Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[4evaBlue]

They have 7+ mil in cap space no? Can't make a deal based around Malone for Luongo?

Meh, whatever. I just figured they'd be the most natural fit. Definitely moreso than Florida would be.

AFAIK, they operate on an internal cap, but even if that wasn't the case, it's not about this season, but the next. When the cap drops to $64M next season, they're left with $7M of cap space to sign 8 players. Add Luongo to the mix, and it's a mess. I don't believe the Bolts are in the financial position go nuts on amnesties (Lecavalier, etc) to free up cap space.

 

[Lebanese Leaf]

Exactly, this isn't the time to get Luongo. It's not. We go with Reimer this season after he has had time to train, and get back to 100%

What is the worst thing that can happen?

Situation #1: Reimer comes out, and proves he's a number 1 goalie. We back the playoffs ending the drought without having to take on a TERRIBLE contract and assets

Situation #2: Reimer faulters and we have a terrible season that leads to a top 5 draft pick where we draft a center.

It's a 48 game season. Let's use this to really look at what we have, give guys like Kadri, Frattin, Reimer a chance to show what they really are.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[EDDIE20*]

Luongo apparently lost the starting job to Schneider. I wonder how he'll feel warming the bench this year.

Nonis basicallys said he wouldn't trade young players for aging vets. Unless something drastic happens, I can't see him pulling the trigger on a backbreaking trade like this. Luongo's contract will cripple a team in the long run. I just hope it isn't the Leafs.

 

[Rockinz]

Luongo apparently lost the starting job to Schneider. I wonder how he'll feel warming the bench this year.

Nonis basicallys said he wouldn't trade young players for aging vets. Unless something drastic happens, I can't see him pulling the trigger on a backbreaking trade like this. Luongo's contract will cripple a team in the long run. I just hope it isn't the Leafs.

Not if the team that gets him amnesty buys him out after 3 full seasons including this one

 

[darrylsittler27]

Hate to point his out.

Your terrified about a hypothetical scenario whereby James Reimer becomes an elite NHL goaltender and becomes better than Luongo, demanding more/similar money?

First - Reimer won't become a legitimate elite NHL goalie.

Second - If Luongo was an FA right now, he wouldn't get the same sort of deal he is on now. Those back diving contracts are largely going to be a thing of the past, especially when you factor in the cap-savings penalties or the "Luongo rule" that is being included in the new CBA.

Reimer's play prior to Montreal's intentional injuring of him was stellar.I think he was 6 and 0 which is why they injured him.Can't wait till we kill Carey.

 

[EDDIE20*]

Not if the team that gets him amnesty buys him out after 3 full seasons including this one

Good point. I wonder what the buyout would cost though. Aren't the Leafs still paying buyouts for Darcy Tucker and Jeff Finger?

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

Exactly, this isn't the time to get Luongo. It's not. We go with Reimer this season after he has had time to train, and get back to 100%

What is the worst thing that can happen?

Situation #1: Reimer comes out, and proves he's a number 1 goalie. We back the playoffs ending the drought without having to take on a TERRIBLE contract and assets

Situation #2: Reimer faulters and we have a terrible season that leads to a top 5 draft pick where we draft a center.

It's a 48 game season. Let's use this to really look at what we have, give guys like Kadri, Frattin, Reimer a chance to show what they really are.

Actually, none of those is the worst outcome. Worst outcome would be having Reimer play like crap, finishing at 13th overall, and then getting pushed down to 14th overall because the team that finished 16th overall won the lottery.

 

[Cor]

Actually, none of those is the worst outcome. Worst outcome would be having Reimer play like crap, finishing at 13th overall, and then getting pushed down to 14th overall because the team that finished 16th overall won the lottery.

That is just depressing

 

[darrylsittler27]

Even worse.

Actually, none of those is the worst outcome. Worst outcome would be having Reimer play like crap, finishing at 13th overall, and then getting pushed down to 14th overall because the team that finished 16th overall won the lottery.

We give up Gardiner who turns into the next Niedermayer,we finish 14th last with Luongo and the Canucks trade Gardiner for the first overall.That would be closer to our luck.

 

[4evaBlue]

The backdiving nature of Luongo's contract means that it's slightly more manageable in a few years than it is now. But I do agree and understand the apprehension to a Lou deal in regards to his contract. At this point, I'm not sure the organization has many other options.

Odds and stats and speculation aside, the point I'm making is there is plenty of reason to suggest that a goalie can play late into his 30s, and there is ample enough evidence to suggest that that is the case with Luongo. Provided he takes care of himself (no reason to suggest he doesn't), and he wants to play hockey up until that point, then there's no reason why the expectation shouldn't be that RL can play late into his 30s.

Not everyone is an age-less wonder like Brodeur, but there are plenty of examples league-wide that shows goalies can play late.

I've also not seen anything in RL's game to suggest that he's on any sort of decline, etc.

I'd also argue that goalies that retire/ride off in their mid-30s, are more often than not, backup goalies and goalies that don't have prominence on their teams. Not all of them, I know. But many are.

The risk is too high, and if this does backfire on us, it could cripple the team/management for years. I'd argue that for us, it's much more crucial to get solid goaltending 3-5 years from now, than it is for the next few seasons.

 

[G51 K81*]

And we still have a mediocre team with below average goaltending - having all the youth and talent in the world doesn't mean anything if you can't keep the puck out of the net.

Perhaps the time to acquire a goaltender isn't now, but later. Hard to ignore value of goaltending help to a young, up and coming team.



Will never be included in a Luongo deal

Well that is who Gillis wants... which is why I am perfectly fine not trading for Luongo.

 

[nuck]

Good point. I wonder what the buyout would cost though. Aren't the Leafs still paying buyouts for Darcy Tucker and Jeff Finger?

Tucker and Army are both this season and next @$1 million per. Fingers contract ended in 11-12.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

George Richards ‏@GeorgeRichards
#FlaPanthers Dale Tallon didn't want to comment on Luongo rumors but did say "it's an ongoing situation. We'll see what happens.''

Interesting, it seems they have not ruled him out. Yet, I figure they probably want Van to retain a good portion of his salary if they get him.

 

[4evaBlue]

Not if the team that gets him amnesty buys him out after 3 full seasons including this one

It doesn't work that way. You either use the amnesty buyout(s) during the next offseason (to help the team get under the $64.8M cap), or you lose them. There's no "saving it" for a time when the performance of the players on bad contracts start declining.

 

[MaskedSonja]

John Shannon failed

Yea, I remember that during PTS during the lockout "The Leafs have a deal for Lou"-he wasn't stating it as speculation as I recall, but outright fact.

Now a trade might still happen, but if Toronto starts and goes with Reims/Scrivens in net, be interesting to see if anyone challenges Shannon on it.

 

[4evaBlue]

Actually, none of those is the worst outcome. Worst outcome would be having Reimer play like crap, finishing at 13th overall, and then getting pushed down to 14th overall because the team that finished 16th overall won the lottery.

If we manage to become a bubble team with awful goaltending, it would mean that Carlyle's system worked, and we got decent contribution from our forwards and defensemen. Acquiring someone like Backstrom during the next offseason would make us a legit playoff team.

 

[New Liskeard]

Yea, I remember that during PTS during the lockout "The Leafs have a deal for Lou"-he wasn't stating it as speculation as I recall, but outright fact. Now a trade might still happen, but if Toronto starts and goes with Reims/Scrivens in net, be interesting to see if anyone challenges Shannon on it.

One of the things that didnt make sense at all when he made that comment, is something Burke himself said, in the media after being fired. It makes no sense for any GM to make a trade for any player, especially one with a very long contract, without knowing what the upcoming CBA was all about.

After listening to Nonis today, doesnt sound like Lou is coming here. It is very possible if Gillis can't find him a home by next summer, Lou will likely be bought out.

 

[threeGo]

If FLA is stupid enough to trade for Luongo does that mean markstrom is for sale?

 

[nuck]

If FLA is stupid enough to trade for Luongo does that mean markstrom is for sale?

No, but Theo would definitely be

2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 55 3162 127 2 5 2.41 31 14 8 1450 0.919
2011-12 Florida Panthers NHL 53 3049 125 3 3 2.46 22 16 11 1377 0.916

 

[Warden of the North]

George Richards ‏@GeorgeRichards
#FlaPanthers Dale Tallon didn't want to comment on Luongo rumors but did say "it's an ongoing situation. We'll see what happens.''

Interesting, it seems they have not ruled him out. Yet, I figure they probably want Van to retain a good portion of his salary if they get him.

Dear Lord I hope he goes to Florida. Get this non-sense over.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Pierre Lebrun just said Leafs and Canucks have been talking since burke got fired. Leafs are not willing to meet the canucks price so talks on hold. Believed to be an established player and good prospect. i.e. bozak and kadri

All said on That's Hockey

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

It is great news that the Leafs are balking at Kadri and Bozak. The Canucks are just posturing. I bet if you wait them out til, say thursday, he could be had for something like bozak and reimer.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Pierre Lebrun just said Leafs and Canucks have been talking since burke got fired. Leafs are not willing to meet the canucks price so talks on hold. Believed to be an established player and good prospect. i.e. bozak and kadri

Good I don't want to give them up for Luongo.

 

[iArts]

Pierre Lebrun just said Leafs and Canucks have been talking since burke got fired. Leafs are not willing to meet the canucks price so talks on hold. Believed to be an established player and good prospect. i.e. bozak and kadri

All said on That's Hockey

What I understand from this is that if Canucks don't get a better offer from someone else (Florida), they'll probably just accept our offer.

I think Bozak and Kadri is a fair price.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

What I understand from this is that if Canucks don't get a better offer from someone else (Florida), they'll probably just accept our offer.

I think Bozak and Kadri is a fair price.

He clearly said the Leafs are unwilling to move Kadri at this point.