Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[TML g u n n e R s*]

lol well if you were youd would have been fired after asking MLSE if that was ok

how is that overpayment for stamkos?

 

[jrgtml67]

how is that overpayment for stamkos?

we were talking bout luongo or benn when did stammer enter the fray

 

[TML g u n n e R s*]

we were talking bout luongo or benn when did stammer enter the fray

i set my self up for that.. i never said who the deal was for

 

[Stephen]

yes.....cpl reports that leafs arent just looking at luongo and i have inside info saying they have talked to pitts about MAF but for obvious reason pitts is in no rush

Obviously a tantalizing option given that he's a year older than Ben Scrivens and has a Cup win under his belt, but is a bit of a flake and might not be the backbone we'd need him to be. I wonder what Pittsburgh would be interested in? Scoring wingers?

 

[jrgtml67]

i set my self up for that.. i never said who the deal was for

well you should make it realistic....or your just on here for no reason? lol

so frustrated with this NHL garbage lately...first the lockout standoff...then media gives fans hope in seeing some big deals go down and nothing yet.

Burke gets fired MLSE tries to say it was a leadership change...meanwhile nonis is not much different then Burke...then we sign Mottau which makes zero sense to me unless someone in Marlies is a lock to make the big squad or is included in a deal. The only thing that I can think of is there is a lot for teams to do in a short time to be ready for the season start and obviously bigger deals take a bit more time then minor ones....always seems like we are waiting esp as leaf fans

 

[TML g u n n e R s*]

well you should make it realistic....or your just on here for no reason? lol

so frustrated with this NHL garbage lately...first the lockout standoff...then media gives fans hope in seeing some big deals go down and nothing yet.

Burke gets fired MLSE tries to say it was a leadership change...meanwhile nonis is not much different then Burke...then we sign Mottau which makes zero sense to me unless someone in Marlies is a lock to make the big squad or is included in a deal. The only thing that I can think of is there is a lot for teams to do in a short time to be ready for the season start and obviously bigger deals take a bit more time then minor ones....always seems like we are waiting esp as leaf fans

wait your on this site to make the best proposals and hopefully get scouted by a NHL team to become the next GM

 

[jrgtml67]

Obviously a tantalizing option given that he's a year older than Ben Scrivens and has a Cup win under his belt, but is a bit of a flake and might not be the backbone we'd need him to be. I wonder what Pittsburgh would be interested in? Scoring wingers?

D fence probably they are weak back there only really have Kris Letang....but I would think they would want Kulie and pair him with Geno...MAF isnt a flake he carried Pitts to two finals and won one of them and took the other into OT in game 7.

His age is perfect for us his contract isnt as big and bad as Luongos...though Luongo is the better goalie MAF fits better long term

 

[KuleminFan41]

Benn isnt worth Reilly or Gardiner he just had a break out year and ya he is good but if we dont wanna give up either for an allstar goalie in Luongo good luck giving either up for Benn...now Gunnarsson that would be a guy that Dallas may want

Benn has been pretty consistent contributor for Dallas

09-10 - 82 games 22 goals 19 assists 41 points
10-11 - 69 games 22 goals 34 assists 56 points
11-12 - 71 games 26 goals 37 assists 63 points

Hardly "just had" a break out year.

 

[Ruski]

Benn has been pretty consistent contributor for Dallas

09-10 - 82 games 22 goals 19 assists 41 points
10-11 - 69 games 22 goals 34 assists 56 points
11-12 - 71 games 26 goals 37 assists 63 points

Hardly "just had" a break out year.

Benn is a serious talent! Anyone who says different hasn't watched him play. I would give up tons for this kid....not only is he young, he has grown in huge strides the last few years.

Not to mention he is exactly the type of player Carlyle loves.

However, Dallas aint stupid and they know what an asset Benn is, so i don't know what type of package the Leafs can put together to even tempt Dallas.

Rumors of Montreal swapping Subban for Benn (out of Eklund land), i doubt Dallas even considers this deal unless Montreal adds another major piece (i.e. 1st round pick). Thats how high i believe Dallas is on Benn.

 

[jrgtml67]

Benn has been pretty consistent contributor for Dallas

09-10 - 82 games 22 goals 19 assists 41 points
10-11 - 69 games 22 goals 34 assists 56 points
11-12 - 71 games 26 goals 37 assists 63 points

Hardly "just had" a break out year.

I see your point but still if we wont give that for Luongo we wont give that for Benn...those stats are funny cause Kessel's are better


2009-2010--70 games 30 goals 25 assists 55pts

2010-2011--82 games 32 goals 32 assists 64 pts

2011- 2012--82 games 37 goals 45 assists 82pts

Funny how Kessel deal is scrutinized so hardcore and how ppl are willing to give guys like Gardiner and Reilly for Benn...when we have a better player already and would say no team would give us say Nail Yakupov Grigs Galenychuk etc etc

 

[Tak7]

But you really gotta wonder...if we dont get him before game one of the season if we get him at all? I think the window is between now and saturday and if not Reimer would have to crap the bed in first 10 games for Nonis to say omfg we need to upgrade in net.

All depends on what sort of mandate Nonis is under.

We don't know whether the owners/board have spelled anything out to Nonis as far as season expectations go.

If he's under no pressure, and the mandate or expectation is for this team to continue to improve without burning any of their young assets (ie. see what we have, and if we tank, then so be it), then I don't think it matters at all what sort of start Reimer has.

What I will say is that I think it's in both party's interests to get a deal done before Saturday, if indeed, the Leafs want him.

While the tandem of Luongo and Schneider would be very good in Vancouver, you can be sure that Gillis won't want the typical media circus surrounding his two goalies - they made a very conscious, loud, and robust statement in the playoffs last year that said Schneider is our guy moving forward; I think they will want to do everything in their power to make sure Schneider is comfortable in that situation - ie. ensure that the guy who's job he took, isn't sitting in the stall next to his answering questions every time Schneider has a bad game.

That's just not a healthy environment. That's why I've always believed Luongo would be moved. The reason he hasn't, is likely because Gillis' asking price is too high and fair play to him.

 

[Eyedea]

I see your point but still if we wont give that for Luongo we wont give that for Benn...those stats are funny cause Kessel's are better


2009-2010--70 games 30 goals 25 assists 55pts

2010-2011--82 games 32 goals 32 assists 64 pts

2011- 2012--82 games 37 goals 45 assists 82pts

Funny how Kessel deal is scrutinized so hardcore and how ppl are willing to give guys like Gardiner and Reilly for Benn...when we have a better player already and would say no team would give us say Nail Yakupov Grigs Galenychuk etc etc

Kessel is roughly two years older than him, not to mention their styles are pretty different. Benn can play a consistent 200ft game, give up the body and go to the corners. Kessel is fast, with elite shooting and above average playmaking skills. I'd say both players games would compliment each other quite well, especially if Benn would be the #1 centre. However it'd be highly unlikely that we can package anything that Dallas would be interested in unless Gardiner and our 1st are going their way.

Personally I would do that deal, especially if Getzlaf isn't in the plans this off season, but we'd want to (or at least should) keep as well as acquire any first round pick in this upcoming draft.

 

[jrgtml67]

All depends on what sort of mandate Nonis is under.

We don't know whether the owners/board have spelled anything out to Nonis as far as season expectations go.

If he's under no pressure, and the mandate or expectation is for this team to continue to improve without burning any of their young assets (ie. see what we have, and if we tank, then so be it), then I don't think it matters at all what sort of start Reimer has.

What I will say is that I think it's in both party's interests to get a deal done before Saturday, if indeed, the Leafs want him.

While the tandem of Luongo and Schneider would be very good in Vancouver, you can be sure that Gillis won't want the typical media circus surrounding his two goalies - they made a very conscious, loud, and robust statement in the playoffs last year that said Schneider is our guy moving forward; I think they will want to do everything in their power to make sure Schneider is comfortable in that situation - ie. ensure that the guy who's job he took, isn't sitting in the stall next to his answering questions every time Schneider has a bad game.

That's just not a healthy environment. That's why I've always believed Luongo would be moved. The reason he hasn't, is likely because Gillis' asking price is too high and fair play to him.

the leafs do want him its how bad do they want him

 

[BlueForever]

Benn has been pretty consistent contributor for Dallas

09-10 - 82 games 22 goals 19 assists 41 points
10-11 - 69 games 22 goals 34 assists 56 points
11-12 - 71 games 26 goals 37 assists 63 points

Hardly "just had" a break out year.

Listen I dont know about you but Riely and Gardiner have the makings to be a MacInnis and Suter. For the life of me I have no idea why anyone would want to even think remotely of off loading any one of these guys.

There are lots of Benns out there. We saw it for a short while with Kaberle and McCabe. Two gifted offensive defensmen can be an asset. We look to have some keepeers there. Focus on building up the forwards and goal with better prospects through draft and trades. And leave our D alone. I didnt like the trade of Aulie. We should have kept him. How good would Gardiner, Aulie, Phaneuf, Gunnersson, Reily, Franson and Holzer look in about 3 years???? Not to mention Percy or others we still have.

Liles, Komisarek those are stop gaps. Roles that when you are a contender you can offload assets because of built farm system to re-acquired veteran leadership.

Kessel, Frattin, Kulemin, Kadri, JVR, Lupol those are good young players. Players in three years you can build around. Get that stud centerman and stud goalie. Trust me in 2 years you will be a contender, and for a long time.

 

[Tak7]

the leafs do want him its how bad do they want him

The blatantly obvious nature of your post is both shocking and hilarious.

 

[Ron Wilson*]

Nonis has the freedom to do his thing, but he is given a clear direction by Bell/Rogers as to where/what they want out of TML. I am sure the board and Nonis both agree Luongo is not the answer.

To me personally, Bell/Rogers want to rid the Leafs first of this American image. American GM, Kessel, etc... they want a Canadian image. Their market is Canadian, they want a nation wide team. Most of Canada hate the Leafs, they want to change that. More fans in Canada = more money overall. The Leafs brand, although still profitable, has taken some serious hits the past 7 years.

Expect Kessel gone in the next year or so, and maybe an out of the blue blockbuster. Bell/Rogers want a Stamkos, not Luongo. Not saying they will get Stammer, but you get the idea.

Luongo will not be here unless it's for something along the lines of a Bozak + Holzer + conditional 3rd if they make playoffs, 4th if they don't. Vancouver "fans" expecting Gards, Rielly, or even Kadri are laughable.

 

[jrgtml67]

Listen I dont know about you but Riely and Gardiner have the makings to be a MacInnis and Suter. For the life of me I have no idea why anyone would want to even think remotely of off loading any one of these guys.

There are lots of Benns out there. We saw it for a short while with Kaberle and McCabe. Two gifted offensive defensmen can be an asset. We look to have some keepeers there. Focus on building up the forwards and goal with better prospects through draft and trades. And leave our D alone. I didnt like the trade of Aulie. We should have kept him. How good would Gardiner, Aulie, Phaneuf, Gunnersson, Reily, Franson and Holzer look in about 3 years???? Not to mention Percy or others we still have.

Liles, Komisarek those are stop gaps. Roles that when you are a contender you can offload assets because of built farm system to re-acquired veteran leadership.

Kessel, Frattin, Kulemin, Kadri, JVR, Lupol those are good young players. Players in three years you can build around. Get that stud centerman and stud goalie. Trust me in 2 years you will be a contender, and for a long time.

Exactly....add to that Kessel is better then Benn as in goal scoring and pts totals...if we are letting gardiner or reilly go the only guy Nonis would even think of doing that for is Luongo and I dont think he would even want to do that

 

[Gryph]

Listen I dont know about you but Riely and Gardiner have the makings to be a MacInnis and Suter. For the life of me I have no idea why anyone would want to even think remotely of off loading any one of these guys.

There are lots of Benns out there. We saw it for a short while with Kaberle and McCabe. Two gifted offensive defensmen can be an asset. We look to have some keepeers there. Focus on building up the forwards and goal with better prospects through draft and trades. And leave our D alone. I didnt like the trade of Aulie. We should have kept him. How good would Gardiner, Aulie, Phaneuf, Gunnersson, Reily, Franson and Holzer look in about 3 years???? Not to mention Percy or others we still have.

Liles, Komisarek those are stop gaps. Roles that when you are a contender you can offload assets because of built farm system to re-acquired veteran leadership.

Kessel, Frattin, Kulemin, Kadri, JVR, Lupol those are good young players. Players in three years you can build around. Get that stud centerman and stud goalie. Trust me in 2 years you will be a contender, and for a long time.

IMO you are seriously overestimating Reilly and Gardiner. Yes they are both high quality prospects and will most likely be quality NHL players, but they are still prospects. If you have the chance to get a young and talented player like Benn, you do it.

 

[Tak7]

Switching things back to Luongo discussion here.

I'm genuinely surprised by how many people are against us making a (fair value) trade for Luongo here - one that doesn't compromise our future.

The benefits of landing him far outweigh the negatives.

Firstly - SPOILER ALERT; we need a goalie. In getting Luongo, you are getting one of the league's best. The school of thought that suggests that Luongo coming in would be bad for Scrivens and/or Reimer is baffling to me. I like Reimer - anyone who has seen the guy's interviews, knows just what a genuinely nice, well rounded, and polite kid he is. OF COURSE we want him to do well.

But do people really have hope in Reimer? I can't help but feel that it's a little misplaced; that it's less that people have HOPE in Reimer, and more that people HOPE that Reimer can do the job. Big difference. Would be a great story if he could. I'm not convinced, personally, that either Scrivens or Reimer will ever be elite goaltenders in this league.

What's Reimer's upside? I'm not quite sure - but what I am 99% sure, is that it won't ever be an elite-level goaltender. Reimer's name will never be on par with a Carey Price, or a Ryan Miller, or a Lundqvist, Quick, etc etc - goalies that have the elite tag in the NHL. The truth is, without elite goaltending in this league, you aren't going to win a cup. You need that sort of goaltending. Reimer won't provide that. Scrivens certainly won't - 26 year old who has stumbled into the backup positions largely because the organization has run out of all other options.

In my honest opinion, Reimer and Scrivens have done nothing to suggest that they will ever become elite goaltenders in this league. This team has had average goaltending in the past. We don't need more of it.

On the age of Luongo - yes, he's old at 33. What gets me though, is how people seem convinced that we will only get 2-3 years out of him. My two issues with that complaint:

First - want to know what's interesting about 2-3 good years out of Luongo in a Leaf uniform? It'll be 2-3 years of elite goaltending that the team hasn't had. In like 8 years. And won't get from Reimer or Scrivens. People are talking about getting 2-3 years out of RL as if it's a bad thing, when in truth, many fans probably can't even remember the last time we got solid goaltending.

Second - his age. So, he's 33. Is there a rule somewhere that says that an older goalie can't do well in the league? Apparently there was a 40+ year old netminder that played in the Stanley Cup final last year? Not sure if you guys caught that.

Kiprusoff?

Tim Thomas?

Martin Brodeur?

Dwayne Roloson?

Chris Osgood?

Hasek?

Plenty of goalies have played, and continue to play, well into their 30s/close to 40s.

2-3 years might be a conservative estimate for Luongo, but there's no reason he can't give this team 4 or 5 years of solid goaltending. If he looks after himself, and remains focused, why not? Others have. Innumerably. There's no reason to suggest that he can't.

For me, the course of action is obvious - GET Luongo. Of course though, make sure it's a reasonable price. If Gillis is being foolish in his asking price, then you have no other option than to backdown and steer clear of it.

But there is no way that this team can go into the season with both Scrivens and Reimer as their goaltending tandem, and reasonably expect to do well.

 

[jrgtml67]

Nonis has the freedom to do his thing, but he is given a clear direction by Bell/Rogers as to where/what they want out of TML. I am sure the board and Nonis both agree Luongo is not the answer.

To me personally, Bell/Rogers want to rid the Leafs first of this American image. American GM, Kessel, etc... they want a Canadian image. Their market is Canadian, they want a nation wide team. Most of Canada hate the Leafs, they want to change that. More fans in Canada = more money overall. The Leafs brand, although still profitable, has taken some serious hits the past 7 years.

Expect Kessel gone in the next year or so, and maybe an out of the blue blockbuster. Bell/Rogers want a Stamkos, not Luongo. Not saying they will get Stammer, but you get the idea.

Luongo will not be here unless it's for something along the lines of a Bozak + Holzer + conditional 3rd if they make playoffs, 4th if they don't. Vancouver "fans" expecting Gards, Rielly, or even Kadri are laughable.

So they want a goal scorer and not a #1 goalie..they want both as any team would...Id give Kadri in a heartbeat over any1 of the top guys on the marlies...Aucoin and Hamilton are having amazing years and Aucion has a bit of NHL experience. Dpending how Reimer bounces back for last yrs injury (if we dont getta goalie b4 then) will affect MLSE's or Nonis' decision...lest we forget we have Scrivens and Rynnas both having stellar yrs and ready for a backup role

 

[kihei]

Another day without Roberto Luongo is a good day.

 

[Tak7]

Another day without Roberto Luongo is a good day.

Explain

 

[donkeyy0]

If Luongo wants to go to Florida, what's keeping TB out of this potential deal with Van?

Don't they need a goalie?

Isn't the situation like exactly what Luongo would potentially be looking for?

 

[G51 K81*]

Explain

We still have Gardiner.

 

[Cor]

Explain

We have all our picks and young players like we should!