HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[BargainBinSpecial]

The cap sets the salary scale. If the cap doubles, salaries double.

No it doesn't. Again, the minimum salary increases by some 50k/yr. It all has to do with bad GM evaluations and desperation. GMs make mistakes and the salary cap is there to make them pay. That's why Anderson and Gallagher are still on the team. Hughes took a gamble on Slaf, he was the number 1 overall pick afterall.

Anything lower than a 2nd rounder, especially with the leadership on the ice of Guhle out for the remainder of the season, I keep Savard and let him go for nothing at the end of the season.

We already have 3 third rounders and 2 fourth rounders in 2025. How many more darts, that are likely to miss the board entirely, do you need?

At some point, it just becomes hate towards a player that isn't based in fact or logic...

You can attempt to package them all for a B/C type prospect and try to relaunch their career. I know they have Dach and Newhook, but it's worth the try.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Josh Anderson is going to have a huge value on the market.

You know, a team that wants to go far in the playoffs... We saw the Panthers how they won, we saw Vegas how they won, it takes a lot out of you!

I've rarely seen Josh Anderson skate as well as that, since he arrived with the Canadiens.

At 4 against 5, on the penalty kill, he's still very good, he goes to the net, he doesn't have the great touch of a scorer but he's capable of scoring goals, and then he's capable of punishing the opponent.

He's still signed for 2 years at $5.5 million, maybe the Canadiens should swallow a million or two, but that would add to Josh Anderson's value."

- Bob Hartley

On the third line, he's pretty effective. That's where a player of this type should be slanted anyways. He was never going to be a top 6 forward. A BargainBin special guarantee.

 

[HuGort]

Josh Anderson is going to have a huge value on the market.

You know, a team that wants to go far in the playoffs... We saw the Panthers how they won, we saw Vegas how they won, it takes a lot out of you!

I've rarely seen Josh Anderson skate as well as that, since he arrived with the Canadiens.

At 4 against 5, on the penalty kill, he's still very good, he goes to the net, he doesn't have the great touch of a scorer but he's capable of scoring goals, and then he's capable of punishing the opponent.

He's still signed for 2 years at $5.5 million, maybe the Canadiens should swallow a million or two, but that would add to Josh Anderson's value."

- Bob Hartley

Canadiens small team, we need Anderson

 

[DAChampion]

On the third line, he's pretty effective. That's where a player of this type should be slanted anyways. He was never going to be a top 6 forward. A BargainBin special guarantee.

Anderson played as a top six forward when he was brought in, he was a major help during the quarantine.

 

[yianik]

When Gainey came in he had a belief that short term contracts were best for both team and player since the contract would reflect the players more current play on ice. Unfortunately his philosophy didn't work at a time when players had leverage to simply leave.

He also had a belief not to negotiate a contract during the season as it was too distracting for a player. He felt that if the team wanted the player and the player wanted to stay, a contract would be worked out while the team had " exclusive negotiating rights to the players."

He gave up too many draft picks to constantly plug holes with short term fixes.

Gomez fiasco.

On the positive he brought dignity back to the team, did make some good moves and was competent enough to drag us from oblivion.

Gainey was a middling GM, regardless of his tragedy. Very good guy though.

 

[Kosseca]

I'm not over-valuing Savard. I'd keep him because he has a calming effect beyond just the D-squad and because, that, compared to getting nothing back in a deal, is more valuable.

The only value I see in calling up youngsters to play D on a team in disarray because they lost Guhle for the rest of the season is if you're looking to tank.

I don't think that tanking is useful for this team that is still trying to progress and Mailloux has already been recalled, along with Beck.

Once Mailloux has been re-evaluated, I think that calling Engstrom up to see what he has in him at the NHL level would also be a good thing.

I expect to see Carrier on the right side alongside Hutson and Matheson back on his natural side, with Mailloux alongside Xhekaj, perhaps.

Hutson - Carrier
Matheson - Savard
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Everyone is over their heads with Guhle out, but I don't see anything or anyone else improving things, really, as a response to Guhle being out with an injury.

you keep savard as a 7d, any bigger role mean a weaker D group

 

[DAChampion]

He took a team that missed the playoffs in 4 of the past 5 seasons and turned them into a team that made the playoffs in 4 of the next 5 seasons. It's not some amazing feat but it's something a lot of GMs in similar situations try and fail to do.

And in terms of the GMs before and after he's clearly one of the better ones.

The Habs did improve under Gainey, but that was largely due to positive momentum from the 1998 draft and the fact that Andre Savard was already turning the team around.

Gainey also had some good moves, like bringing in Kovalev, bringing in Hamrlik, trading Rivet for Gorges and a 1st, trading for Tanguay, and hiring Jacques Martin.

But he had significant failings.

He didn't negotiate contracts during the season. So the team ended up losing a lot of good players for nothing. Sourray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, etc.

He was too trusting. He expected other GMs to be nice and not take Beauchemin and Hainsey, silly.

He bought at the 2009 deadline when the 2008 deadline was more important.

He was obsessed with getting a center, but he failed. There were circuses around Sundin and Lecavalier. He then overpaid for Gomez. I understand getting Gomez, but he didn't need to overpay.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Anderson played as a top six forward when he was brought in, he was a major help during the quarantine.

I don't think so.

 

[Sorinth]

The Habs did improve under Gainey, but that was largely due to positive momentum from the 1998 draft and the fact that Andre Savard was already turning the team around.

Gainey also had some good moves, like bringing in Kovalev, bringing in Hamrlik, trading Rivet for Gorges and a 1st, trading for Tanguay, and hiring Jacques Martin.

But he had significant failings.

He didn't negotiate contracts during the season. So the team ended up losing a lot of good players for nothing. Sourray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, etc.

He was too trusting. He expected other GMs to be nice and not take Beauchemin and Hainsey, silly.

He bought at the 2009 deadline when the 2008 deadline was more important.

He was obsessed with getting a center, but he failed. There were circuses around Sundin and Lecavalier. He then overpaid for Gomez. I understand getting Gomez, but he didn't need to overpay.

I liked what Savard was doing but we can't really judge him beyond his intent, yes he started a sort of rebuild which was good, but making the team worse by selling is the easy part of a rebuild, it's building it back up that is the hard part of a rebuild and we have no idea if Savard would have done that successfully or not. It's the area that many many GMs fail at, and often requires a Crosby or McDavid to come along and carry the team.

We ended up playing the 6th most playoff games in the NHL during Gainey's term as GM (Including the season he started but didn't finish), which given where we started is extremely impressive. He wasn't perfect and yeah lots of bad moves, but even the best GMs have lots of bad moves to their name, it's not the bad moves that define you it's what you have built, and Gainey built a team that would consistently punch above their weight, and left a strong foundation to continue building on.

We've seen it ourselves recently just how hard it can be to stop being a bad team, and we've seen it with team after team who announce the rebuild is over but still can't make the playoffs with any kind of consistency. People undersell how difficult it is.

 

[1000eeer]

PLAN A :

- Trade for a promising two-way RHD : Simon Nemec (Mailloux + calgary's first round pick)
- Sign Nik Ehlers
- Sign Sam Bennett as our third line center.
- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard, Anderson and buy back Gallagher.



Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Dach - Laine
Newhook - Bennett - Demidov
Armia - Evans - Heineman

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson- Guhle
Xhekaj - Nemec
Reinbacher = Full year with Laval Rocket.


Sunday's always a good day to be dreaming

 

[Whitesnake]

Okay Canes...what do you need.....okay...let say we give you Armia, Dvorak, Evans for 1 prospect of your choosing.....that has a first name that starts with Alex...and a last name that ends with kishin.

 

[WinterLion]

The Habs did improve under Gainey, but that was largely due to positive momentum from the 1998 draft and the fact that Andre Savard was already turning the team around.

Gainey also had some good moves, like bringing in Kovalev, bringing in Hamrlik, trading Rivet for Gorges and a 1st, trading for Tanguay, and hiring Jacques Martin.

But he had significant failings.

He didn't negotiate contracts during the season. So the team ended up losing a lot of good players for nothing. Sourray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, etc.

He was too trusting. He expected other GMs to be nice and not take Beauchemin and Hainsey, silly.

He bought at the 2009 deadline when the 2008 deadline was more important.

He was obsessed with getting a center, but he failed. There were circuses around Sundin and Lecavalier. He then overpaid for Gomez. I understand getting Gomez, but he didn't need to overpay.

Gainey was a major part of making the team respectable around the league once again. He started building a proper scouting & development staff, worked on the facilities and many of the more invisible aspects of the organization.

He was very old school, but was definitely a team and players first guy. His asset management was terrible... but he also was dealing with an owner who was trying to sell the team at a profit.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

PLAN A :

- Trade for a promising two-way RHD : Simon Nemec (Mailloux + calgary's first round pick)
- Sign Nik Ehlers
- Sign Yanni Gourde as our third/second line center
- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard, Anderson and buy back Gallagher.



Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Gourde - Laine
Newhook - Dach - Demidov
Armia - Evans - Heineman

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson- Guhle
Xhekaj - Nemec
Reinbacher = Full year with Laval Rocket.


Sunday's always a good day to be dreaming

Gourde is having hernia surgery. He is done.

 

[Sterling Archer]

PLAN A :

- Trade for a promising two-way RHD : Simon Nemec (Mailloux + calgary's first round pick)
- Sign Nik Ehlers
- Sign Yanni Gourde as our third/second line center
- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard, Anderson and buy back Gallagher.



Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Gourde - Laine
Newhook - Dach - Demidov
Armia - Evans - Heineman

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson- Guhle
Xhekaj - Nemec
Reinbacher = Full year with Laval Rocket.


Sunday's always a good day to be dreaming

You need better dreams.

 

[Egresch]

Canadiens small team, we need Anderson

I would love to have Anderson-Gourde-Olivier next year. That would scare the whole league.

 

[1000eeer]

You need better dreams.

Then, share your dreams buddy!

 

[Egresch]

Gourde is having hernia surgery. He is done.

Do you think it would have long-term effect? This season, sure, but heshould be ok for next year.

 

[HuGort]

When Gainey came in he had a belief that short term contracts were best for both team and player since the contract would reflect the players more current play on ice. Unfortunately his philosophy didn't work at a time when players had leverage to simply leave.

He also had a belief not to negotiate a contract during the season as it was too distracting for a player. He felt that if the team wanted the player and the player wanted to stay, a contract would be worked out while the team had " exclusive negotiating rights to the players."

He gave up too many draft picks to constantly plug holes with short term fixes.

Gomez fiasco.

On the positive he brought dignity back to the team, did make some good moves and was competent enough to drag us from oblivion.

Gainey was a middling GM, regardless of his tragedy. Very good guy though.

We were headed in right direction until that tragedy. After that he bought in Pierre Gauthier and it started down hill. I think we good shot at Cup in '06 if not for Koivu eye injury. It seemed to turn the tide

 

[Sasha Orlov]

PLAN A :

- Trade for a promising two-way RHD : Simon Nemec (Mailloux + calgary's first round pick)
- Sign Nik Ehlers
- Sign Sam Bennett as our third line center.
- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard, Anderson and buy back Gallagher.



Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Dach - Laine
Newhook - Bennett - Demidov
Armia - Evans - Heineman

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson- Guhle
Xhekaj - Nemec
Reinbacher = Full year with Laval Rocket.


Sunday's always a good day to be dreaming

Bro dreams of still not making the playoffs

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

PLAN A :

- Trade for a promising two-way RHD : Simon Nemec (Mailloux + calgary's first round pick)
- Sign Nik Ehlers
- Sign Sam Bennett as our third line center.
- Get rid of Dvorak, Savard, Anderson and buy back Gallagher.



Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Ehlers - Dach - Laine
Newhook - Bennett - Demidov
Armia - Evans - Heineman

Matheson - Carrier
Hutson- Guhle
Xhekaj - Nemec
Reinbacher = Full year with Laval Rocket.


Sunday's always a good day to be dreaming

Ehlers is going to be expensive and isn't that good in the playoffs. While he doesn't play small, he gets hurt somewhat often.

Why are the Habs signing Bennett to be the 3rd line centre at like 7 mill while the 2nd line centre isn't fixed ?

I don't think Nemec has asked for a trade, so there's a good chance he gets on the team next season,.so have to imagine the Devils just keep him.

 

[sampollock]

Canadiens small team, we need Anderson

a problem for this club for years and years
they get pushed around... arbor cant do it alone anymore

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Do you think it would have long-term effect? This season, sure, but heshould be ok for next year.

It depends. if he is a very good skater he may become an average skater. Cheechoo had sports hernia surgery and went from slow to stationary and was done.

a problem for this club for years and years
they get pushed around... arbor cant do it alone anymore

True. if they get an offer they can't refuse for Anderson they have to find at least a Rempe type player to replace him until F Xhekaj and Tuch are ready.

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux
1st(CGY)

For

Simon Nemec
Nolan Foote
2nd

---------------

Mike Matheson
Brendan Gallagher - bought out if not agreeing.
2nd round pick
2nd round pick

For

Seth Jones
Lukas Reichel
Colton Dach


Joel Armia

For

2nd-3rd from Contender


Sign:

Mathieu Olivier
Trent Frederic
Andreas Englund

Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Olivier
Reichel Frederic Heineman
Foote Dach

Hutson Jones
Guhle Nemec
Xhekaj Carrier
Englund

 

[sampollock]

Jake Evans
Logan Mailloux
1st(CGY)

For

Simon Nemec
Nolan Foote
2nd

---------------

Mike Matheson
Brendan Gallagher - bought out if not agreeing.
2nd round pick
2nd round pick

For

Seth Jones
Lukas Reichel
Colton Dach


Joel Armia

For

2nd-3rd from Contender


Sign:

Mathieu Olivier
Trent Frederic
Andreas Englund

Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield
Laine Dach Demidov
Anderson Newhook Olivier
Reichel Frederic Heineman
Foote Dach

Hutson Jones
Guhle Nemec
Xhekaj Carrier
Englund

thats a lot of movement

 

[CHfan1]

I mean if Evans is asking for 4x4 you trade him and use the assets on someone else. There's no way a 4th line center should be getting 4 million even if he's money on the PK.

I’d still offer Evans 4X4. Going into next offseason they only have Suzuki as a veteran centre (and maybe Dach). Evans does a lot of things I would expect out of a bottom 6 centre.

-He’s good defensively
-MSL puts him on the ice at the end of games to protect leads
-Can win face-offs
-Really good on the PK (I’m still not sure who plays the PK next season if Montreal moves on from Dvorak (which they should), Armia, and Evans
-Chips in offensively

Also with the cap increasing past $100 million in the next few seasons I don’t see Montreal having any cap problems, especially with Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, and Guhle already signed long term.

In 3-4 years if Beck, Kapanen, or Hage take over centre Evans can always be moved to wing.