Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[lampshade*]

Any goalie can win a Stanley Cup during this short season. Even a rookie. Antti Niemi won his Cup even though they were playing that full 82 game season then. It's not about the goalies nowadays anymore. If the team plays well then anybody can win with these rules and this type of league. And now with the 48 game season... this is going to be some lottery. Any team can go anywhere. On any given sunday, anything can happen.

Hahah yea Quick was average, so was Thomas, Fleury was terrible in games 6&7 also. Osgood .917sa% and 1.55gaa, terrible. Giggy apart from being conn smythe sucked too.
Next year you should strap the pads on and appeal for a open tryout. You could be a Stanley cup champion some day.

 

[p.l.f.]

Luongo: "I'm willing to stay here this season because it will be short. But I don't want to stay here long term." via @RenLavoieRDS

 

[4evaBlue]

Luongo: "I'm willing to stay here this season because it will be short. But I don't want to stay here long term." via @RenLavoieRDS

And his trade value is starting to drop already.

 

[Puckstuff]

What's the problem? A top 5 pick would be a godsend.



Hasn't Nonis stated that he isn't looking to trade youth?

And why would you trade Frattin/Colborne... trading away decent prospects for aging vets is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Leafs fans just don't learn. The leafs are not a goaltender away from becoming a contender, I don't think we're even a goaltender away from becoming a playoff team. The kids need to stay in the system, no point in mortgaging the future for a 9th place finish.

Dude no offence but your post is a little ridiculous. I agree that Luongo won't make this team a serious threat for the Stanley cup, but if you look at all the teams in the NHL that have an above average quality goalie they are likely in the playoffs. Even when Florida got decent goaltending last season they made the playoffs with a very average roster. I have concerns over the leafs roster but I can't agree with your statement that this team is unlikely to make the playoffs with LU. Nothing will guarantee us a playoff birth next season but adding Luongo is the closest thing to it and will give us the best chance. I too would like to hold on to all of our prospects and build with in... but trading away one of Frattin or Colborne is hardly "mortgaging the future"

 

[p.l.f.]

toronto suits ,
thats a good nickname LOL

 

[TrueBlue86]

And his trade value is starting to drop already.

yea, no kidding

i was thinking the same

if he's not dealt by like the end of the summer things could get ugly

 

[Stats01]

LOL Canuck fans think they can get Kulikov out of Florida for Luongo...it's just unbelievable how ignorant they are towards the contract. They'll be lucky to get a decent prospect and a pick out of it.

 

[Action Jackson]

Dude no offence but your post is a little ridiculous. I agree that Luongo won't make this team a serious threat for the Stanley cup, but if you look at all the teams in the NHL that have an above average quality goalie they are likely in the playoffs. Even when Florida got decent goaltending last season they made the playoffs with a very average roster. I have concerns over the leafs roster but I can't agree with your statement that this team is unlikely to make the playoffs with LU. Nothing will guarantee us a playoff birth next season but adding Luongo is the closest thing to it and will give us the best chance. I too would like to hold on to all of our prospects and build with in... but trading away one of Frattin or Colborne is hardly "mortgaging the future"

Glad we agree that luongo won't make this team a threat. As for your next point, how come Buffalo, with one of the best goaltenders in the world, didn't make the playoffs last year? How about, carolina, minny, anaheim, montreal etc. They all have "above average" goalies but still didn't make the playoffs. I disagree entirely with your notion that a quality goaltender can seemingly carry a team into a playoff spot. the fact is a goaltender is as good as the defence in front of him. This team played poorly defensively under both wilson and carlyle, improvement will take time.

Acquiring Lu will definitely give us a chance at making the playoffs. I didn't say playoffs are entirely out of reach, just unlikely. But with so much parity in the league these days, and a 48 game season, pretty much anything could happen even with Reimer between the pipes. But the question remains, what is the asking price? We can speculate all we want but at the end of the day none of us know what's being said behind closed doors. If Gillis is asking for a high end prospect, I feel like Nonis will walk away. I don't think a player like Luongo can be attained for a a stop gap player in connolly and one of frattin/colborne, otherwise a deal would have already been done, but that remains to be seen.

 

[alcanalz]

Dude no offence but your post is a little ridiculous. I agree that Luongo won't make this team a serious threat for the Stanley cup, but if you look at all the teams in the NHL that have an above average quality goalie they are likely in the playoffs. Even when Florida got decent goaltending last season they made the playoffs with a very average roster. I have concerns over the leafs roster but I can't agree with your statement that this team is unlikely to make the playoffs with LU. Nothing will guarantee us a playoff birth next season but adding Luongo is the closest thing to it and will give us the best chance. I too would like to hold on to all of our prospects and build with in... but trading away one of Frattin or Colborne is hardly "mortgaging the future"

Adding Luongo gives a much better chance for sure but there were a whole bunch of teams with great goalies that still missed the playoffs; Buffalo, Carolina, Montreal, Calgary, and you can argue Dallas with the way Lehtonen's been playing there.

 

[Stats01]

Glad we agree that luongo won't make this team a threat. As for your next point, how come Buffalo, with one of the best goaltenders in the world, didn't make the playoffs last year? How about, carolina, minny, anaheim, montreal etc. They all have "above average" goalies but still didn't make the playoffs. I disagree entirely with your notion that a quality goaltender can seemingly carry a team into a playoff spot. the fact is a goaltender is as good as the defence in front of him. This team played poorly defensively under both wilson and carlyle, improvement will take time.

Acquiring Lu will definitely give us a chance at making the playoffs. I didn't say playoffs are entirely out of reach, just unlikely. But with so much parity in the league these days, and a 48 game season, pretty much anything could happen even with Reimer between the pipes. But the question remains, what is the asking price? We can speculate all we want but at the end of the day none of us know what's being said behind closed doors. If Gillis is asking for a high end prospect, I feel like Nonis will walk away. I don't think a player like Luongo can be attained for a a stop gap player in connolly and one of frattin/colborne, otherwise a deal would have already been done, but that remains to be seen.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...t-rush-luongo-trade-gomez-redden-left-to-wait

"My understanding is that the Canucks’ asking price is an established NHL player plus a high-end prospect. In Toronto’s case, I believe that prospect is Nazem Kadri, and that’s a player I don’t think Toronto is willing to move at this point. That could change, of course."

We're all speculating that it's Gardiner that they want, if Nonis won't even give up Kadri in the deal then I don't see a deal being made at all. So we can pretty much stop arguing with ourselves and just deal with the fact that we will have Reimer and Scrivens this season. I like that Nonis is sticking to his guns and not giving in to Gillis demands.

 

[Mr Scarface*]

Hahah yea Quick was average, so was Thomas, Fleury was terrible in games 6&7 also. Osgood .917sa% and 1.55gaa, terrible. Giggy apart from being conn smythe sucked too.
Next year you should strap the pads on and appeal for a open tryout. You could be a Stanley cup champion some day.

Quick had some average games yeah, so did Thomas (sometimes let in easy shots, but played real good games of course too). Giguere handled himself real fine some years and won it too. It really doesn't matter at all who plays in front of the net nowadays. Antti Niemi is the perfect example of that.
Another fantastic example is from those carolina - edmonton finals... there were (three) Oiler goalies playing in the finals. Roloson, Conklin and Markkanen. They all played, shined and sucked. In the finals. And I was laughing out loud. Teams play and win. Reimer and every other NHL goalie can win the cup nowadays. If you are NHL calibre you can win. These history lessons, games and Cups that have names written on them have proved my point.

 

[Razz]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...t-rush-luongo-trade-gomez-redden-left-to-wait

"My understanding is that the Canucks’ asking price is an established NHL player plus a high-end prospect. In Toronto’s case, I believe that prospect is Nazem Kadri, and that’s a player I don’t think Toronto is willing to move at this point. That could change, of course."

We're all speculating that it's Gardiner that they want, if Nonis won't even give up Kadri in the deal then I don't see a deal being made at all. So we can pretty much stop arguing with ourselves and just deal with the fact that we will have Reimer and Scrivens this season. I like that Nonis is sticking to his guns and not giving in to Gillis demands.

I am pleased by this as well. I personally would rather take a wait-and-see approach to this season. I want to see how Reimer does before comitting to a change. I also want to see how Nazem Kadri does this year before we give up on him.

There's no urgency to make a move here especially since this is such a great draft. If the team sucks next year, then Nonis can have his moment like AA did for the Jays this summer.

 

[Stats01]

Also I'd like to add while these Canuck fans wonder in dream land about getting Gardiner, and Kulikov and everyone's top blue chippers, let's not forget that last season the great Luongo got pulled for Schneider by what? game 3 or 4 of their series against the Kings en route to getting destroyed 4 games to 1. Yeah that's real ensuring to the team that eventually gets him.

 

[hockeywiz542]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/...t-rush-luongo-trade-gomez-redden-left-to-wait

Toronto remains the most obvious destination, and while Gillis did not want to shed any more light on the Luongo situation Monday, another NHL source told ESPN.com that the Maple Leafs and Canucks have indeed touched based with each other since Brian Burke’s firing as GM last week.

But I don’t think too much has changed. I don’t believe new Leafs GM Dave Nonis wants to overpay, despite clearly having interest in Luongo -- a star netminder he brought to Vancouver in the first place when Nonis was the Canucks’ GM.

My understanding is that the Canucks’ asking price is an established NHL player plus a high-end prospect. In Toronto’s case, I believe that prospect is Nazem Kadri, and that’s a player I don’t think Toronto is willing to move at this point. That could change, of course.

But the reason Vancouver needs an NHL player as well in the deal is underlined by the injury to Ryan Kesler. The Canucks are thin right now at center. Whether it’s a guy like Tyler Bozak or another skater, Vancouver would need an established NHL body from the Leafs in any deal.

Toronto hasn’t given up on goalie James Reimer, either. I think the Maple Leafs want to see how he does out of the gates before deciding whether or not they need to make a goalie move. The risk in that, at least from the Luongo point of view, is that perhaps other NHL teams ramp up their interest in Luongo either because of injury or poor play from their goalie.

And by the way, whichever team gets Luongo is getting a netminder that remains among the top 10 elite netminders in the NHL, in my mind. And he’ll be a motivated one, too.

 

[Gary Bettman]

if this luongo deal doesn't happen, leafs should sign (UFA) Dwayne Roloson to 1yr contract,,,,good veteran goalie for Reimer to learn from.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Just wait it out till next year and do Komi+3rd. If Luo is still on the team by then we'll see a Heatley all over again accept for less value

 

[4evaBlue]

Just wait it out till next year and do Komi+3rd. If Luo is still on the team by then we'll see a Heatley all over again accept for less value

Still wouldn't do it. I'd rather be stuck with one year of Komi's contract than 5 years of Luongo's.

 

[ITM]

The thought of sending first round talent on a growing club, at least 2 seasons away from contending -- if circumstances arise in an ideal fashion -- for a mid-thirties goaltender (as good as Luongo may be) doesn't seem like sound stewardship of the cache newly filled.

I'd rather roll very small dice on a once proven talent like Dan Ellis, and keep Kadri, Gardiner, Bozak, any picks, etc...rather than send assets away that will make .015 the difference in save percentage.

If the enthusiasm surrounding our future with Morgan Reilly is any indication of what a sound pick made in the Top 5 can produce by way of confidence, I'd expect another this summer would do the same, while retaining the potential barter for Luongo all the more.

 

[DeathToAllButMetal]

This debate is so insane. I don't agree that Luongo is worth a king's ransom or anything, but come on, he'd be the best goalie the Leafs have had since Cujo. You really wouldn't give up a so-so prospect like Kadri for him?

Also, what if the season starts and Reimer sucks? Or he gets hurt again? Vancouver could start poorly, too. But what's more likely? The top regular season team in the league has a bad start? Or the garbage club in Toronto that hasn't made the playoffs in almost 10 years?

Let's face it, if the Leafs start slow, the pressure soars on Nonis to make the Luongo deal right away. It's far more likely that his price goes up in the short term, not down. If the Canucks are being at all reasonable with their demands, and the Leafs are interested at all, the Leafs need to do this deal before the season starts. Too risky to wait.

 

[Darch]

Forget Luongo. Just work on Reimer and Scrivens, two young guys with a great upside. It's not like the Leafs are going for the cup this year. Be patient with these two young guys, and you'll get payback.

 

[CBinTokyo]

I think the bottom line is that if Luongo is not traded Vancouver will end up buying out his contract in a year or two and he will become a UFA. He can already choose what teams he can be traded to because of his NTC, so the only value to be had from a deal is whether or not you get him now or in a few years time.

The contract, his NTC and the CBA have destroyed his value in terms of trade. His value as a players is very high in my opinion and I would love to see him on the leafs. Preferably in in 2014 signed as a UFA on a 3 year deal.

 

[K19*]

This debate is so insane. I don't agree that Luongo is worth a king's ransom or anything, but come on, he'd be the best goalie the Leafs have had since Cujo. You really wouldn't give up a so-so prospect like Kadri for him?

Also, what if the season starts and Reimer sucks? Or he gets hurt again? Vancouver could start poorly, too. But what's more likely? The top regular season team in the league has a bad start? Or the garbage club in Toronto that hasn't made the playoffs in almost 10 years?

Let's face it, if the Leafs start slow, the pressure soars on Nonis to make the Luongo deal right away. It's far more likely that his price goes up in the short term, not down. If the Canucks are being at all reasonable with their demands, and the Leafs are interested at all, the Leafs need to do this deal before the season starts. Too risky to wait.

If the goalies struggle then hopefully we get another top-5 pick this summer. That's a lot more important than finishing 8th and losing in the first round, or worse, finishing 9/10 and being stuck in purgatory.

And pressure from whom? Ownership? Fans? Nonis can't succumb to the pressure, he has to do what's best for the team long-term.

I think the only thing that will stop him (Nonis) is meddling ownership.

 

[SteveV*]

There is an inherent contradiction to the Canucks argument. Saying Luongo is an all star goalie, one of the best in league doesn't jive with benching him in favour of another goalie. If he's so top notch why have you pulled him from the net? If he's as valuable as Gillis says, then trade the other goalie!!

 

[BlueStorm]

Unless we sign getzlaf and perry I don't want Luongo. The irony is getzlaf and perry probably won't want to sign here if we don't have a Luongo quality goalie.

 

[Fogelhund]

There is an inherent contradiction to the Canucks argument. Saying Luongo is an all star goalie, one of the best in league doesn't jive with benching him in favour of another goalie. If he's so top notch why have you pulled him from the net? If he's as valuable as Gillis says, then trade the other goalie!!

Two good goalies...