I like at 3:38 or so, Laine nudges Matthews and points down: Dude, you are off your mark!
I like at 3:38 or so, Laine nudges Matthews and points down: Dude, you are off your mark!
Speaking of "when he doesn't have puck possession", I compiled a shift by shift type of a video of Patrik Laine so that you can see what he did in one game when he didn't have the puck. It's 6 and a half minutes long:
https://streamable.com/u72v
https://streamable.com/u72v
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
Can’t stop and start, is a very clear “floater” when he doesn’t have puck possession. But once he gets moving he flies, so I guess that’s why he “floats”. This really worries me at the next level and on smaller ice. A lot. Acceleration is greatly in question.
Has very weak 1-on-1 skills (at speed), though his puck possession in zone is great. Problems getting by defenders unless he can bully them or blow by them with speed in transition.
Is a shoot first player. Not to say his shot isn’t elite, because it is. I’m glad he uses it a lot, but would like to see a few more nice passes or just less shots from weak areas. Speaking of passing, it’s pretty average with minimal backhand ability.
Has very weak 1-on-1 skills (at speed), though his puck possession in zone is great. Problems getting by defenders unless he can bully them or blow by them with speed in transition.
Is a shoot first player. Not to say his shot isn’t elite, because it is. I’m glad he uses it a lot, but would like to see a few more nice passes or just less shots from weak areas. Speaking of passing, it’s pretty average with minimal backhand ability.
They are a bunch of kids who just spent the last 24 hours together travelling to San Jose and touring around: probably a great bonding experience for all of them!
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OkimLom
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His shot is probably the best shot in recent drafts, it's on the level of Ovie's shot.
After that he's pretty average if not below average in the other areas of being a hockey player. I don't think his shot makes up for the other weaknesses in his game. He seems to have mobility issues, he doesn't have that extra gear to separate himself from guys, he doesn't have a two-way game to him, which as a winger isn't as important as a center, but it's important to have. He's strong, but it's not a unique type of strength. In other words, he's able to withstand the punishment physically of playing in the NHL, but he's not a physical freak type of athlete like a Crosby or Tavares.
He's an amazing complimentary player, but he's not a cornerstone type of guy. He will be a very special player if he plays with a guy who drives the play, who can get Laine the time to get in the soft spots on the ice, and feed him the puck for one timers. IMO, a complimentary player is not someone you want to get with a top 5 pick.
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
Nash gets a bad rap but he's incredibly skilled and has produced at a high level on both the NHL and international stage. I think it's a fair comparison "stylistically" to Laine even though Laine has a better shot with lesser 1 on 1 skills.
I agree.
Laine is pronounced as Laine in Finnish ;-).
But yeah, Line-eh could be close enough. So first say Line and then add "eh", without that h of course...
Finnish language is strictly phonetic. That means that every letter is pronounced in every word similarly. If you can pronounce perfectly letters E, N, I, A and L in Finnish, you can pronounce also LAINE perfectly. Or other Finnish words such as aine, lanne, anna, linna, liina, alle & ale.
In English there are basically two different languages, written and spoken, whereas in Finland there is only one.
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
That entire clip he didn’t stop a single time. Circling turns might cut it in the FEL, but he’s gonna get reamed by an NHL coach if he doesn’t learn to start and stop at a higher level.
As said before, I can never understand the Nash comparison, really. He doesn't shoot that much, relies on getting up close, from what I have seen/remember.
Not that I disagree about him having to learn to accelerate from a full stop, but even at the very beginning of that video he does a full stop as he gets ready to one timer. So eh...
But how many times did he take the puck away, like 8 in a single game? Of course, that's something you'd ignore.
Gsus
MVP
You are not for real sir, are you?
Just check 6:40 of the video above. Very weak, indeed. And that's not his only deke. You can also see his WJC highlights (which you haven't probably seen yet since you made this ridiculous post).
I'm not surprised if this thread has been shiet for a long time, since we have posts like that^.
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
Stop and start. Stop and start. Not stop or start. Stop and start.
I’m pointing out genuine concerns I have regarding his game and his transition to the NHL.
Just because he can steal the puck well doesn’t mean he can accelerate..
You are not for real sir, are you?
Just check 6:40 of the video above. Very weak, indeed. And that's not his only deke.
I'm not surprised if this thread has been shiet for a long time, since we have posts like that^.
One sec I’ll watch
edit: Ok, not bad... but that’s a move I was doing when I was 12. And he did it pretty slow imo. Decent move to keep possession to the outside, but I still stand firm he can’t dangle 1-on-1 at speed.
edit2: you don’t need to assault me personally, I think I’ve raised very compelling points.
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
He did it pretty slow?
Did you even notice he hit the puck twice? First forward, then turned his stick the other way around and then through his legs. That's what fooled the defender. Watch it in slow-mo.
Gsus
MVP
I just meant it would be better if people (you in this case) actually knew what they were talking about. You don't make assumptions if you don't know what the case is.
I actually thought you're a troll, but found out pretty quickly that you are being serious with saying he has very weak 1on1 skills. That's laughable bro, because it's not the case at all. And yet people think Finns do the wrong here.
And I'm sure you did that dangle as a 12yo.
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
Dude it was one deke. And he didn’t even get by the defender. He was forced to the outside where he took a bad angle backhand shot.
It was a fine deke, but he’s not going to blow you away with his 1-on-1 skills on the rush.
I just meant it would be better if people (you in this case) actually knew what they were talking about. You don't make assumptions if you don't know what the case is.
I actually thought you're a troll, but found out pretty quickly that you are being serious with saying he has very weak 1on1 skills. That's laughable bro, because it's not the case at all. And yet people think Finns do the wrong here.
And I'm sure you did that dangle as a 12yo.
This leads me to believe you’ve not played hockey much. That is one of the easiest dangles to execute, trust me. It’s a step above super easy since he didn’t pull it off his left skate. Still easy...
BB88
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My point was that I doubt you get to hear/listen to him as much as we can and you pretend to be an expert on this.
No one is making what he did as a positive, but you keep punishing him for that and expect him to be the same, 2 years in his age is a long time.
He has admitted what he did and regrets it and got professional help, but again you just keep pushing for his attitude problems.
I see him as a Jet and hope the Jets pick him, but I allow the guy to have that dream.
I love watching both Pulju and Laine play, if I thought he had attitude problems I wouldn't say to Jets fans you are going to love Laine and he's a fantastic fit to the team, I'd then be saying Pulju is your guy.
TMLife*
Auston Matthews
Same move eh? Gonna stand pat on my opinion. That’s an easy deke to execute. And he played to the outside again.. not saying it’s bad, but maybe if he drove the net with it I’d be more impressed.
But the problem is that some of the points you are making don't make sense. He is good at getting other players faked out by using his reach. The only valid point you have is one that has been brought up multiple times, and that is his first steps.
So leafs fans are claiming that the finns/jets fans are in the wrong. You are literally coming here saying Laine can't deke on a 1on1. Pathetic... Other Leafs fans must feel really proud of you
