miss the point.

Both of your examples are more or less restating what I had said. There's no real consequences for vile instances in the game and that's an issue if we're looking at making it more welcoming/less racist/less insular.

And Virtanen was afforded a million and one chances (same as guys like Shane O'Brien.) There was no real explanation for Aliu plummeting from a top 5 first rounder to actually being drafted in the second round like there would be with, say, Angelo Esposito (who was thought to be 1OA until a knee injury sidelined him) or other players where you can look and point at a reason as to why they fell.

The only thing really with Aliu was the shit with Downie. Yet only Aliu seemed to be punished for it.

It's great you acknowledge that racism exists in the game. But it might be worth thinking about what sort of impact it has on players. At all levels, from the NHL on down.

Wow, you really have a bug up your bu(( when people actually don't rely on knee jerk politically and racially correct thinking. I prefer to think for myself.

First, why did you include s comment by someone else in your ridiculous rant about me? Pointless!

I mentioned Virtanen because he went 5th in the first round, and the statement was made he was touted as being that high. It means nothing if you don't produce. Otherwise I am not comparing KJake to AA.
Did you actually have something to say or just need attention by reposting
 
Good lord, you think you're very smart but you really don't think very good.
Actually it is think well, which clearly you don't. For any with a semblance of independent thought would see, I am referring to AA and not racism in general. I feel his race card claims are blown out of proportion. Lots of players have been abused though the system and yet made the NHL. How about Sheldon Kennedy and Theron Fleury? I am not apologizing for a broke system, merely saying I don't buy his version.
 
Actually it is think well, which clearly you don't. For any with a semblance of independent thought would see, I am referring to AA and not racism in general. I feel his race card claims are blown out of proportion. Lots of players have been abused though the system and yet made the NHL. How about Sheldon Kennedy and Theron Fleury? I am not apologizing for a broke system, merely saying I don't buy his version.

In your words, what is "his vision?"
 
Racism is just too complicated to figure out guys like when the coach comes in the room and calls the only black guy a N word is that racism or is it not complicated enough to be racism? Maybe there simply isn’t enough strands to that incident. Am I being to knee jerk and using political and racial cliches by even posting this?
 
This is also f***ing weird.

Owners don't meet coaches. Owners don't wine and dine UFAs.
i love laughing at the dallas cowboys because deep down i'm embarassed that we have the nhl equivalent of jerry jones
 
Racism is just too complicated to figure out guys like when the coach comes in the room and calls the only black guy a N word is that racism or is it not complicated enough to be racism? Am I being to knee jerk and using political and racial cliches by even posting this?
That you for demonstration exactly what I am talking about. As if that level of overt racism is the only thing that racism is. Are you really so thick, as not to see he is accusing the system of covert racism with that being the reason he didn't make the NHL not overt racism? Really, can you not understand that? WOW!

Great. Version.

Are you going to answer or not?
DUH! His version, is he didn't make the NHL because he is African American. That he was systematically treated with racist attitudes and then the NHL conspired to deny him his rightful place in the NHL.
 
DUH! His version, is he didn't make the NHL because he is African American. That he was systematically treated with racist attitudes and then the NHL conspired to deny him his rightful place in the NHL.

I'll need a citation on this one.

Be honest, now: have you even read his "Hockey Is Not For Everyone" piece? Or are you just using him as a placeholder for the big bad Black Lives Matter Critical Race Theory Reverse Racism or whatever bogeyman that you're all riled up about?
 
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I'll need a citation on this one.

Be honest, now: have you even read his "Hockey Is Not For Everyone" piece? Or are you just using him as a placeholder for the big bad Black Lives Matter Critical Race Theory Reverse Racism or whatever bogeyman that you're all riled up about?
15 minute cities! WEF!
 
In your words, what is "his vision?"
He's an Avenger:



i love laughing at the dallas cowboys because deep down i'm embarassed that we have the nhl equivalent of jerry jones
Granted it was eons ago, but the Cowboys actually won the SuperBowl a few times while Jones was owner. Fredo? I guess the 50/50 draw runs well. A better comparison (my opinion) would be we have the Maple Laff equivalent of Harold Ballard.
 
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Akim Aliu’s inability to ascend the dominance hierarchy of hockey is an archetype as old as time and never fails to fill my eyes with tears. Don’t let the radical post Marxist neo leftism win Steamer, the world must know the truth. For the truth is all that is sacred and precious in the belly of chaos we all inhabit until we clean our rooms!
 
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Akim Aliu’s inability to ascend the dominance hierarchy of hockey is an archetype as old as time and never fails to fill my eyes with tears. Don’t let the radical post Marxist neo leftism win Steamer, the world must know the truth. For the truth is all that is sacred and precious in the belly of chaos we all inhabit until we clean our rooms!
Is this budget chatgpt?
 
You might want to take the time to actually learn about racism. I studied it in university and went to innumerable workshops during my career. People like you reduce racism to black and white. Which anyone truly educated on the subject knows is not only patenlly false, but ludicrous. I doubt you know squat about racism in the developing world. Instead, unable to think critically, you fall back on BLM tropes and cliches to prove your point. As if only hate groups like BLM have the facts. In reality racism is complex with many strands and exists throughout the world. But hate groups want to tie colonialism to some vast overt racist policy throughout the so called White world. A bit like Q-Anon. Abuse is rampant in sports and always has been. It's a broken system, and yet despite that level of abuse, players go on to play in the NHL and even become stars. I don't buy his story as being the one and only truth.
Perhaps instead of relying on knee jerk political and racial cliches and bias, try applying a broader view. Sadly you don't want to even consider the concept that many racism claims are false. Learned helplessness and victimhood are rampant in society from Prince Harry to the convict in Matsqui. "It's not my fault"
I have no problems with AA speaking out against racism in the sport, but I doubt that is why he didn't make the NHL.


Can you read and spell? I said version not vision

Any decent poster should put Steamer on ignore for this post alone.
 
To the dear fans that have been watching the Canucks for 10+ years,

I kindly ask the following and even just one question answered is appreciated greatly. :allears:


What was the 2011 teams strengths and weaknesses?

it's more complicated than this, and obviously there's two elite goalies, extremely inopportune injuries, incredible cap optimization, AV's blood feud with ballard, ridiculous depth, total inability to adjust on the fly, special teams, and crooked reffing, but ultimately i think the two biggest factors were:

strength: having three extremely high end lines each anchored by elite centermen in their respective roles that challenged opposing teams in three very different ways

weakness: lack of a true #1 dman who when injuries hit could eat half a game at elite level play
 
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Given the endless shade thrown at local media personalities like JD Burke, Sekeres, Pratt, etc. or national guys like Simmons, Cox, Kypreos, Deger, Friedman, McGuire, etc, you would think that suggestions of sexism wouldn't hold any water. But, alas...
I see there a very significant difference. You dont. That is fine.
 
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To the dear fans that have been watching the Canucks for 10+ years,

I kindly ask the following and even just one question answered is appreciated greatly. :allears:


What was the 2011 teams strengths and weaknesses?


Is Petterssons best handpicked 3-5 games of the year as good as Peak Kesler ? (2011 vs Preds?)


Is this current Canucks team, with prime Luongo, a playoff team?


BONUS
Would you trade Hughes + 2023 3rd overall pick for Leon Draisaitl ?
Simple, that's good.

Pettersson - Kesler - No Kesler was in the midst of a heavy playoff game

Luongo - ANY team would be a playoff team with him at his prime this one would not be a good one

Dras - Hughes and pick - No the 2023 pick is too valuable it could be another Dras
 
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The Virtanen comparison was about draft position since you suggested that Aliu could be as high as 5th. Same draft position. Apparently that was to subtle for you to understand.

As to management and ownership, I was pointing out that the Aqua Men made their money as slum lords and are barely above the criminal class. Once again, your great intellect, if you actually had one, didn't allow you to understand such an obvious point. It was a pretty obvious point.

AA claims racism and no doubt there was, but using racism for failure to make it in the NHL in the last 20 years is pretty lame.

Unfortunately people like you fall back into the politically correct and racial correct assumption that every time a person of colour claims racism it's factual. That's actually a form of racism in itself, because it assumes that racism is so prevalent and systemic that this is an undeniable truth every time it is claimed. Essentially the same position of the White Supremacists currently in control of the Republican Party in the USA, Replacement Theory etc. Everything is a plot against Whites. In Canada, however, a study was released a few years ago showed that on a per capita basis, Chinese, South Korean and South Asian Canadians make more money than their White peers on average. Basically showing that Critical Race Theory is a big stinking mess in a cow pasture. African Americans incidently, were near the bottom economically compared to their peers. Now, if systemic racism did exist, it seems to be focused almost exclusively on African Americans. Hmmmmm. Me thinks not.
Perhaps a little critical thinking on your part, rather than slavish adherence to BLM shaded garbage would be a good place to start.
Subtle and stupid are not the same.

For the management and ownership thing, nothing in that post indicated that might be your point. But who cares!

I'm afraid by engaging I might be pulled in by the overwhelming density of this black hole of nonsense, but I'm not a smart man. Per your post above (but I absolutely might be misinterpreting what you're saying because there seems to be no relationship between what you mean and what you say):
1. Racism simultaneously exists and does not actually have an effect on players (smart & nuanced for sure)
2. Believing that racism might actually be something that happens to people is in fact a racist thought, thus turning the tables and making normal people who have compassion for others the exact same as violent white supremacists (A thought that has the same intellectual value as a fart)
3. I actually have no idea how the whole critical race theory thing has been shoehorned in here, but very cool to help fill out the bingo card
4. The fact that African-American people have been economically disadvantaged across generations is actually evidence against systemic racism, because other cultural groups with completely different economic circumstances have carved out stronger economic positions (again, incredibly convoluted thought process, would love to watch you do sudoku)
 
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This movie is one of my favourites and I love that it came from me browsing box covers at a Blockbuster. How in the f*** can you not want to check this out?

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