HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #89: 2024-2025 season part II

[EXPOS123]

It's not always about picks. You have to balance what that player means to you now. In Savard's case specifically, he may be an upcoming UFA, but as I mentioned, he's been good for the young players that he can still contribute. Now if they end up getting an offer that's too irresistible, then you move him. But in my opinion, I don't think a 3rd round pick is enough of an incentive to let go of him.



For once? All they've been doing for years now is build up a stock pile of picks and prospects. In the last 3 drafts (the HuGo/Bobrov/Lapointe era), they've drafted 30 players. And they used a bunch of picks for trades and even move up.

Even under MB, they selected 38 players in the 4 drafts before HuGo came on board.

For oncv


If you remember that year, Habs were very much in the mix until the end. They missed the playoffs by 2 points. In fact, they got eliminated in the last game of the year. So Benn was their own rental. It would have been a terrible move to be a seller and trade any UFA.

This is what I am saying - when I say for once, I meant since this new regime has been in charge.

Please don’t mention Bozovin - the guy was a complete idiot. The reason we had so many picks with that moron was that he would trade higher round picks for multiple lower ones. Stockpiling 5th 6th, 7th round picks is not not the same as stockpiling 2nds, 3rds and even 4ths.

How do you think we got Hage ?

We traded a second rounder along with our first because we had multiple thirds.

I don’t think people truly appreciate enough how having multiple high round picks is a a very good thing. It gives you so many more options which I already mentioned ( move up in the draft, trades, or even developing depth by using them.)

There is no such thing as having too many, although I should qualify this by saying having too many picks rounds 1 to 4, as accumulating anything lower like Bozovin did Is not worth it

You make a good point about Benn, but if I recall correctly, weren’t there rumors of a late first rounder or second rounder for him ? If that was the case i still maintain it was a mistake to keep him as even if they made the playoffs they were going nowhere.

Savard is not Bourque near his end. He is a mediocre stay at home dman on his last legs who can barely keep up.

I really don’t think he moves the needle with regards to helping the young guys.

If teams value his playoff experience then all the better

I will give you this though, if it’s an offer of anything lower than a fourth rounder then yes I would keep him as well

 

[sampollock]

No trades from KH
Good
Ketp the 1st picks

 

[BLONG7]

The cap this year is $88.5M and our actual salaries are $87.8M. This is an indication that Molson will spend.

I'll make a bet with you that we will spend to the max cap or close to it? Salary cap AAV's will be very close to the max cap and actual salaries can vary. That is hard to track year/year. I just showed you the actual salaries for this season as an example.

To be clear, Molson will spend max cap but it's connected to our rise up the standings. We are not going to spend our cap space just for the sake of it.

Spending to the cap........and dealing with the weak dollar is going to be tough moving forward.
Glad the cap is moving up, but the poor Cdn franchises having to deal with that, and the players getting taxed to the nines, and the stability of the Cdn franchises is going to be under some scrutiny, and tough times ahead.
The revenue created by the Cdn franchises is going to have to be creative, or ask Mr Bettman for some kind of a level playing field??

 

[Scriptor]

This is what I am saying - when I say for once, I meant since this new regime has been in charge.

Please don’t mention Bozovin - the guy was a complete idiot. The reason we had so many picks with that moron was that he would trade higher round picks for multiple lower ones. Stockpiling 5th 6th, 7th round picks is not not the same as stockpiling 2nds, 3rds and even 4ths.

How do you think we got Hage ?

We traded a second rounder along with our first because we had multiple thirds.

I don’t think people truly appreciate enough how having multiple high round picks is a a very good thing. It gives you so many more options which I already mentioned ( move up in the draft, trades, or even developing depth by using them.)

There is no such thing as having too many, although I should qualify this by saying having too many picks rounds 1 to 4, as accumulating anything lower like Bozovin did Is not worth it

You make a good point about Benn, but if I recall correctly, weren’t there rumors of a late first rounder or second rounder for him ? If that was the case i still maintain it was a mistake to keep him as even if they made the playoffs they were going nowhere.

Savard is not Bourque near his end. He is a mediocre stay at home dman on his last legs who can barely keep up.

I really don’t think he moves the needle with regards to helping the young guys.

If teams value his playoff experience then all the better

I will give you this though, if it’s an offer of anything lower than a fourth rounder then yes I would keep him as well

Anything lower than a 2nd rounder, especially with the leadership on the ice of Guhle out for the remainder of the season, I keep Savard and let him go for nothing at the end of the season.

We already have 3 third rounders and 2 fourth rounders in 2025. How many more darts, that are likely to miss the board entirely, do you need?

At some point, it just becomes hate towards a player that isn't based in fact or logic...

 

[sampollock]

Low dollar will hurt Canadian teams

 

[Scriptor]

Spending to the cap........and dealing with the weak dollar is going to be tough moving forward.
Glad the cap is moving up, but the poor Cdn franchises having to deal with that, and the players getting taxed to the nines, and the stability of the Cdn franchises is going to be under some scrutiny, and tough times ahead.
The revenue created by the Cdn franchises is going to have to be creative, or ask Mr Bettman for some kind of a level playing field??

There will need to be a fund designed to level the playing field when it comes to some Canadian franchises, but, for some of them, they still will make more revenue than a majority of US franchises after taking into account the exchange rate for the Canadian dollar VS the US dollar.

Low dollar will hurt Canadian teams

It will, as always, affect the profits of Canadian teams, but not all Canadian teams will risk getting crippled by it.

Nonetheless, there should be a fund for that, to help level the playing field between US and Canadian franchises.

 

[sampollock]

There will need to be a fund designed to level the playing field when it comes to some Canadian franchises, but, for some of them, they still will make more revenue than a majority of US franchises after taking into account the exchange rate for the Canadian dollar VS the US dollar.


It will, as always, affect the profits of Canadian teams, but not all Canadian teams will risk getting crippled by it.

Nonetheless, there should be a fund for that, to help level the playing field between US and Canadian franchises.

And from what I understand the Quebec tax also hurts the Canadians

 

[sampollock]

Josh Anderson is going to have a huge value on the market.

You know, a team that wants to go far in the playoffs... We saw the Panthers how they won, we saw Vegas how they won, it takes a lot out of you!

I've rarely seen Josh Anderson skate as well as that, since he arrived with the Canadiens.

At 4 against 5, on the penalty kill, he's still very good, he goes to the net, he doesn't have the great touch of a scorer but he's capable of scoring goals, and then he's capable of punishing the opponent.

He's still signed for 2 years at $5.5 million, maybe the Canadiens should swallow a million or two, but that would add to Josh Anderson's value."

- Bob Hartley

 

[electron58]

What do you think of getting Seth Jones?

Bad attitude.
Weak passes.
Constantly caught out of position.
Now, is it because he's on a horrible team?
oh, & $9,500,000 per season. No Thanks. Even with retention!

 

[electron58]

Gainey did the same thing for years, that walking turd couldn't sign a top 6 player for all of Koivus career. After Kovalev he just disconnected the phone

Gainey’s inability to negotiate during the season “to avoid distractions” was an incredible sign of his ineptness and lack of ambition.

These points I agree on. Although when in Gainey's term, did he lose his daughter? That was a sad time.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Gainey’s inability to negotiate during the season “to avoid distractions” was an incredible sign of his ineptness and lack of ambition.

Everything else makes sense when you consider that we acquired a tottering old man as a GM.

He just wanted to make everybody feel good and return the spirit (artificial) and make current fans feel connected to the old dynasty days. Ended up being charming PR, but a bad GM.

What is this garbage????

 

[DAChampion]

What is this garbage????

Gainey was mediocre.