Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[Warden of the North]

Luongo: "I'm willing to stay here this season because it will be short. But I don't want to stay here long term." via @RenLavoieRDS

Love to see VAN fans spin that one into a positive

 

[legendinblue]

Love to see VAN fans spin that one into a positive

I've seen some do that on the Nucks board already lol.

 

[ITM]

This debate is so insane. I don't agree that Luongo is worth a king's ransom or anything, but come on, he'd be the best goalie the Leafs have had since Cujo. You really wouldn't give up a so-so prospect like Kadri for him?
Also, what if the season starts and Reimer sucks? Or he gets hurt again? Vancouver could start poorly, too. But what's more likely? The top regular season team in the league has a bad start? Or the garbage club in Toronto that hasn't made the playoffs in almost 10 years?

Let's face it, if the Leafs start slow, the pressure soars on Nonis to make the Luongo deal right away. It's far more likely that his price goes up in the short term, not down. If the Canucks are being at all reasonable with their demands, and the Leafs are interested at all, the Leafs need to do this deal before the season starts. Too risky to wait.

We have no idea what Kadri is just yet. I'm not adverse to giving up assets to move the franchise forward, I just don't think Luongo and the kind of price he has to demand is in Toronto's long term interest. This club has to establish an environment of single-minded direction. And with the composition of the club as it is, thin on forward as it is, Luongo isn't going to be the difference on this Leafs club anymore than he was the difference on a President's Trophy winning club. Let's keep our highly skilled, as yet season tested , top ten draft pick and see what we have before we buy into the same old Leafs Nation hysteria that this club's depth ills will be mitigated by any goalie.

Cujo came and went and never "brought" us into the SCF on a team that would make this club look like an ECHL club...Luongo isn't the answer.

What's more likely? I don't know. In a shortened season, this club may submit a better half than a worse one. Personally, I'm praying for the latter and a shot at Mackinnon.

Risk is something I'm sure the Canucks' brass are praying is foisted on to Leafs' brass by our media...We know Burke could stick it to them, and in his own way I hope Nonis does the same.

What if acquiring Luongo closes the door on more appropriate options that come Toronto's way that don't cost nearly the price Vancouver expects for it's "elite franchise goaltender"? Building strength to strength doesn't require gutting our club for that contract....Especially when we will have Lupul and Kessel's contracts to deal with in the coming season or two.

 

[KeninsFan]

Love to see VAN fans spin that one into a positive

Luongo tells us the quote lost some context in translation. Not "get me out of here" so much as "I don't see myself here long-term".

I don't think it changes anything. Everyone knows Luongo is gone when the cap reaches 64.3M.

 

[Warden of the North]

I don't think it changes anything. Everyone knows Luongo is gone when the cap reaches 64.3M.

Some of them are in denial that he wants to leave.

 

[legendinblue]

I don't think it changes anything. Everyone knows Luongo is gone when the cap reaches 64.3M.

Yea, we've known he wants out for quite some time. I guess this makes it 'official'?

 

[pspot]

considering where the Sedins are at and the condition of Kesler maybe Schneider should be moved
they'd get a pretty great package for him and in the end is he that much better than Lu

 

[tony135420]

I don't understand why the ownership would put pressure on Nonis to make the Luongo deal. If you hamstring your GM into focusing on one possible trade partner, there goes any negotiating power.

I'm not convinced Nonis is going to make any knee jerk, reactionary trades this season. I would personally be content with him sitting tight on any major deals until the off season. Maybe move some minor pieces around this season to strengthen our bottom six.

We shouldn't forget, come July, Vancouver loses any negotiating power in trades, as it's either trade or buyout Lu. At that point, Bozak, b level prospect + a 2nd doesn't seems so bad

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Let's not go for Luongo. They reach their cap which means they cannot sign any big stars in the offseason. This means if they want to sign a really good free agent, they have to buy him out (then we can sign him).

I'd rather go for Perry and Getzlaf in the offseason.

 

[Confucius]

Let's not go for Luongo. They reach their cap which means they cannot sign any big stars in the offseason. This means if they want to sign a really good free agent, they have to buy him out (then we can sign him).

I'd rather go for Perry and Getzlaf in the offseason.

Not to mention we probably end up with a higher draft choice. You're hired, senior adviser hockey operations.

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Not to mention we probably end up with a higher draft choice. You're hired, senior adviser hockey operations.

Honestly, that makes sense. Canucks should no way be able to bargain in this position.

 

[ginner classic]

Love to see VAN fans spin that one into a positive

You'd be surprised how easy it is to spin another year of the best goaltending tandem in the NHL and yet another playoff season into a positive.

It has to be far more exhausting having to paint the picture every day that the Canucks situation is a negative. Seems pretty sweet from where I sit. I feel like a dude that ate way too much Steak and Lobster. I have playoff gout.

 

[BlueForever]

Honestly, that makes sense. Canucks should no way be able to bargain in this position.

User 48 game season to evaluate your kids. From the goal out. We are lucky to even have a season. You put the new GM in charge, let him see what he as and build as he pleases. Louongo is not needed this year.

And I agree I would rather spend the 6.5 million to the cap with Perry or Getzlaf then with Louongo. Save your money this year along with your prospects and analyze and grow what you got.

Go Leafs go!!!

 

[KeninsFan]

Some of them are in denial that he wants to leave.

He wants to start, I don't believe he thinks it's a toxic situation in Vancouver. He's received many "Luus" even in training camp.

As unlikely as it might be, if Schneider were to go down in a career threatening injury I still believe Luongo would be more than happy to remain the Canuck starter.

Canuck fans are mistaken if they think Gillis keeps Luongo as Schneider's backup in an 82 game, 64M cap world. Simply not happening.

We shouldn't forget, come July, Vancouver loses any negotiating power in trades, as it's either trade or buyout Lu. At that point, Bozak, b level prospect + a 2nd doesn't seems so bad

And neither will a package of 2nd + Matthias from Florida.

Leafs have no leverage over Vancouver. Florida is in a prime situation especially if we keep a tandem this year.

 

[pspot]

He wants to start, I don't believe he thinks it's a toxic situation in Vancouver. He's received many "Luus" even in training camp.

As unlikely as it might be, if Schneider were to go down in a career threatening injury I still believe Luongo would be more than happy to remain the Canuck starter.

Canuck fans are mistaken if they think Gillis keeps Luongo as Schneider's backup in an 82 game, 64M cap world. Simply not happening.

what about trading Schneider?

you can't give Lu away or buy him out and could most likely trade Schneider for a great package and the end result is your goaltending is essentially the same level for the window you have with the Sedins and Kesler

its a rock or hard place with Lu and maybe the answer is to turn to Schneider

 

[KeninsFan]

what about trading Schneider?

you can't give Lu away or buy him out and could most likely trade Schneider for a great package and the end result is your goaltending is essentially the same level for the window you have with the Sedins and Kesler

its a rock or hard place with Lu and maybe the answer is to turn to Schneider

Although the lack of experience is evident Schneider has shown something special. I believe Gillis and our coaching staff have indeed made him the man.

IMO Schneider is the next face of the franchise, yes I think he's gonna be better than the Sedins. Unfortunately his value won't be that high to any GM unless he wins the Vezina/Conn Smythe this year.

Better to keep Schneider for the next wave of Canucks (Kassian, Jensen, Gaunce). No high end talent but a bunch of big bodies and two way presence. This will allow us to stay competitive (similar to modern day Blues' hockey).

 

[Confucius]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to spin another year of the best goaltending tandem in the NHL and yet another playoff season into a positive.

It has to be far more exhausting having to paint the picture every day that the Canucks situation is a negative. Seems pretty sweet from where I sit. I feel like a dude that ate way too much Steak and Lobster. I have playoff gout.

Welll you should be more vocal over there spread that news. What's Gillis thinking? Fire Gillis.

 

[Confucius]

He wants to start, I don't believe he thinks it's a toxic situation in Vancouver. He's received many "Luus" even in training camp.

As unlikely as it might be, if Schneider were to go down in a career threatening injury I still believe Luongo would be more than happy to remain the Canuck starter.

Canuck fans are mistaken if they think Gillis keeps Luongo as Schneider's backup in an 82 game, 64M cap world. Simply not happening.



And neither will a package of 2nd + Matthias from Florida.

Leafs have no leverage over Vancouver. Florida is in a prime situation especially if we keep a tandem this year.

Just wondering how come there is no Luongo thread over there?

 

[Erndog]

Although the lack of experience is evident Schneider has shown something special. I believe Gillis and our coaching staff have indeed made him the man.

IMO Schneider is the next face of the franchise, yes I think he's gonna be better than the Sedins. Unfortunately his value won't be that high to any GM unless he wins the Vezina/Conn Smythe this year.

Better to keep Schneider for the next wave of Canucks (Kassian, Jensen, Gaunce). No high end talent but a bunch of big bodies and two way presence. This will allow us to stay competitive (similar to modern day Blues' hockey).

Kassian and Gaunce are like Brad Isbister and Oleg Kvasha. Big bodies. Nothing more.

But I agree with your reasoning and assesment for keeping Schneider.

 

[KeninsFan]

Kassian and Gaunce are like Brad Isbister and Oleg Kvasha. Big bodies. Nothing more.

But I agree with your reasoning and assesment for keeping Schneider.

If our prospects don't pan out it's all the more reason to keep Schneider as well.

Our coach has shown an ability to play an extremely defensive system and rely on goaltending to make the playoffs. Schneider can provide that for up to 10 seasons. Luongo has 5 years of elite play left.

A 5-10 year window of elite net minding gives our GM a lot of time to assemble a better roster as well as providing our coaching staff an easy way to win games (trap like hell).

Just wondering how come there is no Luongo thread over there?

Panthers have a much smaller fanbase on HF.

 

[unbridledid]

Schneider hasn't proven anything at the NHL level. His brief playoff record includes him cramping up and being carried off and being outplayed by Quick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7bSuDvlsuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xYEuHbg3Fg

 

[KuleminFan41]

I was listening to the Fan590 last night and this one caller said"Lets forget about Luongo and wait till next year for Henrik Lundqvuist to become a free agent so we can sign him and give up nothing!" lmao

 

[Faltorvo]

Let's not go for Luongo. They reach their cap which means they cannot sign any big stars in the offseason. This means if they want to sign a really good free agent, they have to buy him out (then we can sign him).

I'd rather go for Perry and Getzlaf in the offseason.

You almost nailed it.

When you know we have G/P lined up, then you get Lou.

 

[unbridledid]

You'd be surprised how easy it is to spin another year of the best goaltending tandem in the NHL and yet another playoff season into a positive.

It has to be far more exhausting having to paint the picture every day that the Canucks situation is a negative. Seems pretty sweet from where I sit. I feel like a dude that ate way too much Steak and Lobster. I have playoff gout.

Steak and lobster, Nucks won't ever get as close as they did against boston and they blew that in a big way.

Tough thing about lou is his recent playoff performances haven't been stellar, slow starts to the season, his age, and his contract.

 

[ginner classic]

Steak and lobster, Nucks won't ever get as close as they did against boston and they blew that in a big way.

Tough thing about lou is his recent playoff performances haven't been stellar, slow starts to the season, his age, and his contract.

And back to back best team in the regular season. I'm content.