Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[Heista18*]

jvr up the middle if bozak is gone ?

Maybe, but most likely naz or connolly

 

[LeafsNationRep]

Can't there be other alternatives to find a goaltender. I mean, it would be CRAZY if we gave up Gardiner or Kadri at this point. If that what it takes to get Luongo then forget about it, the price is too high.

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

Cody Franson + Stuart Percy + 2nd Round Pick

 

[LeafsNationRep]

Cody Franson + Stuart Percy + 2nd Round Pick

I think that's fair, but unfortunately the Canucks are so greedy so they will want more.

 

[Rob Brown]

Cody Franson + Stuart Percy + 2nd Round Pick

I'd be fine with this.

 

[p.l.f.]

1st rd pick?
that might seal the deal

 

[ULF_55]

In fact they understood exactly what he was about to do. Bring a player in on a ruinous contract in order to save face. ie. He put himself before the team.

Will we ever know what he was going to do?

He could have been looking at making the Luongo trade to save his job or he could have decided the cost was too high and would live without playoffs.

Perhaps if he had fired Ronnie when the mob was building the scaffold over 2 years ago things would have been different. But when you put your own personal agenda above the good of the organization you have effectively lit the fuse.

 

[Lucafen4]

Personally,

I'd rather re-open talks with LA about Bernier. Cheaper and can sign him to an appropriate contract. Take left over assets from not trading for Luongo and find a proper C. I would be willing to take less now to have more tomorrow

I realize the risk as Bernier is not a proven commodity, but with risk comes reward.

Bernier and Reimer can platoon until one wins the clear starting job.

Having a cap hit of 1.667m for 4 years after Lu retires at 39 does not seem like a brilliant option.

 

[ULF_55]

Can't there be other alternatives to find a goaltender. I mean, it would be CRAZY if we gave up Gardiner or Kadri at this point. If that what it takes to get Luongo then forget about it, the price is too high.

IIRC Primetime they talked about it and no one there would even consider giving up Rielly or Gardiner, but they didn't state the same opinion on Kadri.

 

[Cor]

Totally. Guy was an ahole of massive proportions.

I have been walking on sunshine all week.

Now, get rid of the cronies he brought in and we have a slam dunk!

An ahole that spent most of his off time doing charity. Makes sense.

I don't care if you didn't like Burke's managerial skills. However you can't judge his character. He probably has one of the biggest hearts in the league

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Under normal circumstances, I would agree, but Luongo's contract situation changes the dynamics of an equitable transaction entirely. In that sense, Grabovski is still an overpayment in my opinion. He is one of our best players on a consistent basis, and he is entering the prime of his career.

Not if we use that 5.5 next year to sign another top 6 C, players on that list could be:

And hope one of Kadri or Colborne are ready for the NHL.

List of UFA C's next year:

Getzlaf
Weiss
Ribeiro
Mcdonald
Roy
Zajac
Elias
Antropov

The list of UFA Goalies is not as promising, sure Nonis is factoring this in. I would love to have Getzlaf and Weiss/Zajac, one can dream though.

 

[BillyD]

An ahole that spent most of his off time doing charity. Makes sense.

I don't care if you didn't like Burke's managerial skills. However you can't judge his character. He probably has one of the biggest hearts in the league

um, i think you just judged his character

 

[p.l.f.]

kadri struggles just to make the 3rd line
now he's our top center?

they'd have to go with connolly.
when he starts looking tired after 10 games then we'll see

 

[Cor]

um, i think you just judged his character

Judging in this sense is purely negative.

 

[ULF_55]

kadri struggles just to make the 3rd line
now he's our top center?

they'd have to go with connolly.
when he starts looking tired after 10 games then we'll see

Some people are just impatient when it comes to judging prospects.

People fall into this scale:

Bust ...........developing slowly...........developing nicely...........developed fully.......a great player.

 

[p.l.f.]

stepping stones for naz:
step 1:3rd line
step 2:2nd line
step 3:1st line

 

[hizzoner]

Bell and Rogers paid a big price to get MLSE. They need to produce revenue if the suits who made that decision are to satisy the shareholders and board of directors. To do that means winning and getting into the playoffs. This will also mean higher numbers for Leafs TV and more money from advertising on tv/radio. They do that and they net about 2$million+ per home playoff game and they sell even more product at inflated prices. If Luongo gets them 8 or 10 playoff games over this year and next the business decision to buy MLSE looks sweet maybe thirty or million in increased net revenue. They can still buy out a contract or 2 and have tons of cap room to buy some star UFAs. In the meantime the cap grows and ten years from now the cap hit is like paying for Darcy Tucker--a mere annoyance.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Weighing potential Luongo trade for Maple Leafs

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=413378

Adding a goaltender of such status would give the Leafs a legitimate 3-5 year window to make the playoffs (a likely time-frame for Luongo to remain elite) and eventually compete for a Stanley Cup. Luongo turns 34 in April. It's conceivable that he could play toward his 40th birthday – Brodeur turns 41 in May – if he's interested in such a timeline, which is far from certain.

Luongo would boost the Leafs playoff chances immediately and significantly, further legitimizing their crease in a conference that includes the likes of Henrik Lundqvist, Marc-Andre Fleury, Carey Price, Martin Brodeur, Tuukka Rask, Ryan Miller, Cam Ward, and Ondrej Pavelec. The club would no longer be at a disadvantage in goal when facing off against conference peers. Luongo's presence would also radiate amongst his new teammates, eliminating the constant angst that comes with weak goaltending.

The free agent class for the summer of 2013 looks to be promising. With Luongo on board, the Leafs would have upwards of $17 million available (more is possible with any buyouts exercised) with an inclination to add one or two major pieces, the likes of Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry and Alex Edler potentially on the market. Suddenly, the Leafs could possess an interesting and dangerous core for 2013-2014 that would include Luongo, Jake Gardiner, Morgan Rielly, Phil Kessel (expiring), Dion Phaneuf (expiring), James Van Riemsdyk, Mikhail Grabovski, John-Michael Liles along with said free addition one and two.

Such a core would, at the very least, make the Leafs an intriguing candidate in the East. One that's capable of competing for a Stanley Cup? That's the question.

And what of the cap penalties the Leafs would face at the outset of Luongo's retirement? Those would be happily accepted if they brought a Stanley Cup conversation to Toronto.

Without Luongo, the Leafs would obviously be less likely to make the playoffs this season and in the immediate future moving forward. The organization would hedge its bets in goal on James Reimer, Ben Scrivens and Jussi Rynnas, gambling that one or more develops into a capable starting NHL netminder.

Decreasing their odds at the postseason this year would offer the club an opportunity to land a top pick in the 2013 NHL draft, a draft that includes potential cornerstones Seth Jones and Nathan MacKinnon. Snatching either one of the two, not to mention Aleksander Barkov, would be significant for the long-term future of the Leafs, an opportunity to inject a franchise-changing talent for the first time since Mats Sundin. The club would then build around the trio of Gardiner, Rielly and said prospect with an eye toward now and later.

The long-term savings of not making the deal are also significant. Luongo has 10 years left on a contract that carries an annual cap hit of $5.3 million, hefty salary implications for a goaltender moving upward in age. Pocketing the extra $5.3 million in cap space annually, the Leafs could add even more this summer – notably boosting their defence – with just under $23 million to play with (again, more with any buyouts) amid a strong free agent class. Future flexibility would also remain intact with Phaneuf and Kessel set to become unrestricted free agents following the 2013-2014 season.

 

[iArts]

Are there any fresh news from insiders?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

jesus esque face right here lol

 

[TML g u n n e R s*]

My prediction is deal will be done by 12:30 monday

 

[Warden of the North]

Are there any fresh news from insiders?

Everything is in a holding pattern until the MoU is finished

 

[iArts]

Everything is in a holding pattern until the MoU is finished

Isn't it already finished? I thought players voting ended at 8AM today.

 

[Felstead]

Isn't it already finished? I thought players voting ended at 8AM today.

IIRC Both parties need to officially sign off, that has not been done yet.

 

[DopeyFish]

Isn't it already finished? I thought players voting ended at 8AM today.

The vote was to ratify

In order ratify they must sign the CBA or a very complicated MoU

The MoU needs to be ready for both the NHL and NHLPA to officially ratify the CBA