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The problem is that management has set expectations at a certain level and if they fail to meet them there will likely be consequences. This owner is not known for his patience.
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The problem is that management has set expectations at a certain level and if they fail to meet them there will likely be consequences. This owner is not known for his patience.
plus they adressed speed on the wings. which was their 2nd achilles heel in the edmonton series. boeser is and will always be slow. garland good north south guy. now they have sasson as well. the D was the biggest questionmark heading into this season.
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No. Hronek will return, canucks will trade for a top 4 defender. Team will instantly look better.
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Man, it must suck having your job security under threat like that.
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They're going to augment the D, get Hronek healthy, fix the room, and go on a run.
I wouldn’t call it great news as you’d expect a competent management team to adapt their strategy to results.
I feel like the die has already been cast though. Management has already committed to a certain window with this core, and in some ways, the poor results almost necessitate bigger trades to stay on track.
I agree that pure rental trades make less sense but I also doubt they were planning on that given last years rentals.
They need to find another top four puck moving defensemen and then hope Tochett can adjust his system so that we are able to produce more offense but not at a significant cost to our offense.
Difficult task for management and there is a good chance the Canucks have peaked, but this retool was always going to difficult given the original pieces in place.
Don't see any GDT on the Sens game tonight......but so far, another bad first period on home ice.
Lose this one, and the Canucks are officially below the playoff bar in the West. Hardly where they expected to be, but where they belong, as least at the 30-game mark.
Lose this one, and the Canucks are officially below the playoff bar in the West. Hardly where they expected to be, but where they belong, as least at the 30-game mark.
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There was some decent defense this offseason
Massive indictment against this management with the guys decided to go with in Myers and desharnais
Massive indictment against this management with the guys decided to go with in Myers and desharnais
Was just thinking this the other day. Walman and Kovacevic for practically nothing really grinds my gears. Matt Roy was probably a pipe dream but his price tag ended up being very nice value.
Hell, it's a long deal, but Montour is looking full value for Seattle so far.
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Kovacevic looks like one of the biggest steal of the offseason
Montreal is now looking for a defensive minded young defenceman that’s a right shot to play with hutson………. Like umm ok?
And they gave him away for a half eaten sandwhich
Him and siegenthaler are one of the more dominant pairings in the league
He’s a UFA at seasons end, he’s a giant and he’s right handed:
That alone gets him a contract offer from us next summer.
Add in the fact he’s playing 20 minutes a night on a good team…it’s safe to say the last time we saw someone recruited this hard by Vancouver…(well, I’m not sure exactly what it is, but there’s a Taylor Swift joke in there somewhere)…
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Trades. Other than EP or JTM
Trading Hoglander or Deharnias isn't going to get "the player" the Canucks need. There value just isn't high enough and in truth the Canucks aren't world beaters and if those guys aren't good enough here then all they are trading away is cap hits more than the return.
Neither player's absence will make an huge impact being part time guys right now.
Boeser on his last year of his contract before FA is a more major trade that could get the player they need. Defence, good ones are harder to find than wingers. That Boeser has scored 40 goals will excite a market. He could get the player they need not only for now but longer term and solidify a roster spot.
As far as replacing him, Horvat got 39 goals and then Boeser took his spot on the PP and got 40 goals. The team signed DeBrusk and he is on pace to score more than 30. All this shows is there are players that can put up 25+ goals if moved up a roster. There could be a few out there.
Suter, the Swiss army knife, another expiring contract, above Hogs and Deharnais' value but below Boeser's but not by much. His versatility might make him un-tradeable as far as the Canucks wanting to trade him.
IF trades are for the TODAY team then the future would included, prospects, possibly good future players that can't make an impact for a few years yet but some teams could take the time and save some cap hit. Obviously Willander and Lekkerimaki are the team's top prospects with higher value. IF trades are for today's team then they might have to be in play.
The team may find it too difficult to build for TODAY and two years in the future if management really believe this is the window NOW.
Garland might be value plus trade asset.
Are there trade partners? The playoff picture is solidifying pretty fast and the Canucks really don't want to help or trade with a direct competitor for a WC spot in the west.
Then depending upon who gets dealt there is the cap space to consider. Next year's cap increase and maybe more if the increase is only 5 mil, has already been used up in the buyouts.
Anything can be done if enough of the future is sacrificed.
I still think the best Boeser deal would include a RHD under cap control with maybe a high prospect or picks. Minnesota. Jiricek, RHD, 6' 4" at 975K and 23 yrs old. He would be an upgrade on some of the AHL dmen playing top 4 roles on the Canucks now, fit easily under the cap now and in the near future. A trade here would be a first step. It would help a competitor but it could be the best return now and longer term. Just an idea. NYR, Penns, CBJ, NYI ...
A Garland trade, there are eastern teams still close to a WC. But the Canucks aren't under the gun to move him.
Trading Hoglander or Deharnias isn't going to get "the player" the Canucks need. There value just isn't high enough and in truth the Canucks aren't world beaters and if those guys aren't good enough here then all they are trading away is cap hits more than the return.
Neither player's absence will make an huge impact being part time guys right now.
Boeser on his last year of his contract before FA is a more major trade that could get the player they need. Defence, good ones are harder to find than wingers. That Boeser has scored 40 goals will excite a market. He could get the player they need not only for now but longer term and solidify a roster spot.
As far as replacing him, Horvat got 39 goals and then Boeser took his spot on the PP and got 40 goals. The team signed DeBrusk and he is on pace to score more than 30. All this shows is there are players that can put up 25+ goals if moved up a roster. There could be a few out there.
Suter, the Swiss army knife, another expiring contract, above Hogs and Deharnais' value but below Boeser's but not by much. His versatility might make him un-tradeable as far as the Canucks wanting to trade him.
IF trades are for the TODAY team then the future would included, prospects, possibly good future players that can't make an impact for a few years yet but some teams could take the time and save some cap hit. Obviously Willander and Lekkerimaki are the team's top prospects with higher value. IF trades are for today's team then they might have to be in play.
The team may find it too difficult to build for TODAY and two years in the future if management really believe this is the window NOW.
Garland might be value plus trade asset.
Are there trade partners? The playoff picture is solidifying pretty fast and the Canucks really don't want to help or trade with a direct competitor for a WC spot in the west.
Then depending upon who gets dealt there is the cap space to consider. Next year's cap increase and maybe more if the increase is only 5 mil, has already been used up in the buyouts.
Anything can be done if enough of the future is sacrificed.
I still think the best Boeser deal would include a RHD under cap control with maybe a high prospect or picks. Minnesota. Jiricek, RHD, 6' 4" at 975K and 23 yrs old. He would be an upgrade on some of the AHL dmen playing top 4 roles on the Canucks now, fit easily under the cap now and in the near future. A trade here would be a first step. It would help a competitor but it could be the best return now and longer term. Just an idea. NYR, Penns, CBJ, NYI ...
A Garland trade, there are eastern teams still close to a WC. But the Canucks aren't under the gun to move him.
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I don't believe Montour is the player we need, not on that contract, he won't get much pp time here.
Kovacevic. I was disappointed we didn't get him. Not because I expected him to break out but because he was $766,666. Filled a need and dirt cheap. Satisfied the size queen coach.
Walman also filled a need. Yzerman paid to be rid of him so there is clearly something going on the background. Still with a look depending on what it was...
Instead we have spent $10m on 4 depth Dmen in Soucy, Myers, Forbort and VD.
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33 games in and Santa is coming so here is my wish list……
#1-Defence. I don’t care what it costs, if he’s RH or LH and who you have to trade to make the cap work but get that solid #3 D-man who can carry his line all by himself and solidify the top 4.
This management group completely screwed up this offseason regarding the defence and we all pretty much knew it! Time to make things right and give this group a chance.
#2-Rick Tocchet. You gotta adjust. The NHL ain’t stupid and are deploying your system against you. Heavy forcheck while shadowing the top centres. I can’t help ya with the lack of foot speed up front but ya gotta tweak something.
Hopefully management will also help you out here and tweak the top 9 as well.
That’s about it. Management has their work cut out for them so lets see what they pull out of their bag of tricks.
#1-Defence. I don’t care what it costs, if he’s RH or LH and who you have to trade to make the cap work but get that solid #3 D-man who can carry his line all by himself and solidify the top 4.
This management group completely screwed up this offseason regarding the defence and we all pretty much knew it! Time to make things right and give this group a chance.
#2-Rick Tocchet. You gotta adjust. The NHL ain’t stupid and are deploying your system against you. Heavy forcheck while shadowing the top centres. I can’t help ya with the lack of foot speed up front but ya gotta tweak something.
Hopefully management will also help you out here and tweak the top 9 as well.
That’s about it. Management has their work cut out for them so lets see what they pull out of their bag of tricks.
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I'm not sure but given he paid to be rid of him it seems odd he wouldn't have at least tried shopping him or waiving him. Just bizarre.
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Not really.
The easy season just qualifies the team for the real season. Half the league gets that chance.
Last year the real season exposed the difference quite a bit.
The two hot Canuck dmen were exposed to players playing at 110% and they failed, you could say miserably. Combined Hronek and Hughes, the two highest paid dmen got 12 pts, they were also the smallest dmen. Myers and Zadorov got 9 pts but more importantly they out hit QH & FH 85 to 29, blocked almost twice as many shots. Defence.
This wasn't lost on most hockey people. In fact the two smallest dmen were behind in most defensive stats in the real season. The rest of the D, Juulsen - in two games just about out hit either, Cole did out hit and out block them, Soucy was similar. The defensive metrics both Hughes and Hronek were DFL in the real season.
Just about every team in the league learned how to neutralize Hughes, who won the Norris trophy.
Even Deharnais in Edmonton was well ahead in hits (40) and blocked shots (41) in his limited ice time.
Last year's team IMO was so close to taking THE STEP, but for whatever reasons players were jettisoned at cost, let go and skill levels reduced to forecheckers. Maybe it did have something to do with the OEL buyout and the cost over the next 6 years and especially the next 2 years, maybe it was just the coach's preference to "type" or inside information they possess.
This year's system might be nothing but Tocchet trying to teach the team a playoff style or low event hockey. But it might not suit all the team for an extended period of time because of the pressure it puts on a few players to be brilliant in a dumbed down game.
They beat the SJ Sharks, they should have, it should never have been as close a game. SJ played the night before, traveled and played. It could be that if they had not lost the coaches challenge the outcome could have been different, the shots in the third period kind of show how close the two teams were and that with one of them being tired and the other still learning to win coming through a rebuild.
At any rate large humans on defence in the real season make a real difference. Can the Canucks find another Zadorov, Soucy or Myers? Because it is pretty clear they don't want to spend 5 mil on a top 4 dman, so who is out there for under 4 mil that can play in a top two role?
Hronek's hurt, whatever his injury really is and out. What if Hughes gets sick, hurt or needs personal leave? What doe the top pairing look like then? Hell what does the entire D corps look like?
Myers - Soucy
Deharnais - Forbort
Juulsen - Brannstrom
For 10 games?
If they did get a top line D where will he fit once the team is healthy? Second fiddle to Hughes all the time? Paid well over 5 mil?
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Bahahahahahahahahahahahahah
I’ve seen it all
“Can the Canucks find another Myers”
That sounds like nothing short of HELL
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