LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) IX

[Big Easy]

Has any prospect been talked about this much as Laine is?

Yes, Auston Matthews.

Its really the Jets fans obsessing over him. And the Finns of course, who I'm not sure if there obsessing over him because he's just that darn good, or because he's Finnish.

 

[TMLife*]

So leafs fans are claiming that the finns/jets fans are in the wrong. You are literally coming here saying Laine can't deke on a 1on1. Pathetic... Other Leafs fans must feel really proud of you

Show me the proof. And i said at speed. 1-on-1 at speed. Primarily on the rush. That was the specifics if you wanna get into it.

But the problem is that some of the points you are making don't make sense. He is good at getting other players faked out by using his reach. The only valid point you have is one that has been brought up multiple times, and that is his first steps.

Ok, lets see how his stick work does at the next level then

 

[Booster*]

This is 100% one of the easiest dangles to execute. Have you guys ever played hockey before? My gosh... it’s easier than a snappy toe drag.

But I’m done giving my opinion, I think I’ve pointed out some genuine concerns with Laine’s game and no one wants to talk civilized about it. Peace out

Also a 5-year old can hold a stick and shoot the puck into the net, it´s about when and where you can do things, i can do a bicycle kick in soccer, does that mean i can do it in a champions-league final?

Anyway thanks for you input, it´s very rewarding.

 

[FinnishSniper]

Here's another weak 1v1 at 00:39-00:42:

B-b-but that's on the european ice! That's not a NHL level player! That's a practisegame!

 

[Pongs21]

Yes, Auston Matthews.

Its really the Jets fans obsessing over him. And the Finns of course, who I'm not sure if there obsessing over him because he's just that darn good, or because he's Finnish.

Actually if you were somewhat familiar with the Jet's board you would notice that a lot of the posters are not in fact regulars on our board. The majoirty of this thread has been leaf fan's coming in with their opinions and their opinions of other's opinions on Laine.

 

[QnebO]

They are a bunch of kids who just spent the last 24 hours together travelling to San Jose and touring around: probably a great bonding experience for all of them!

Yea and media always tries to create fire like that, and usually succeeds. Many get provocated into some kind of dueling between two.

 

[FinnishSniper]

Show me the proof. And i said at speed. 1-on-1 at speed. Primarily on the rush. That was the specifics if you wanna get into it.



Ok, lets see how his stick work does at the next level then

Didn't you say you were gonna leave? Lol so funny

 

[Booster*]

B-b-but that's on the european ice! That's not a NHL level player! That's a practisegame!

Yup, doesn´t count.

He was really flying past #34 in USA, too bad that doesn´t count eithter.

 

[Big Easy]

Actually if you were somewhat familiar with the Jet's board you would notice that a lot of the posters are not in fact regulars on our board. The majoirty of this thread has been leaf fan's coming in with their opinions and their opinions of other's opinions on Laine.

Nope, not familiar with the Jets board. To be frank, because I don't care about the Jets.

But look at this thread, its littered with Finns.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

Here's another weak 1v1 at 00:39-00:42:

Is that supposed to be super impressive? He can do fancy looking in-between-the-legs moves all he wants but I don't think he will ever be that effective rush player due to his speed. When he gets it going he can be very dangerous, but it gets a while for him to get to full speed due to his weak explosiveness and acceleration.

He lives off his shot from the point. I like about his confidence with the puck and how he challenges the d instead of shooting or dumbing in (I actually wish Puljujärvi would do that more frequently), but I don't see him becoming a dangerous 1-on-1 player.

 

[Fishy]

Did Laine do the Wingspan measurement at the combine?

Apparently so: https://www.betitbest.com/sportsnews/de/news/laine-makes-case-he-can-be-better-than-matthews-2697583

Reported as "Matthews had a 76.75-inch wingspan, one inch longer than Laine" = 75.75 inches.

 

[Gsus]

But look at this thread, its littered with Finns.

And a couple of Leafs fans including a guy that says he could execute the exact same move that Laine did in Liiga finals. He did that as a 12yo kid and it's easy for him. And then asks if we've ever played hockey.

Doing a backhand between-the-legs isn't probably the easiest move to complete, at least if you have one of the Liiga's best all around defenders in front of you.

 

[BB88]

Yes, Auston Matthews.

Its really the Jets fans obsessing over him. And the Finns of course, who I'm not sure if there obsessing over him because he's just that darn good, or because he's Finnish.

Hmm why I have a feeling you are leaving something out of that.


Actually we don't have that many Jets here, and don't think they are overhyping him that much, they are probably still partying after winning the Laine pick, Laine is a special player and their 1st high pick.

If you honestly read this this is Finns vs Leafs fans.
We have few overhyping Finns here which is frustrating, but we have lot of Leafs fan who'll only post negative comments about Laine and of course you are going to get a reply to those.

 

[BusQuets]

Yeah of all the things to be excited, "dekeing" is dead last in my list. It just doesn't work in NHL effectively enough. You hardly see players go through defenders with dekes anymore. The best 1on1 players in these days seems to be guys like Wheeler and other big guys with elite skating.

 

[Gsus]

But look at this thread, its littered with Finns.

And a couple of Leafs fans including a guy that says he could execute the exact same move that Laine did in Liiga finals. He did that as a 12yo kid and it's easy for him. And then asks if we've ever played hockey.

Doing a backhand between-the-legs isn't probably the easiest move to complete, at least if you have one of the Liiga's best all around defenders in front of you.

It would be basically the same thing if I went to the Matthews thread and claimed he can't shoot.

 

[ijuka]

Some weak 1v1 in this video at 3:46-3:50 and at 4:25-4:45 and at 5:41-5:48 and at 7:32-7:37 and at 8:12-8:14 and at 8:33-8:40 and at 8:43-8:46 and at 9:01-9:05 and at 9:10-9:14 and at 9:49-9:53 and at 10:08-10:14 and at 10:35-10:38 and at 10:40-10:46 and at 11:42-11:55:




It's interesting how during Liiga semifinals the analyzing commentator said something along the lines of: "It's strange how Kärpät doesn't play Laine out(or off the puck?) here. Tappara has used the same opening throughout the season, they get the puck to Laine in full speed and his skill level in 1v1 is so high that he's extremely difficult for any defenseman to stop." At 17 years of age. yet apparently 1v1 is a weakness of his.

 

[CashMash]

I'm just so tired of clearly uninformed people coming in here making claims. At least read scouting reports, draft rankings and watch multiple highlight reels and/or shifts before commenting. That saves up a lot of trouble. People aren't going to bother digging up those things for you. I know I won't bother with it. I'm writing an essay for uni, so I should be working atm anyways.

 

[Huffer]

Yes, Auston Matthews.

Its really the Jets fans obsessing over him. And the Finns of course, who I'm not sure if there obsessing over him because he's just that darn good, or because he's Finnish.

Wrong, barely any Jets fans are even posting in these threads compared to the total amount of posts.

Hmm why I have a feeling you are leaving something out of that.


Actually we don't have that many Jets here, and don't think they are overhyping him that much, they are probably still partying after winning the Laine pick, Laine is a special player and their 1st high pick.

If you honestly read this this is Finns vs Leafs fans.
We have few overhyping Finns here which is frustrating, but we have lot of Leafs fan who'll only post negative comments about Laine and of course you are going to get a reply to those.

Agreed. Going from 6 to 2 was huge. Whether it's Laine or Puljujarvi we're still happy with the significant talent jump.

 

[CashMash]

Is that supposed to be super impressive? He can do fancy looking in-between-the-legs moves all he wants but I don't think he will ever be that effective rush player due to his speed. When he gets it going he can be very dangerous, but it gets a while for him to get to full speed due to his weak explosiveness and acceleration.

He lives off his shot from the point. I like about his confidence with the puck and how he challenges the d instead of shooting or dumbing in (I actually wish Puljujärvi would do that more frequently), but I don't see him becoming a dangerous 1-on-1 player.

Agreed on the acceleration, but saying he lives off his shot from the point makes it seem like that's all he has, when he is a good passer, has good IQ and positioning to find open seams. There is a reason he is ranked number 2 in a draft where the top 3 are all considered elite players. He has a big body that he can use, along with his tremendous reach, to shield the puck and get past players.

 

[ijuka]

And a couple of Leafs fans including a guy that says he could execute the exact same move that Laine did in Liiga finals. He did that as a 12yo kid and it's easy for him. And then asks if we've ever played hockey.

Doing a backhand between-the-legs isn't probably the easiest move to complete, at least if you have one of the Liiga's best all around defenders in front of you.

It would be basically the same thing if I went to the Matthews thread and claimed he can't shoot.

That's not a backhand through his legs. It's a forehand with the stick turned around. Or well, it's a backhand from the forehand side?

It's not that difficult with a single touch but I haven't seen anyone else do it with 2 touches like that.

 

[Gsus]

That's not a backhand through his legs. It's a forehand with the stick turned around.

I mean he starts to pull the puck with his forehand, and then finishes it between his legs with the backhand side of his stick. Right?

 

[MardyBum]

Yes, Auston Matthews.

Its really the Jets fans obsessing over him. And the Finns of course, who I'm not sure if there obsessing over him because he's just that darn good, or because he's Finnish.

There's probably more posts in this thread from Leafs fans than Jets fans.

Most posts :

Fin
Leafs fan
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Neutral
Fin?
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Leafs fan
Fin
Neutral
Jets fan.

Hey, first Jets fan clocks in at #17 on the list for posts in this thread, tied with three more Leafs fans.

Leafs fans are posting in here more than us.

But yeah, we're the ones obsessed with Laine .

 

[FinRanger]

Dude it was one deke. And he didn’t even get by the defender. He was forced to the outside where he took a bad angle backhand shot.

It was a fine deke, but he’s not going to blow you away with his 1-on-1 skills on the rush.



This leads me to believe you’ve not played hockey much. That is one of the easiest dangles to execute, trust me. It’s a step above super easy since he didn’t pull it off his left skate. Still easy...

Well But Laine can execute it very well and has great reach etc why it is so effective. And why to change it if it works? When he he get`s faster you will see much more from him when it comes to 1 on 1. Also he can do other dekes also but that he uses pretty often.

And when talking about 1 on 1 and knowing that you are Matthews fan I would like to remind you that Matthews is not that good on 1 on 1 and Matthews likes to cycle the puck a lot and don`t drive to the slot. Why doesn`t Matthews use that easy deke?

 

[Big Easy]

There's probably more posts in this thread from Leafs fans than Jets fans.

Most posts :

Fin
Leafs fan
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Neutral
Fin?
Fin
Fin
Fin
Fin
Leafs fan
Fin
Neutral
Jets fan.

Hey, first Jets fan clocks in at #17 on the list for posts in this thread, tied with three more Leafs fans.

Leafs fans are posting in here more than us.

But yeah, we're the ones obsessed with Laine .

Well that sure is a lot of Finns.

And Toronto and Winnipeg are not the same size cities, nor do they have the same size fan bases

 

[Gsus]

And when talking about 1 on 1 and knowing that you are Matthews fan I would like to remind you that Matthews is not that good on 1 on 1 and Matthews likes to cycle the puck a lot and don`t drive to the slot. Why doesn`t Matthews use that easy deke?

I guess Matthews used that deke when he was 12 years old but figured out that it was way too easy for him and that's the reason he doesn't use it anymore.