I am just curious what you mean by prgressive or creative.. or atleast what moves can be deemed progressive or creative moves
I appreciate your post, i am just curious for some insight
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I appreciate your post, i am just curious for some insight
TruGr1t
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They shouldn't have sat around last season on their hands "analyzing" through the summer and letting the market get away from them on basically every asset class (wingers, defense, etc.). Though I'll admit this was somewhat a result of the completely weird and backwards way the organization was restructured right from the President down to the coach post-Benning.
Material salary should have been moved prior to last year's deadline to prepare for the coming off-season, while if they seriously felt the way they apparently do about Boudreau he should not have been brought back. Miller and Boeser also shouldn't have been re-signed to those deals.
I would have accepted basically anything that was not to just completely giving up on say, fixing the defense.
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It boils down to this.
Management grossly overrated its center depth and invested nearly 19.5 million dollars (24% of the cap) towards wingers and we are now left with a gaping hole(s) at center and on D. The Mikheyev deal makes sense if Boeser is traded cause he can aid the centers on his line by doing the two-way work. JT Miller is best served as a winger; and we paid a hefty premium for a guy that's going to have to massively adjust his game to be a bona fide top 6 center in this league....at age 29.
Management may not be as incompetent as the Jim Benning led team but all moves and indications suggest this group moves unilaterally with decision-making (President and Owner). Our analytics team should be able to project where the team is headed now...Just wondering if anyone elects to listen to them.
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this is why i asked. i don't think that is anything progressive or creative - i do agree with most of it.
basically i asked because i have seen it semi consistently here the past couple months - they need to be move 'creative' .. and i'm always intrigued what a person means when they use that word versus what is actually attainable.
TruGr1t
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I mean actually "creative" would have been generating salary space ahead of the deadline, and then capitalizing on that space to pick-up legitimately good NHL players for pennies on the dollar in the summer when everyone was running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to ditch salary.
yep fair enough i get you..
i don't think there was much out there for moving salary (the normal contracts we talk about myers/dick/pool/pear) .. i don't think anything with term moved
if you were meaning the bolder move of boeser i agree
obviously the miller OR horvat i agree and could have supported both
Been saying for years we need to blow it up and go scorched earth Arizona style. Would rather suffer from short-term pain than perpetual mediocrity.
Since we have AQ as the owner, this will never happen though.
Since we have AQ as the owner, this will never happen though.
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The Isles deal was apparently for Myers and fell apart when he refused to waive. Horvat/Miller both would have been worth a ton at the deadline, and signing Boeser was optional. That's a ton of potential salary right there, without even knowing whether there would have been deals for others.
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when i criticize management for not being creative i'm mostly criticizing them for taking a bad team with a low ceiling and locking them all down for the next 2 seasons leaving themselves very little room to make adjustments. i've felt like the best version of this team is still barely a 100 point team with little hope of going deep in the playoffs and that the smart thing to do is try to find a way to add enough talent to raise that ceiling. instead they just signed a bunch of known quantities and fringe pieces that even in a best case scenario weren't going to put this group over the top
what i want to see is the team making smart bets like the avs did on nichushkin, burakovsky and lehtonen, the panthers on mason marchement and carter verhaeghe and the carolina hurricanes on...basically their entire roster. 4.75 mil on mikheyev is just lazy team building with limited upside even if he can be a consistent producer in your top 6 and a pk contributor. for 19/4 virtually any management team should be able to find a mikheyev. good teams fill that spot for far less money
what i want to see is the team making smart bets like the avs did on nichushkin, burakovsky and lehtonen, the panthers on mason marchement and carter verhaeghe and the carolina hurricanes on...basically their entire roster. 4.75 mil on mikheyev is just lazy team building with limited upside even if he can be a consistent producer in your top 6 and a pk contributor. for 19/4 virtually any management team should be able to find a mikheyev. good teams fill that spot for far less money
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The intent and mandate was never to develop a perennial contender but to quickly make use of what they had to make the playoffs. Jim Rutherford spoke about this back in December 2021 and hasn't shifted the goalposts.
Canucks: Jim Rutherford ready to get aggressive
When it comes to the state of his team, Vancouver Canucks president of hockey operations Jim Rutherford seems very aware of his team's situation.
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“How we’ll look at this in the future is we won’t trade high picks. Anytime we’re making a deal it’s for younger players and we’ll try to bring this team, really make it stronger over the next couple of years, to where it can start to be a regular playoff team.”
To be fair, he hasn't strayed much from that.
This is the major sticking point for me:
“What I’d like to see… is starting to play quicker,” Rutherford said. “We don’t have a fast team where we got a lot of fast skaters on it. That’s really what I prefer. But if you don’t have fast skaters, you have to be smart. You have to play quick. front pressure, puck pressure, back pressure. Support your teammate when he’s battling for a puck.”
Should really have made decisions on guys like Boeser or Pearson sooner. On the back end, OEL, Myers and Schenn are below average speed wise.
If they took the rumoured return the Rangers offered at the deadline and Miller started like this, they’d be classified as geniuses.
Pettersson-Horvat-Chytil down the middle. A young RHD puck mover.
They’d have cap space even considering all the other moves (Brock/Mikheyev).
Plus a surplus first that would make paying to dump a bad salary more palatable.
They were too scared and also focussed too much on assets in return.
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"Team woke" what in the world
Really love that this has been the case almost every offseason for the past 9 years
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Im keeping it simple. This team is done and will forever be done as long as the current owner is in charge.
Previously the Canucks had extremely talented management: Burke, Nonis, Gillis. These guys werent perfect by any measure, but they new the vancouver market extremely well and were quite shrewd managers. They covered up alot of the ownerships intrusions.
Yes man Benning was here for a long time, other yes men GMs will be here a long time aswell.
This team is done, for a long long time.
Previously the Canucks had extremely talented management: Burke, Nonis, Gillis. These guys werent perfect by any measure, but they new the vancouver market extremely well and were quite shrewd managers. They covered up alot of the ownerships intrusions.
Yes man Benning was here for a long time, other yes men GMs will be here a long time aswell.
This team is done, for a long long time.
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I dont even like Drance and almost didn't bother watching that but he kinda nails it yeah, and idk how anyone could see it any other way.
It's extremely frustrating and off putting to be subjected to literally te same bullshit yet again, from DIFFERENT mgmt, for almost a decade.
New Jim & friends have signed up like 100+ Million dollars in contracts and really failed to actually address any of the huge flaws they identified and talked about right away. Like what?!
It's definitely their team they took ownership of and then tripled down on the same junk. Unbelievable.
It's extremely frustrating and off putting to be subjected to literally te same bullshit yet again, from DIFFERENT mgmt, for almost a decade.
New Jim & friends have signed up like 100+ Million dollars in contracts and really failed to actually address any of the huge flaws they identified and talked about right away. Like what?!
It's definitely their team they took ownership of and then tripled down on the same junk. Unbelievable.
Drance can be hit or miss but I think he basically nailed it here.
Its depressing frankly.
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I would have taken that deal for sure.
They overplayed the Miller hand so bad...
I'm guessing the Mikheyev deal was done with the assumption that they will be able to move money out. In a vacuum that signing makes zero sense. Buying high on a elite middle sixer coming of a career year (a 51 game sample size at that). He does not move the needle for this team one bit and tied their hands under the cap.
Maybe Boeser will never be able to stay healthy. So far that deal looks awful too, but at least they were able to get it lower than the QO.
Miller trade I could not believe the moment it was signed... Felt like a gut punch. Not quite as bad as the OEL trade news but similar.
Reactive management. Sigh.
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TruGr1t
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Drance has become my spirit animal, which I find odd since I regularly thought he took it way too easy on the Benning regime. He's since seen the light, obviously.
Rather depressing take, but that's reality. I also like he is continuing to shoot down this ridiculous notion the Canucks have been "good 5-on-5" or "outplaying their competition 5-on-5" ... they aren't. They've been mediocre 5-on-5 and have not been generating near enough offense to really win anything unless they get all-star goaltending.
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Home run by Drance with that take.
After Garland and Hog being selected as scratches, at this point I think Rathbone is scratched because he's the shortest D rather than anything on ice.
If Boudreau can't see far enough into their nostrils, scratched.
After Garland and Hog being selected as scratches, at this point I think Rathbone is scratched because he's the shortest D rather than anything on ice.
If Boudreau can't see far enough into their nostrils, scratched.
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It doesn't help that there are dumb people who keep saying "VANCOUVER FANS CAN'T HANDLE A REBUILD".
We just went through the entire Benning tenure which was worse because they tried hard to compete and failed.
It's insulting to the fans that actually understand and care about their team winning a Stanley Cup.
Keep a few guys and everything else can go. Load up on picks at the TD. Blow it up. Bring it on.
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This team will never accomplish anything as long as the Aqualini's own this franchise.
It's funny how most of the fanbase continually said Drance was "too negative". Until it became too apparent that all of his criticisms were correct.
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a large segment of the fanbase can't handle any suggestion that pettersson, hughes, horvat, miller and demko aren't superstars
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