Post-Game Talk: Lou unable to beat a team lead by Joe Woll. Leafs win 3-0.

[francis246]

Semantics zeke

Buckling down means overcoming your immaturity and adhering to the system even though you think you know more than the coach

perhaps you missed this part; It's like breaking a good thoroughbred, it's done in stages and it's sometimes seen as cruel to people who are casual observers, but when done right it often results in a champion.

While you may not like or approve of Babs methods, you are starting to see the fruit of the seeds he planted.

exactly, well said

 

[francis246]

Who said I'm offended? It clear that Babcock couldn't get them t do it and Keefe could. The proof is in the pudding.

which shows the immaturity of the group at that time. And proves many peoples point, they had it in them all along, they just chose not to do it for babcock. Which is immature as f*** and it’s because they didn’t like him which is fair, he was a dick. There couldn’t have been anything different keefe really said day 1 that babcock wasn’t already saying. It was just they decided to actually give a damn and put in effort with keefe. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter anymore, they have the mindset now and it’s helping us win games. It’s nice to see

 

[Auston Marlander]

which shows the immaturity of the group at that time. And proves many peoples point, they had it in them all along, they just chose not to do it for babcock. Which is immature as f*** and it’s because they didn’t like him which is fair, he was a dick. There couldn’t have been anything different keefe really said day 1 that babcock wasn’t already saying. It was just they decided to actually give a damn and put in effort with keefe. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter anymore, they have the mindset now and it’s helping us win games. It’s nice to see

Or it shows Babcock no longer knows how to get a message across. Yelling at players or having a player make lists about work ethic and sharing it with the team may have worked 20 years ago, but it's not an effective leadership style now. Babcock is out to pasture for a reason.

 

[RaFe]

All in all it's just another win for the Woll

Dark sarcasm!

 

[francis246]

Or it shows Babcock no longer knows how to get a message across. Yelling at players or having a player make lists about work ethic and sharing it with the team may have worked 20 years ago, but it's not an effective leadership style now. Babcock is out to pasture for a reason.

cant both be true? I don’t get why it has to be one or the other. Babcock was a dick, but so are a lot of other coaches. That doesn’t give them a right to completely mail it in either (which they did to start the season) it was pretty clear they just had no effort up until he was gone and that’s pretty unprofessional of them and I get it. They were young but it’s still on them bc the coaches don’t go out there and play, they players do.

Again at the end of the day it doesn’t matter now! They are finding ways to win. They have matured from that situation and are playing a lot better.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

cant both be true? I don’t get why it has to be one or the other. Babcock was a dick, but so are a lot of other coaches. That doesn’t give them a right to completely mail it in either (which they did to start the season) it was pretty clear they just had no effort up until he was gone and that’s pretty unprofessional of them and I get it. They were young but it’s still on them bc the coaches don’t go out there and play, they players do.

Again at the end of the day it doesn’t matter now! They are finding ways to win. They have matured from that situation and are playing a lot better.

They could hypothetically both be true, but there's a lot of evidence that points to Babcock not being a good coach and zero evidence that the core players just didn't feel like playing defense for Babcock

 

[TheBeastCoast]

cant both be true? I don’t get why it has to be one or the other. Babcock was a dick, but so are a lot of other coaches. That doesn’t give them a right to completely mail it in either (which they did to start the season) it was pretty clear they just had no effort up until he was gone and that’s pretty unprofessional of them and I get it. They were young but it’s still on them bc the coaches don’t go out there and play, they players do.

Again at the end of the day it doesn’t matter now! They are finding ways to win. They have matured from that situation and are playing a lot better.

So why are you so hell bent on Babcock 2 years after he was let go then? At the end of the day the exact reason they are playing better defense then they were under Babcock means jack shit. They weren't doing it for Babcock so Babcock had to go. They are playing and have played well for Keefe. If that changes then Keefe can go as well. Coaches are more expendable then players. In other news, water is wet.

 

[francis246]

They could hypothetically both be true, but there's a lot of evidence that points to Babcock not being a good coach and zero evidence that the core players just didn't feel like playing defense for Babcock

Babcock multiple finals, Olympic gold, Stanley cup

Maple Leafs, 1st round exits.

listen I don’t want to turn this thread into a babcock thread, idc that he’s gone, he’s whatever to me. I quite like Keefe. But let’s not start spitting bullshit. Babcock is an asshole but he’s a good coach, who is detailed and knows his stuff. End of story, He’s better without the leafs and leafs are better without him now.

 

[francis246]

So why are you so hell bent on Babcock 2 years after he was let go then? At the end of the day the exact reason they are playing better defense then they were under Babcock means jack shit. They weren't doing it for Babcock so Babcock had to go. They are playing and have played well for Keefe. If that changes then Keefe can go as well. Coaches are more expendable then players. In other news, water is wet.

Im not hell bent on him at all, Zeke does what Zeke does best. He bring Babcock into the conversation out of no where, I reply to it and you fools start jumping all over me without going back and reading the start of the convo.

this has to do with recognizing compete level, I didn’t even mention Babcock until Zeke brought him up

 

[81Leafs50]

Lou has run the NYI in the ground. Bad cap management. LAST PLACE

GO Leafs GO!!

Big shout out to Joseph Woll on a great game.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

More smothering defense gets the kid a shutout. Very nice.

But hey core 4 you can start scoring any time now. Maybe flip marner and willy back, coach.

And suck it, Islanders. Don't care about your injuries.

Weird thing to say when Marner scored 2 of our 3 goals last night.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Hit at least 3 posts on Saturday and I think 2 yesterday. If anything, I'd say leafs have been unlucky.

That sounds like truth how dare you in a leaf thread lol

 

[Auston Marlander]

cant both be true? I don’t get why it has to be one or the other. Babcock was a dick, but so are a lot of other coaches. That doesn’t give them a right to completely mail it in either (which they did to start the season) it was pretty clear they just had no effort up until he was gone and that’s pretty unprofessional of them and I get it. They were young but it’s still on them bc the coaches don’t go out there and play, they players do.

Again at the end of the day it doesn’t matter now! They are finding ways to win. They have matured from that situation and are playing a lot better.

I just don't see how Babcock can get any credit. He may have had the same idea, but couldn't implement it...he couldn't do his job. He also didn't have the same team, there has been a fair amount of change over.

This current team is a result of the GM bringing in new players, the coach getting theost out of his players, and the players buying into the coach. This isn't the house that Babcock built, it's the house that Keefe built.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Babcock multiple finals, Olympic gold, Stanley cup

Maple Leafs, 1st round exits.

listen I don’t want to turn this thread into a babcock thread, idc that he’s gone, he’s whatever to me. I quite like Keefe. But let’s not start spitting bullshit. Babcock is an asshole but he’s a good coach, who is detailed and knows his stuff. End of story, He’s better without the leafs and leafs are better without him now.

Was a good coach. If he were still good he'd be behind and NHL bench.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Babcock multiple finals, Olympic gold, Stanley cup

Maple Leafs, 1st round exits.

listen I don’t want to turn this thread into a babcock thread, idc that he’s gone, he’s whatever to me. I quite like Keefe. But let’s not start spitting bullshit. Babcock is an asshole but he’s a good coach, who is detailed and knows his stuff. End of story, He’s better without the leafs and leafs are better without him now.

how is Babcock better without the Leafs? He's coaching at the university of Saskatchewan and looks like he'll never coach in the NHL again. In any case, he doesn't deserve a free pass for the team being horrendous defensively for his entire time with the Leafs just because you want to speculate that the players chose not to play defense for him at any point and that there was nothing he could do about it

 

[therealkoho]

Not the entire game, specific plays. It's fine if you don't see it. many do.

I've been seeing it since he's been a Marlie/Leaf, peeps here just called me a hater

Who said I'm offended? It clear that Babcock couldn't get them to do it and Keefe could. The proof is in the pudding.

I'm kind of puzzled who said anything about being offended?

It's not semantics. It's all the difference in the world.

Good coaching makes is easier for the players to be good by giving them a smart system where everyone knows what everyone is doing.

Bad coaches just yell at the players to play harder instead of giving them the system to succeed - which makes it even more discouraging for your players when the opposition teams DO have smart game plans which makes all your extra effort futile, and they laugh at your flailing as they easily shut you down and move the puck as a team.

You didn't watch the Amazon thing? You think Keefe doesn't peel paint off the walls occasionally?

Bert Templeton was one of the best coaches ever in CJH, 2nd man to 800 wins Brian Kilrea was first, Templeton was twice OHL's Coach of the Year, he won an OHL title he won a Silver with a club team in the World Jr's, the days before Canada sent an All star team, he was also accused of physical abuse by former NHLer Dennis Wideman the same poor sport who ran a linesman from behind then whined that the NHL was being unfair in suspending him, those accusations went nowhere.

I was lucky enough to play under him one year, the absolutely best coach I ever had, but if you missed an assignment or was out of position, or didn't hustle the guy could reduce you to tears. What I'll also tell you is that there wasn't one guy in the dressing room and we had two 20 year olds, I was youngest at 15, that wouldn't have gone through a wall for Coach Templeton he became a second father to every man in that dressing room. I can't tell you how many former players attended a memorial for him.

which shows the immaturity of the group at that time. And proves many peoples point, they had it in them all along, they just chose not to do it for babcock. Which is immature as f*** and it’s because they didn’t like him which is fair, he was a dick. There couldn’t have been anything different keefe really said day 1 that babcock wasn’t already saying. It was just they decided to actually give a damn and put in effort with keefe. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter anymore, they have the mindset now and it’s helping us win games. It’s nice to see

pretty much spot on

 

[Apex Predator]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close.

To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

 

[francis246]

how is Babcock better without the Leafs? He's coaching at the university of Saskatchewan and looks like he'll never coach in the NHL again. In any case, he doesn't deserve a free pass for the team being horrendous defensively for his entire time with the Leafs just because you want to speculate that the players chose not to play defense for him at any point and that there was nothing he could do about it

Who cares man, he’s moved on so should we. You think he cares? Still getting paid millions and can relax and I’m not so sure he never gets a job again.

also it’s not speculative it’s truth lmao

 

[Doublerum1975]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close.

To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

20 shots 15 were HD chances for New York doesn’t sound right

 

[Cpt Maple Leaf]

I say it every game and I'll say it again. Kase is the most reckless player I've ever watched. Does zero to protect himself out there.

Grabo says hello lol

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Who cares man, he’s moved on so should we. You think he cares? Still getting paid millions and can relax and I’m not so sure he never gets a job again.

also it’s not speculative it’s truth lmao

Clearly you care, because you keep bringing it up. Don't make ridiculous claims if you don't want people to challenge them.

But yeah, keep living in your world where Babcock is an amazing coach that the players just randomly decided from day 1 to his last game to never play defense for, and then randomly did the exact opposite for Keefe. Nobody else is buying it

 

[Cecithepylon]

Love the boys lately. This is how we win games. 3 goals none allowed awesome

 

[Apex Predator]

20 shots 15 were HD chances for New York doesn’t sound right

might have been chances not shots. I’ll have to re listen. I’m trying to find some site that’s shows those stats.

 

[ACC1224]

Who cares man, he’s moved on so should we. You think he cares? Still getting paid millions and can relax and I’m not so sure he never gets a job again.

also it’s not speculative it’s truth lmao

If he chooses he will coach again 100%.

 

[zeke]

It's just so blatant, and so immediate.

Expected goals against

16-17 (Babcock): #28
17-18 (Babcock): #22
18-19 (Babcock): #22
19-20 (Babcock): #26

19-20 (Keefe): #10
20-21 (Keefe): #7
21-22 (Keefe): #5