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Melvin
21/12/05
I don't disagree with them possibly buying into the same delusion that many fans did, in thinking that the "real team" was the one under Boudreau last year, and it's why I was so frustrated with the wins we kept piling on after we had no realistic shot to make the playoffs. But it's a tough spot to be in. They said all the right things at the time, but when you have a strong finish to the season and there is some energy in the fanbase and everyone is buying into this narrative, it takes some brass f***ing balls to say to the fans "shut the f*** up, you're wrong. This team sucks and we are blowing it up." I have friends IRL that absolutely wanted them to come back this year with the same team. Selling Miller and/or Boeser woudl have been an extremely tough sell.
Which is why I am saying I think they're average...doing that would have been impressive (to me,) but I think they just couldn't pull the trigger giving the hype and the energy in the fanbase and media. Nobody wanted to say it, but all those meaningless wins at the end of last year absolutely put us in a tough spot. We needed to lose a whole bunch and fall well out of the race for any major changes to the team to be even remotely palatable to the vast majority of the fanbase.
You may remember that they were not even super keen to bring Boudreau back ... but I think all those wins and Bruce there it is just made it impossible to not bring him back. It would be nice to say, an elite management wouldn't give a f***, but that's why I'm not calling them elite, and remember there's Aquilini as well to answer to.
All those useless wins at the end of last season completely sealed our fate, as usual.
But even saying all of that, the only move that you mentioned that matters for THIS season is Boeser. Miller was already under contract for this year, so his extension doesn't factor into it. Dickinson is addition by subtraction and a 2nd round pick wasn't going to help us THIS season. If we're just talking about this year, the only real mistake they made was re-signing Boeser, which I was disappointed about but I do understand given all of what I just said. I think Mikheyev is a good addition.
Why didn't they sign Lyubushkin this offseason, I wonder. Not very expensive stay at home RHD and a great hitter, could help Hughes a lot. Zero offense but Hughes has enough offense for three defensemen. Could have been another Russian on the team too.
I actually dont think it would have been that tough of a sell for at least miller. General feeling around me in real life and online (not just here) seemed quite solidly in the trade miller 1 year pain for future gain territory of opinion. Even the older more old school style thinking friends and family seemed to be at the very least understanding of a miller trade.
Melvin
21/12/05
Depends on the return. Imagine they trade Miller for some picks and a prospect who starts the season in the AHL, and then they have the start to the season that they're having right now. People would be screaming bloody murder, even moreso than they are doing at the moment.
At least now it's like "welp, we did everything you wanted us to do. What are you complaining about?"
sting101
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I guess we know why Canadian teams haven't won a cup since 1993
Fan pressure should never affect the front office decisions but it always seems to in Canada.
Even when teams set out to do it right and start down that path they mess it up by getting too excited and buying shiny toys that cost too much and let the depth go to hell
30yrs? 7 teams 22-23% chance every year. It's actually incredible
Fan pressure should never affect the front office decisions but it always seems to in Canada.
Even when teams set out to do it right and start down that path they mess it up by getting too excited and buying shiny toys that cost too much and let the depth go to hell
30yrs? 7 teams 22-23% chance every year. It's actually incredible
Just A Bit Outside
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Mgmt came in with all bark and have shown no bite.
They are full of shit and haven’t made one hard decision yet.
I honestly don’t know wtf they have done except bring in Doerrie and then turn that into a gong show.
They are full of shit and haven’t made one hard decision yet.
I honestly don’t know wtf they have done except bring in Doerrie and then turn that into a gong show.
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Lets replace them with the most senile, backwards thinking, out of work, old boys club type for GM and continue the trend.
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BY GAWD THAT'S CHIARELLI'S MUSIC!
“I’m getting word if you can believe this, the trade is one for one”
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Can the Canucks hire MS and Melvin into the front office, pls?
If a member of the Canucks organisation is reading this thread, click on both forum user MS and forum user Melvin and go to their post history. Sadly, there was a forum migration, and a lot of history was lost, but you'll see they're right at about an 80%~+ clip, and they have consistently been right about things (While always backing up their takes with facts and reasoning).
We need these types of progressive minds in the front office.
If a member of the Canucks organisation is reading this thread, click on both forum user MS and forum user Melvin and go to their post history. Sadly, there was a forum migration, and a lot of history was lost, but you'll see they're right at about an 80%~+ clip, and they have consistently been right about things (While always backing up their takes with facts and reasoning).
We need these types of progressive minds in the front office.
Peter Griffin
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The funny thing is, Rutherford preached making these types of moves. Difficult decisions. Moves that wouldn’t be popular with the fanbase. They then proceed to make the “safest” moves possible.
It’s obviously too early to drag them through the coals, 5 games isn’t enough of
a sample size. But this is looking exactly like the team Rutherford said relied too much on Demko bailing them out and aside from adding Mikheyev, who I think will be a good addition, they’ve done nothing to address the situation and arguably have put themselves in a worse position going forward by moving another 2nd and committing even more salary longterm.
BimJenning
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Yeah, it is an entirely unsurprising scenario that without Demko stealing games, they're winless to begin the season, and it seems even Rutherford knows it. Demko gets it together eventually, but if either goaltending or the injury situation got out of hand this year, it was going to be ugly. Let's see if Demko can get back in the groove before the inevitable injuries hit. Curious if Trader Jim finally springs to action with one of those "unpopular, hard" moves
mriswith
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The benefit of being in the first year as new executives taking over a failing and dysfunctional org is that they don't have to care about people screaming bloody murder. Their jobs aren't at risk in year 1 or year 2, and by year 3 the course correction would be showing its wisdom and benefits.
Agreed that they look like a completely mediocre group. At best, they actually are talented but they don't have the courage to act decisively or according to their convictions, but more likely they're just average.
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Tomorrow morning works
I enjoy reading your stuff, I wish you posted more.
Also, you've got to think JR makes a move quick here, one he would have to make in the offseason or TDL anyways, but he's got to accelerate it now it seems.
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Sadly this is becoming obvious. It's the one and only reason they are average instead of good
I'm beginning to think that some long-time Canuck fans could seriously consider boycotting this team until the franchise is sold by the Aquilini's. It's that bad. And things could get really ugly if the Canucks lay an egg in their opener against an improving Sabres team.
There's the World Cup of Soccer coming up; and the B.C. Lions will get at least one home playoff date. And there's always the Raptors and the NBA to follow. And if you need a hockey fix, then maybe the WHL or the BCHL. There's a lot of options out there instead of supporting lackluster, grossly overpaid team owned by a bunch of low lifers.
There's the World Cup of Soccer coming up; and the B.C. Lions will get at least one home playoff date. And there's always the Raptors and the NBA to follow. And if you need a hockey fix, then maybe the WHL or the BCHL. There's a lot of options out there instead of supporting lackluster, grossly overpaid team owned by a bunch of low lifers.
VanillaCoke
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It's definitely shifted from 90% dimjim to like 66%.
"New" mgmt has taken some partial ownership by now and as someone else mentioned part of the huge disappointment is everyone was ready for change a year ago, 2 years ago.
Instead we got a triple down on the same shit.
PuckMunchkin
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I guess you are right. They are doing a fine job at appeasing the fans.
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Their strategy has kept the value of the team pretty damn high.
rypper
21-12-05 it's finally over.
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Seriously though was Rogers Arena built on some kind of ancient burial ground?
Sadly boeser has continued his extremely poor play.. not only structure but he is just not playing smart. I was ready to move him mid season last year.. what is when you are beyond ready
Agree with it all.. maybe they are playing politics as well - let the team justify the big move in poor play? They didnt do it last year .. but they are doing it right now
Agree on mikheyev.. i would like to see a line structured around him. Brought him in for a reason so build a capable line around that style
Too much.. his ability to handle the puck is not there.. plays physical but seriously is less skilled than roman polak..
TruGr1t
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This makes sense, but now they've really put their foot in the shit. If this continues and Miller has a bust of a year and becomes another anchor contract (alongside Boeser who is already there) we are really up the creek.
I view all three of the Boeser, Miller and Mikheyev contracts as red flags, as that was way too much salary without meaningfully improving the team in anyway. Maybe the thought process on Mikheyev was sound in a vacuum, but given the state of the defense and the cap situation they should not have been sinking that contract on a penalty killer.
The Miller and Boeser contracts have the potential to be borderline catastrophic, and do indeed speak to a management group holding on by the skin of their teeth to a middling roster that has a history of inconsistency and underachievement. Not to mention they effectively caved at the last minute on Miller to the tune of around $1M AAV when they played hard-liners all off-season.
Again, we just see this team being constantly reactive. I've seen nothing progressive or creative here ... just hanging on for dear life. And all the analytics specialists in the world aren't helping.
Ideally, you'd have the balls to come out and say "Look, we know you're excited about 'Bruce there it is', but this is a highly flawed roster that needs relatively major surgery to legitimately compete so we're going to have to do some things that may not directly make the team more competitive in the short term, but we're building toward a vision of long-term competitiveness here."
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