GDT: UFC Fight Night: Cejudo vs. Song

[Taytro]

Still should’ve taken a point

Hard to take a point after just 2 fouls, both of which were clearly accidental. IMO you need to give a stern warning (telling them if they do it again you will take a point) OR see an egregious/purposeful foul that caused injury. Clearly this was neither. Idk what the refs are told on the matter but Herzog is a great ref so I trust he did the right thing.

 

[CDJ]

Hit huge on Font @ +136, +170, then live at +600

Main event was some bullshit from Herzog. Should’ve been a point taken and a majority draw but unfortunately cheating is legal in MMA these days

Hard to take a point after just 2 fouls, both of which were clearly accidental. IMO you need to give a stern warning (telling them if they do it again you will take a point) OR see an egregious/purposeful foul that caused injury. Clearly this was neither. Idk what the refs are told on the matter but Herzog is a great ref so I trust he did the right thing.

It’s not. You shouldn’t be given 3 strikes, this isn’t baseball. 1 is enough. That eye poke was vicious, doesn’t matter if it’s accidental

 

[MMC]

Hard to take a point after just 2 fouls

disagree

 

[MMC]

Dana said at the press conference he has no interest in rebooking it

 

[MMC]

Dana basically confirms Merab/Sean 2 will be next, Sean doesn't deserve that...

 

[Taytro]

It’s not. You shouldn’t be given 3 strikes, this isn’t baseball. 1 is enough. That eye poke was vicious, doesn’t matter if it’s accidental

disagree

Don't know where y'all get that from. It's very common to have 2+ fouls without a point deduction, in fact it happened earlier in the card. If you get points deducted after 1 foul, you'd have guys like Leon Edwards and Jon Jones having 5-10 points deducted per fight then you'd be complaining about too many point deductions ruining fights. Pretty sure Leon was stopped like 5 times in the fight with Kamaru and it only resulted in 1 point deduction.

The eye poke was not "vicious" because vicious literally means it was deliberate, so it being accidental does matter. It also occured when Cejudo was moving forward into it, unlike most eye pokes which are from the poker pawing at the face of the fighter who gets poked. That doesn't make it less of an eye poke, but I do think it makes it less likely to be punished.

At the end of the day the rules give the referee full discretion in those situations, and the professional referee disagrees with you. That being said, I do think something needs to change about fouls, I dont this fight had a problem with them. Just an unfortunate, but very common situation.

 

[BGDDYKWL]

What bothered me the most about the foul situation was immediately following the break, Song was walking Cejudo down with his hand wide open, fingers leading. That tells me he wasn't even making an effort to correct his mistakes.

Running it back is certainly reasonable, and sort of a respect thing for a legend maybe, but I don't really NEED to see this one again. Song is pretty clearly better than Cejudo at this stage of their careers.

 

[CDJ]

Don't know where y'all get that from. It's very common to have 2+ fouls without a point deduction, in fact it happened earlier in the card. If you get points deducted after 1 foul, you'd have guys like Leon Edwards and Jon Jones having 5-10 points deducted per fight then you'd be complaining about too many point deductions ruining fights. Pretty sure Leon was stopped like 5 times in the fight with Kamaru and it only resulted in 1 point deduction.

The eye poke was not "vicious" because vicious literally means it was deliberate, so it being accidental does matter. It also occured when Cejudo was moving forward into it, unlike most eye pokes which are from the poker pawing at the face of the fighter who gets poked. That doesn't make it less of an eye poke, but I do think it makes it less likely to be punished.

At the end of the day the rules give the referee full discretion in those situations, and the professional referee disagrees with you. That being said, I do think something needs to change about fouls, I dont this fight had a problem with them. Just an unfortunate, but very common situation.

He was knuckle deep in his eye, that’s brutal. You can split hairs over terminology all you want but you can hopefully admit it was a really bad eye poke.

And I want fouls to be penalized, otherwise there is no point in having rules. Not all fouls- but if you commit 2 in short order and the last one was really bad then yeah idc if it’s unintentional, it’s illegal and impacted the fight in a major way so you have to take a point. Put your f***ing fingers away if you didn’t want a point taken because of an accidental foul, easy solution to that problem for Song!

Song came out after the 5 min break and kept doing the same thing too. Just get rid of rules if you’re not gonna enforce them. Herzog is a p***y…as a matter of fact they all have been recently. Just letting fighters get away with everything. They should get rid of all rules if they’re going to be timid little boys.

Point should’ve been taken and it should’ve been a majority draw. Song committed a foul that blinded a man in one eye i don’t really see an argument against taking a point, especially since they restarted the fight with a man clearly compromised by a foul.

 

[CDJ]

This 10x

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Hard to take a point after just 2 fouls, both of which were clearly accidental. IMO you need to give a stern warning (telling them if they do it again you will take a point) OR see an egregious/purposeful foul that caused injury. Clearly this was neither. Idk what the refs are told on the matter but Herzog is a great ref so I trust he did the right thing.

Is it clearly accidental when Song continued to have his fingers pointing straight at Cejudo, before and after the eye poke.

They arent allowed to do that, they're either supposed to be pointing to the sky or in a closed fist.

 

[bov]

Dana basically confirms Merab/Sean 2 will be next, Sean doesn't deserve that...

It's tough because Merab has either beaten the closest contenders or they're coming off losses. Unless they go and scoop up Patchy Mix, it's going to be a recycled name. Guys like Sandhagen or maybe Song could earn a shot if they win their next fight. I would have said Pantoja, but Kape/Almabayev seems like the obvious contender match.

That said, I'm fine with seeing O'Malley get ragdolled again.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

He was knuckle deep in his eye, that’s brutal. You can split hairs over terminology all you want but you can hopefully admit it was a really bad eye poke.

And I want fouls to be penalized, otherwise there is no point in having rules. Not all fouls- but if you commit 2 in short order and the last one was really bad then yeah idc if it’s unintentional, it’s illegal and impacted the fight in a major way so you have to take a point. Put your f***ing fingers away if you didn’t want a point taken because of an accidental foul, easy solution to that problem for Song!

Song came out after the 5 min break and kept doing the same thing too. Just get rid of rules if you’re not gonna enforce them. Herzog is a p***y…as a matter of fact they all have been recently. Just letting fighters get away with everything. They should get rid of all rules if they’re going to be timid little boys.

Point should’ve been taken and it should’ve been a majority draw. Song committed a foul that blinded a man in one eye i don’t really see an argument against taking a point, especially since they restarted the fight with a man clearly compromised by a foul.

Not only did he commit the foul, he kept doing the same exact thing, so it shows how much of a joke the rules are these days.

 

[MMC]

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

It's so offputting seeing a professional athlete, especially a fighter, do the up/down text internet speak bs. I knew he reminded me of Peter Dinklange.

 

[Taytro]

He was knuckle deep in his eye, that’s brutal. You can split hairs over terminology all you want but you can hopefully admit it was a really bad eye poke.

And I want fouls to be penalized, otherwise there is no point in having rules. Not all fouls- but if you commit 2 in short order and the last one was really bad then yeah idc if it’s unintentional, it’s illegal and impacted the fight in a major way so you have to take a point. Put your f***ing fingers away if you didn’t want a point taken because of an accidental foul, easy solution to that problem for Song!

Song came out after the 5 min break and kept doing the same thing too. Just get rid of rules if you’re not gonna enforce them. Herzog is a p***y…as a matter of fact they all have been recently. Just letting fighters get away with everything. They should get rid of all rules if they’re going to be timid little boys.

Point should’ve been taken and it should’ve been a majority draw. Song committed a foul that blinded a man in one eye i don’t really see an argument against taking a point, especially since they restarted the fight with a man clearly compromised by a foul.

Is it clearly accidental when Song continued to have his fingers pointing straight at Cejudo, before and after the eye poke.

They arent allowed to do that, they're either supposed to be pointing to the sky or in a closed fist.

Did y'all bet on Henry or something? You're acting like this doesn't happen all the time and that Song is a big offender or something. It was an eye poke, a bad one and everyone has agreed an accidental one. It happens every other show, it's very common and has been a common complaint. UFCs new gloves almost seem to make it worse, not better so the world goes on.

If you want the rules/sterness towards fouls to be treated differently then I'm open to that argument, but you can't flip flop when it suits you.

I also think it's silly to use the "blinded a man in one eye" comment because the doctor or Cejudo himself had every opportunity to stop the fight and they both decided he could see and it was restarted. What changed during the 1 minute restart after Henry had 5 minutes to evaluate his ability to see? He decided that he can see appropriately, and a doctor agreed. IMO Henry was either irresponsible and lied about his health, saying he could see and continue or he lied about his inability to see after the round. Who knows what would have happened if the fight ended after the injury as it should have.

 

[CDJ]

If you want the rules/sterness towards fouls to be treated differently then I'm open to that argument, but you can't flip flop when it suits you.

There is a reason why it’s you vs everybody else in here and nobody is flip flopping, that’s a straw man. Did you have money on Song perhaps? You’re acting like what we’re saying is crazy when well-known, rational people hold the same beliefs. I know I was pissed off when Weidman won against Bruno Silva by spamming eye pokes like he’s in the 3 stooges

It’s a really bad foul (accidental or not) that had serious consequences on the fight. That’s an indisputable fact, it is what it is. This coming from somebody who finished like 18 units up the other night, idrc about the result of the main event. All my money was on Font/Fluffy/Silva

Cejudo has a f***ed up cornea and double vision and pictures of his bloody eye and you’re out here questioning it when you saw Song was knuckle deep lmao like cmon. He tried to gut through it to the end of the round- he specifically was asking Herzog how much time he had to make it until the end of the round during his 5 min break- and then realized he couldn’t continue after fighting a minute and seeing multiple Song’s. Did you not notice him completely stop throwing and only trying to survive after the fight resumed?

I don’t even like Henry, that was just a complete botch job by Herzog. Take points when a guy commits multiple fouls. Take points on serious eye pokes that impact the outcome of the fight. They have completely stopped doing that. People are like “oh they don’t want to insert themselves in the fight”….uh it’s their literal f***ing job. If fighters don’t want the ref “getting involved” stop committing multiple fouls, one of which causing serious injury in this instance.

What is the point of having rules if you don’t want them enforced anyway?

honestly if Herzog didn’t want to do his job and take a point the fight should have been ruled a Song KO- the fight restarted and the round had ended and Henry refused to get up from his stool. You could hear the panic in Herzog’s voice in between rounds 3 and 4, he knew he botched the situation. I’d be pissed if I had Song by KO, and I know plenty of ppl who did.


I will close with this- they did a study and fighters who eye poke their opponents win like 63% of the time or something like that. It’s the definition of an unfair advantage, and they need to even that out by taking points on deep eyepokes. Many of the people who are fouled feel like they have to continue or they’re p***yes because of fans (like you in this instance) accusing them of faking it so they continue with the fight and lose because they can’t see well out of that eye. Credit to Henry for calling it quits, no need to see a 38 YO get chinned because he sees multiple Yadong Song’s out of one eye. If you saw that final minute of the fight you knew he was toast post-poke.

 

[CDJ]

Fans generally underestimate how impactful these fouls really are- both in the actual fight but also long term too. It’s one thing when it’s a light graze or something and the fighter is good to go in under a minute- I’m fine with warnings on the first of those. But if it’s a serious one where they’re inches deep into somebody’s eye….yeah there has to be real consequences for those in-fight

 

[MMC]

 

[CDJ]

If they want to actually significantly reduce eyepokes that’s how you do it. Guarantee you those fingers would get tucked way more often

It’s tougher to take points with low blows unless they’re repeated though, sometimes it’s a function of last second movement. Not much can be done to prevent. Eye pokes are easy prevent- stop sticking your fingers out, keep them in a fist when moving hand towards opponents face!

 

[CDJ]

Another person that strongly believes a point needed to be taken

 

[pistolpete11]

I agree with everything the "a point should have been taken" crowd is saying, but it's hard for me to get too worked up at Herzog. This stuff happens frequently without a point being taken, so clearly it's how the commission (and let's be serious, the UFC) are training the refs. For any example you can give me that a point was taken, there's probably 10 where there wasn't. Doesn't make it right, but that's the way it is.

I sympathize with Cejudo, but at the same time... it still rubs me the wrong way how vocal he was about it and something tells me he would have handled it differently if he wasn't clearly down in the fight.

I don't think a rematch is in the cards. Why would either guy want that? Song showed he's the better fighter at this point, so he should be looking forward. I think Cejudo is smart enough to realize Song's better, too, so he can hang onto the eye poke excuse and look for a different fight. Maybe something like Font or Aldo.

 

[CDJ]

I’d love Cejudo-Aldo, and I’d dump a lot of money on Aldo