Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[TieClark]

It may not be 1st but we'll be getting a high pick and we'll even be trying to win games.

Maybe. We could also end up with a mid teens pick

 

[mix1home]

No thanks.

If Nonis is true to his word, that is, "will only trade a young player for another young player" then this trade doesn't happen.

Besides, as has been discussed, at least one of Komisarek, Connolly or Lombardi has to go West in any deal.

I dont know why Connolly name is not there in trade proposals.
He is UFA after this year that allows Van cap flexibility. He capable of holding the fort until Kesler is back. Throw in one of our D prospects that are ready for NHL and we have a deal. I think it's not mentioned enough that Lou IS CAP DUMP, as acquiring team relieves Van of 5.33 now and takes 6M+ in penalty for cap circumventing contract.

These are exactly their needs. Stop gap center and young D.

 

[Confucius]

Maybe. We could also end up with a mid teens pick

I don't see where we improved over last year. Actually we got pretty bad after Wilson left.

 

[mix1home]

Can someone please explain to me where Kadri or Bozak fit in the Canucks depth chart?

Kadri would not crack their lineup as there is no place for him in top 6 and they actually have checking line. I think Kadri for them is an opportunity to snatch something of value from us for the Lou that they MUST trade anyway and at ANY COST.

Bozak for them is just stop gap on second line and will have no place to play when Kesler is back (4th line maybe). No need to mention that he is much more valuable to our team as person who has chemistry with our 2 star forwards.

 

[mix1home]

Does anybody think that Van is just bluffing when they say that they are comfortable going into this season with Lou on roster as insurance in G position for deep playoffs run?

Because come the summer Van will need to pay US to take Lou from them as there is no way they can get under the cap with that albatross contract and I don't see owners paying 40M to buy him out. Owners would rather part with assets to get rid of him.

What about Lou+1st+1st++ for Lebda type player?

 

[Captain Clutch 13]

If Schneider didn't exist and the Leafs wanted Luongo than a blue chip prospect or two would make sense, but considering the Canucks want to get rid of Luongo and his contract is huge Luongo's value goes down considerably.

I would offer Bozak, Franson, 2nd round pick. If they reject just say fine, you can keep that contract and pay 8 million for 2 goalies, we'll be here when you're ready.

 

[Rockinz]

Does anybody think that Van is just bluffing when they say that they are comfortable going into this season with Lou on roster as insurance in G position for deep playoffs run?

Because come the summer Van will need to pay US to take Lou from them as there is no way they can get under the cap with that albatross contract and I don't see owners paying 40M to buy him out. Owners would rather part with assets to get rid of him.

What about Lou+1st+1st++ for Lebda type player?

i want every nuck fan in the world to read that post

 

[Stats01]

Does anybody think that Van is just bluffing when they say that they are comfortable going into this season with Lou on roster as insurance in G position for deep playoffs run?

Because come the summer Van will need to pay US to take Lou from them as there is no way they can get under the cap with that albatross contract and I don't see owners paying 40M to buy him out. Owners would rather part with assets to get rid of him.

What about Lou+1st+1st++ for Lebda type player?

Although having 9 million in cap space dedicated to goaltending is obviously not good cap management, they do have those two buy-outs they can use. Not sure who they would use it on but there's always ways around the cap. It would tough but I don't think they're bluffing. Now with saying that, they aren't getting anywhere close to a Gardiner or Rielly or our first thats for sure.

 

[mix1home]

Although having 9 million in cap space dedicated to goaltending is obviously not good cap management, they do have those two buy-outs they can use. Not sure who they would use it on but there's always ways around the cap. It would tough but I don't think they're bluffing. Now with saying that, they aren't getting anywhere close to a Gardiner or Rielly or our first thats for sure.

I'm sorry, but no. There is no way around the cap. This will be crunch time for a lot of teams in the summer. Van must then buyout _significant_ player that is part of their core and they cannot resign that player. They would need that player or players to compete, but they will buy them out all while having doube-punch in the net? This is hard to believe scenario.

They buy out Lou and we can sign him for no assets at all and for league minimum so to stick it to Van to pay the difference.

Isn't it better if they get at least something out of it like young D in Franson and stop gap center in Connolly that is off the books in the summer and is needed now to play in Kesler spot?

I'm sure Nonis knows it and Gills knows it too.

 

[Warden of the North]

I don't see where we improved over last year. Actually we got pretty bad after Wilson left.

The final third of last year we were so bad there is no chance we'll repeat that. Without checking all of Leafs history, I'd say it probably the worst collapse the Leafs have ever had. Its virtually unprecedented.

You're never as good as your best streaks, and never as bad as your worst streaks. i think last years team was closer to the first half then the second.

 

[Leafs87]

In their draft years...

Jonathan Toews - 2 points in 6 games
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Didn't make the WJC team
Tyler Seguin - Didn't make WJC team
Matt Duchene - Didn't make WJC team
Jordan Staal - Didn't make WJC team
Bobby Ryan - Didn't make WJC team
Eric Staal - Didn't make WJC team

MacKinnon made the WJC team, as a 17 year old, in a lockout year.

That's pretty good.

I would like to point out that only RNH and Duchene played a big role in their draft season...

 

[hotpaws]

The final third of last year we were so bad there is no chance we'll repeat that. Without checking all of Leafs history, I'd say it probably the worst collapse the Leafs have ever had. Its virtually unprecedented.

You're never as good as your best streaks, and never as bad as your worst streaks. i think last years team was closer to the first half then the second.

There was really no first half . There was a hot streak of 15 or so games to start the year but if you took away that hot spell and our death spiral the team played around .500 which isn't close to getting you in the playoffs .

 

[RogerRoeper*]

The idea Burke was fired over Luongo is horsebleep. They did not like him and wanted him gone.

 

[sangreale]

I really feel trading for Luongo is insane. The new rules re. a player retiring before a contract is up would make his contract suicidal. Imagine taking the full cap on the last 3 - 5 years of his contract. This would come at a time in which you hopefully will have built a solid team and would need all the cap space you could have.

Anyone who trades for this guy would be in a worse spot than Gillis is in now with this contract. He is not going to be easier to trade in three years.

I sure as H e double hockey sticks hope all this reported above is true.

 

[sangreale]

The idea Burke was fired over Luongo is horsebleep. They did not like him and wanted him gone.

Based on the information you have which you are not willing to share with us?


People who have money and power do not care whether they like a person or not. They are not interested in Burke as a prospective son in law. They did not like what he has done so far and what he wanted to do.

 

[rdawg1234]

I really feel trading for Luongo is insane. The new rules re. a player retiring before a contract is up would make his contract suicidal. Imagine taking the full cap on the last 3 - 5 years of his contract. This would come at a time in which you hopefully will have built a solid team and would need all the cap space you could have.

Anyone who trades for this guy would be in a worse spot than Gillis is in now with this contract. He is not going to be easier to trade in three years.

I sure as H e double hockey sticks hope all this reported above is true.

I thought it was paid by or split with the team that signed him?

either way I personally dont see it as a big deal. a 5 mil caphit now MAYBE, but a 5 mil cap hit then when the cap will be in the 80 millions, won't be hurting us much. Money wise I wouldn't care, it's the freaking leafs!

 

[Gatorade*]

The idea Burke was fired over Luongo is horsebleep. They did not like him and wanted him gone.

Totally. Guy was an ahole of massive proportions.

I have been walking on sunshine all week.

Now, get rid of the cronies he brought in and we have a slam dunk!

 

[Duke Silver]

I really feel trading for Luongo is insane. The new rules re. a player retiring before a contract is up would make his contract suicidal. Imagine taking the full cap on the last 3 - 5 years of his contract. This would come at a time in which you hopefully will have built a solid team and would need all the cap space you could have.

Anyone who trades for this guy would be in a worse spot than Gillis is in now with this contract. He is not going to be easier to trade in three years.

I sure as H e double hockey sticks hope all this reported above is true.

I don't know what's worse: spending 4 months without NHL hockey, or having to spend the next 10 years explaining the new CBA to people.

 

[RogerRoeper*]

Based on the information you have which you are not willing to share with us?


People who have money and power do not care whether they like a person or not. They are not interested in Burke as a prospective son in law. They did not like what he has done so far and what he wanted to do.

Everyone on Sportsnet tonight agreed with my opinion.

And yes, Rogers/Bell care if they like Burke or not. Are you kidding?

 

[hockeywiz542]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...e-goes-from-elated-to-crushed/article7266411/

“Really, really excited,†Burke said.

Three days later, he was really, really crushed, stunned by being fired as Leafs GM before the puck could even drop on a season that might have been the measure of Brian Burke, had not his new bosses decided a pre-emptive strike was in order.

He had been in charge of hockey’s only $1-billion club for four years. The Maple Leafs had not made the playoffs in that time but were supposedly rebuilding from many more years of bad decisions and a Stanley Cup drought that dates to black-and-white television.

He had been GM of the Hartford Whalers, Vancouver Canucks and Anaheim Ducks, with whom he had won a Cup in 2007. This, however, was his first firing – and friends say it was devastating and unexpected.

New ownership had also let him go in Vancouver by simply refusing to renew his contract. New ownership is like that in hockey: Very successful men in other fields become owners and find, for perhaps the first time, they are recognized and quoted and, being successful in previous enterprises, instantly decide they are experts in their new one. It is a familiar story and often a harmful one.

General managers in sport prefer to maintain control, to keep their own counsel. Perhaps the new owners of the team’s parent company, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd., didn’t feel they were privy enough to Burke’s master plan. Perhaps they didn’t feel he respected them enough as hockey people. After all, they owned the team; they must know something.

 

[sangreale]

Everyone on Sportsnet tonight agreed with my opinion.

And yes, Rogers/Bell care if they like Burke or not. Are you kidding?

I think you have missed the point. Read what I posted about people in positions of power. If you don't get that then you don't get it.

PS You must have misunderstood them. I am pretty sure at least Shannon is not that stupid.

 

[sangreale]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/spor...e-goes-from-elated-to-crushed/article7266411/

In fact they understood exactly what he was about to do. Bring a player in on a ruinous contract in order to save face. ie. He put himself before the team.

 

[DD03]

Only way they are getting Gardiner or Rielly is if the deal is way bigger then just Luongo. Simple as that.

 

[leugangen]

Only way they are getting Gardiner or Rielly is if the deal is way bigger then just Luongo. Simple as that.

Yep, especially with Nonis saying he will only give up young players for young players.

 

[maroon 6]

Does anybody think that Van is just bluffing when they say that they are comfortable going into this season with Lou on roster as insurance in G position for deep playoffs run?

Because come the summer Van will need to pay US to take Lou from them as there is no way they can get under the cap with that albatross contract and I don't see owners paying 40M to buy him out. Owners would rather part with assets to get rid of him.

What about Lou+1st+1st++ for Lebda type player?

Not sure if serious...