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LW Anthony Mantha - Val d'Or, QMJHL (2013, 20th overall, Detroit)

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When I saw Mantha play, he reminded me alot of Michael Ryder. A heck of a shot and if you give him a shot in the slot, he won't miss. He's got a nose for the net, he's a natural goal scorer. I'd love to see MTL add him in our prospect pool as we need more size upfront. (Hudon, Gallagher, Gionta, Desharnais just to name a few)
 
I really don't put much stock into redline reports(after they fooled me into thinking it might not be the best move to draft tavares when they rated him 3rd) but this made me laugh

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ief/2013/04/30/april-red-line-report/2125625/

FALLING

Anthony Mantha: Will never be accused of playing with too much intensity… or heart… or effort for that matter.
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-A couple of observations from the early stages of the Quebec League playoffs. First off, let us begin by saying that Val-d'Or winger Anthony Mantha is a first-round talent - no question. However, if we were drafting, say… 24th overall and Mantha was the highest rated player left on our board when it came time to make the pick? Well, let's just say we would somehow manage to find someone else we liked just a little bit better.

Honestly, does this guy even have a pulse? He plays with absolutely zero fire or passion and, as we like to say: If he ain't scorin', he ain't helpin'.

At a little more than 6-3, 200 pounds with great hands, you would think teams would be lining up to take him in the top 10. And we honestly do believe that he could become a 30-goal scorer at the NHL level. But it would be the softest 30 goals in the history of goaldom. And somebody in your organization along the way would have to teach him how to at least spell the word "compete," because it's absolutely certain at this stage that he has no clue about the meaning of that word.
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neal is more physical and dirty

mantha is a tall lanky goal scorer who can be frustrating to watch

hes got scorer instinct for sure but he must be the kind of player who is not that much liked by his team mates hockey wise
 
VerySuperFamous said:
Is anyone else a little hesitant to draft him in the mid-first, since he's almost a 2012 draft player (one day off)?
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That's bad logic. There is a couple top rated players born in Oct 1994, should they be overlooked because they born so close to the cut off point for last year? I am fairly certain age is considered when projecting where a player is now and where they will be in the future, but it shouldn't be something to hold you back from drafting a player if you feel he will be good in the future.
 
For those who watched him a lot, would Eric Daze be a good comparison?

Similar size, shot and neither is very physical.
 
Going with an obvious and stupid question. If you had the choice to draft between Horvat or Mantha and needed to draft a player just based on pure offense production, who would you draft?
 
Evgeny Oliker said:
For those who watched him a lot, would Eric Daze be a good comparison?

Similar size, shot and neither is very physical.
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I can't say I watched a lot of Mantha but as a junior, Mantha is a better skater than Daze was. That said, I like the comparison. I think we could find other comparables for Mantha. Kids who score goals find their ways into the NHL despite their defficiencies. Also, on Mantha's physicality. Kid can be pretty physical at times, he just doesn't do it on a consistent basis. Personally, I'm fine with this. I'd much rather see him find soft spots and score goals than send guys 10 rows into the crowd.
 
7venbarschi said:
Going with an obvious and stupid question. If you had the choice to draft between Horvat or Mantha and needed to draft a player just based on pure offense production, who would you draft?
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Mantha, especially if it's based on "pure offense production".
 
Mathletic said:
I can't say I watched a lot of Mantha but as a junior, Mantha is a better skater than Daze was. That said, I like the comparison. I think we could find other comparables for Mantha. Kids who score goals find their ways into the NHL despite their defficiencies. Also, on Mantha's physicality. Kid can be pretty physical at times, he just doesn't do it on a consistent basis. Personally, I'm fine with this. I'd much rather see him find soft spots and score goals than send guys 10 rows into the crowd.
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I like Jeff Carter as a comparison. Great shot (although Carter's isn't as accurate as it once was), good speed, big but not overly physical, can play PK, tendency to float.
 
SnapVirus said:
Mantha = Latendresse.

No physicality. Can score goals.
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This is a ridiculous comparison, completely different players.

Firstly as the poster above mentioned, Lats was physical, his main issue was skating.

Secondly, Mantha is a fantastic skater.

If you want to compare with someone who's worn the Habs jersey and has a french name, Rene Bourque makes alot more sense.
 
Mantha is a very tricky pick. He is probably one of the top offensive players in the draft, and his size makes him seem that much better. But when someones will, effort level, and consistency is questioned, its hard to look past that.

And I do think age is a huge factor to consider. He put up 22g, 51 pts in 63gp last year where he missed the 2012 draft by a day. So if you look at his numbers when he was 17 last year, and compare them to the 17 year olds this year, his production might not be as impressive as it seems.
 
Anyone else get the feeling he could be this years Carter Ashton.. top scorer prospect with good skating but ever ends up putting 2 and 2 together?
 
Face Of Bear said:
Mantha is a very tricky pick. He is probably one of the top offensive players in the draft, and his size makes him seem that much better. But when someones will, effort level, and consistency is questioned, its hard to look past that.

And I do think age is a huge factor to consider. He put up 22g, 51 pts in 63gp last year where he missed the 2012 draft by a day. So if you look at his numbers when he was 17 last year, and compare them to the 17 year olds this year, his production might not be as impressive as it seems.
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But then, any team would be ecstatic if they had 'reached' for him in the second round last year and see him produce 50 goals to lead the Q in scoring this year. 50 goals is impressive and can't be diminished even if he's a late birth IMO.
 
JAVO16 said:
But then, any team would be ecstatic if they had 'reached' for him in the second round last year and see him produce 50 goals to lead the Q in scoring this year. 50 goals is impressive and can't be diminished even if he's a late birth IMO.
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Good point here.
 
zetterberg40 said:
Anyone else get the feeling he could be this years Carter Ashton.. top scorer prospect with good skating but ever ends up putting 2 and 2 together?
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No offense but Ashton never scored 50 at any level. Since January 2012, Mantha has been a scoring machine in the Q. He scored 19 goals in 25 games to end to 2011-2012 season. This year he scored 50 in 67. The only recent CHL 50-goal scorers in their draft year (or on pace to do so) were Sidney Crosby, Nail Yakupov, Jeff Skinner, John Tavares, Steven Stamkos, Patrick Kane, and Joffrey Lupul. Not saying he's on the same level as all those guys but still.

Also, Mantha is actually pretty consistent at what he does. Scoring goals. If you're looking for a big crushing forward who knocks the socks off every d-men on every shift you might be dissapointed. But, if like myself, you are pretty happy with guys a la Brett Hull or Jeff Carter and so on; guys who can score 30 goals year in and year out (despite all their defficiencies in their overall game), then I think you could be quite satisfied.

I often hear people scoff at those guys saying: "well he just scores goals and he brings nothing else to the table". I'm like, okay? but that's already a huge part of the game. Teams win games by scoring goals and preventing the opponent from scoring. If you have a guy who can score 1 every 2 or 3 games, you give yourself a good shot at winning games.
 
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Latendresse would probably be a great player today if he was not rushed and given hero status at such a young age. It ruined him IMO. If Mantha is a Latendresse then he could be great if managed properly.
 
Even if he doesn't hit much, bigger players are still generally harder to play against because they're harder to knock off the puck. The way he cuts to the net and his shot would make him a welcome addition to most teams.

Haven't been following the CHL as much as some for sure but seems like a good pick in the 15-25 range.

I expect there will be a lot of guys dropping and rising as there are so many players that are solid, I'm sure every team has a pretty different list.
 
Face Of Bear said:
Mantha is a very tricky pick. He is probably one of the top offensive players in the draft, and his size makes him seem that much better. But when someones will, effort level, and consistency is questioned, its hard to look past that.

And I do think age is a huge factor to consider. He put up 22g, 51 pts in 63gp last year where he missed the 2012 draft by a day. So if you look at his numbers when he was 17 last year, and compare them to the 17 year olds this year, his production might not be as impressive as it seems.
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Not sure about age factor as his age 17 season was his first season in the CHL while most 1995 born 2013 draft eligible played their second season during their age 17 year which has an impact on production too. Mantha was a late-bloomer. Grew about eight inches in one year as a teen so he was not always such a big guy. He is a late-bloomer which is not uncommon for tall players. In fact, in his Q draft year, he was not even on a Midget AAA team (played Espoir, basically Midget AA). Lastly, regarding the age factor, Hartman is 4 days younger than Mantha. Jones, Shinkaruk, Pulock and Monahan were all born 2-4 weeks after Mantha and yet no one talks about their age factor issues. Mantha's other flaws do remain yet he could be a great pick for a well-coached organization in the 20-25 range.
 
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