Post-Game Talk: Lou unable to beat a team lead by Joe Woll. Leafs win 3-0.

[Notsince67]

It's crazy how many tight games we are winning in this fashion with a league low shooting%

This team going to skyrocket when the big guns get going

Leafs are second in the league for shot quality differential/60 in all situations
They are dead last in Shooting Goals Above Expected/60

The disparity is crazy. This is akin to a dam ready to break.
If they can get out of their own heads for awhile and minimize stupid lapses to level out the short term lows, this team is going to punish teams.

 

[Dekes For Days]

they played better for about 5 games and then completely reverted back to the same play they did under Babcock. They were a lottery team that benefited from a Covid expanded playoffs.

None of this is true. They consistently played better defensively and overall for the rest of the season, posting the 8th best record and the 10th best defensive results, despite being decimated by injuries. They would have made the playoffs under any format, and weren't remotely close to a "lottery team".

 

[ACC1224]

i don’t know why you keep acting like I’m a Dubas hater? I don’t really care who the GM is, as long as they produce a winner. I’m not on team Lou or team Dubas, so stop trying to mention it like that.

I also love how you continually take responsibility off the players. It doesn’t matter who the coach is, they should have and could have been better defensively in 17/18 and 18/19, they just weren’t. That’s on them as much as it’s on the coaching staff! We also saw in the docuseries that Keefe had the exact same complaints that the past coach did so save it lol.

okay let’s give context, they played better for about 5 games and then completely reverted back to the same play they did under Babcock. They were a lottery team that benefited from a Covid expanded playoffs. So let’s call a spade a spade it wasn’t until the full season under keefe and some personnel changes in the summer where they did find their stride defensively.

Any criticism means you hate Dubas, his glasses and worship Lou Lam.
When you're a spreadsheet warrior everyone has to be in the correct column.

 

[zeke]

Well then! That's the thing about trying to get 20 men to play as a unit, sometimes you have to be an asshole and force them into paying attention to details for the good of the team. Break poor habits that they've developed over years of coaches not challenging them to change, because they don't want the prodigy getting peeved, so instead just let them do what they want.

It's weird that you're so offended that the players have had to buckle down in order to win in the world's toughest league. What wins in Junior doesn't win in the pros.

It's like breaking a good thoroughbred, it's done in stages and it's sometimes seen as cruel to people who are casual observers, but when done right it often results in a champion.

While you may not like or approve of Babs methods, you are starting to see the fruit of the seeds he planted. No reason to be bitter my friend he didn't do any damage to them nor you.

This idea that defense is just "buckling down" and "working harder" instead of actually implementing real defensive systems that actually make it easier for your players "buckle down" and be good defensively is exactly why Babcock sucks as a coach.

 

[therealkoho]

He'll bounce. Everyone goes through a slump

sometimes self-inflicted, as Willies most always are

Nylander played a little scared last night, thought he was past that but it was apparent last night.
Seems to be something we just need to get use to at this point.

I don't think he's "scared", JMO but I don't think you can reach the NHL if you can get scared off of your game

It's one thing to, play in the 70's and contracting the Philly flu and beg off games because you didn't like the dirty stuff the Flyers constantly pulled that could end your career. Never forget how they beat the Bruins in that SC final, they brutalized Orr and I'm convinced to this day they took 3 years off of his career.

Nobody thankfully does that kind of idiocy anymore, and the game is better off for it. I actually stopped paying any real attention to the league from 74 through 76, I hated what Shero had done to the game and all the time the league allowing it, especially after the Russians showed us how the game could be played in 72. I digress

I think for Willie, he gets in a funk because he doesn't like how he perceives things are going and how those things effect him. I think he loves playing with the big dog a lot more than with the savvy veteran. I don't think he has anything against JT or means him any disrespect but Matthews brings a kind of glamour and spotlight he likes. It may be a slight flaw that he doesn't see the value in being JT's running mate and in fact I think Matthews style suits his game better then does JT's. He just needs to suck it up and get his head in the game and he'll be good. Hopefully this "slump" only last's another period or so, jeebuzz it's wasn't all that long ago they would last for eight and ten game stretches.

 

[zeke]

They only had four regulars out on Covid protocol. Johnston isn't a regular, he's played 5 minutes in one game this season and averaged 8 minutes in 12 games last year. Beauvillier must have been an inconclusive test or false positive because he only missed the Calgary game, he was back in the lineup against the Leafs.

Obviously it still sucks, and add to that Pulock out with an injury and Nelson going down early in the game. But they were pretty far off from Ottawa territory.

Edit: Forgot Bellows, but he's not really a regular either.

Pelech, Pulock is pretty huge i'll give them that. Nelson going down early hurts too as he's imo their most underrated player and one of the few that's been playing well this year.

Lee and Bailey....kinda meh really. Neither have played well, and lee wasn't part of their success last year anyways.

and like you said the other names are nobodies.

 

[Ciao]

I never tire of seeing the Leafs beat the Islanders.

I don't mind their managers, coaches and players, but I really can't stand Islander fans.

I would just as happy if the Islanders never win another game.

 

[ACC1224]

sometimes self-inflicted, as Willies most always are



I don't think he's "scared", JMO but I don't think you can reach the NHL if you can get scared off of your game

It's one thing to, play in the 70's and contracting the Philly flu and beg off games because you didn't like the dirty stuff the Flyers constantly pulled that could end your career. Never forget how they beat the Bruins in that SC final, they brutalized Orr and I'm convinced to this day they took 3 years off of his career.

Nobody thankfully does that kind of idiocy anymore, and the game is better off for it. I actually stopped paying any real attention to the league from 74 through 76, I hated what Shero had done to the game and all the time the league allowing it, especially after the Russians showed us how the game could be played in 72. I digress

I think for Willie, he gets in a funk because he doesn't like how he perceives things are going and how those things effect him. I think he loves playing with the big dog a lot more than with the savvy veteran. I don't think he has anything against JT or means him any disrespect but Matthews brings a kind of glamour and spotlight he likes. It may be a slight flaw that he doesn't see the value in being JT's running mate and in fact I think Matthews style suits his game better then does JT's. He just needs to suck it up and get his head in the game and he'll be good. Hopefully this "slump" only last's another period or so, jeebuzz it's wasn't all that long ago they would last for eight and ten game stretches.

Use whatever word you like. Scared is the term I've always heard and Nylander isn't the first guy to play scared in the league.

 

[zeke]

i don’t know why you keep acting like I’m a Dubas hater? I don’t really care who the GM is, as long as they produce a winner. I’m not on team Lou or team Dubas, so stop trying to mention it like that.

I also love how you continually take responsibility off the players. It doesn’t matter who the coach is, they should have and could have been better defensively in 17/18 and 18/19, they just weren’t. That’s on them as much as it’s on the coaching staff! We also saw in the docuseries that Keefe had the exact same complaints that the past coach did so save it lol.

okay let’s give context, they played better for about 5 games and then completely reverted back to the same play they did under Babcock. They were a lottery team that benefited from a Covid expanded playoffs. So let’s call a spade a spade it wasn’t until the full season under keefe and some personnel changes in the summer where they did find their stride defensively.

all of this is false.

after being horrific defensively every year under Babcock, they were immediately good defensively after Keefe took over - and stayed good defnesively even when they lost half their defense to injury that first season.

that's calling a spade a spade.

 

[LeafChief]

The Leafs won a game many thought they wouldn't and instead of being happy, the usual characters are upset because a joke was made about their Lord and Saviour Lou Lam.

The references to spreadsheets always makes me laugh too. Numbers aren't that hard to understand if you use your brain a little. It's not that scary!

 

[francis246]

Any criticism means you hate Dubas, his glasses and worship Lou Lam.
When you're a spreadsheet warrior everyone has to be in the correct column.

he has to turn every statement into a Babcock vs keefe argument or Lou vs Dubas argument it’s so annoying

 

[therealkoho]

This idea that defense is just "buckling down" and "working harder" instead of actually implementing real defensive systems that actually make it easier for your players "buckle down" and be good defensively is exactly why Babcock sucks as a coach.

Semantics zeke

Buckling down means overcoming your immaturity and adhering to the system even though you think you know more than the coach

perhaps you missed this part; It's like breaking a good thoroughbred, it's done in stages and it's sometimes seen as cruel to people who are casual observers, but when done right it often results in a champion.

While you may not like or approve of Babs methods, you are starting to see the fruit of the seeds he planted.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Use whatever word you like.

Perhaps we could try using one that is actually accurate.

 

[francis246]

None of this is true. They consistently played better defensively and overall for the rest of the season, posting the 8th best record and the 10th best defensive results, despite being decimated by injuries. They would have made the playoffs under any format, and weren't remotely close to a "lottery team".

i stand corrected on that, I do remember them being very close to losing that 8th seed and they were on a downward spiral prior to covid. They had the keefe bump for a little while but it wasn’t peaches and roses and a lot of analysts were concerned about their play heading back into the bubble

 

[Zybalto]

It seemed like the Leafs have had it rough for scheduling early in almost every way so I thought I'd look up have things are going forward, especially after the California trip this week.

http://powerrankingsguru.com/nhl/strength-of-schedule.php



It only gets worse for many of the bottom feeders and most of the better teams (including the Leafs) have the easier schedules going forward. Not saying this means all that much but it's fun seeing the Habs woeful record combined with the toughest schedule ahead.

 

[therealkoho]

Use whatever word you like. Scared is the term I've always heard and Nylander isn't the first guy to play scared in the league.

guys who are cautious when certain head-hunters are on the ice aren't scared, they're smart

there was nobody skating in an Islander uni last night that anybody needed to be "scared" of, or overly cautious about.

Nylanders play wasn't a product of fear it was a result of him floating around with his head in the clouds

 

[Zybalto]

i stand corrected on that, I do remember them being very close to losing that 8th seed and they were on a downward spiral prior to covid. They had the keefe bump for a little while but it wasn’t peaches and roses and a lot of analysts were concerned about their play heading back into the bubble

The downward spiral was actually the Islanders as they lost something like 11 of 13 games and were crashing out of the playoffs.

The Leafs were winning huge games with half a dcore including a game against Florida, the "biggest game of the year" and the beat Tampa twice the last month.

 

[ACC1224]

guys who are cautious when certain head-hunters are on the ice aren't scared, they're smart

there was nobody skating in an Islander uni last night that anybody needed to be "scared" of, or overly cautious about.

Nylanders play wasn't a product of fear it was a result of him floating around with his head in the clouds

Not the entire game, specific plays. It's fine if you don't see it. many do.

 

[LeafChief]

Nylander is a beast. Love that guy! He's looking fearless this season.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Well then! That's the thing about trying to get 20 men to play as a unit, sometimes you have to be an asshole and force them into paying attention to details for the good of the team. Break poor habits that they've developed over years of coaches not challenging them to change, because they don't want the prodigy getting peeved, so instead just let them do what they want.

It's weird that you're so offended that the players have had to buckle down in order to win in the world's toughest league. What wins in Junior doesn't win in the pros.

It's like breaking a good thoroughbred, it's done in stages and it's sometimes seen as cruel to people who are casual observers, but when done right it often results in a champion.

While you may not like or approve of Babs methods, you are starting to see the fruit of the seeds he planted. No reason to be bitter my friend he didn't do any damage to them nor you.

Who said I'm offended? It clear that Babcock couldn't get them to do it and Keefe could. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Perhaps we could try using one that is actually accurate.

bold to assume he cares about being accurate, and isn't just trying to dunk on a player that he hates for no reason

 

[zeke]

Semantics zeke

Buckling down means overcoming your immaturity and adhering to the system even though you think you know more than the coach

perhaps you missed this part; It's like breaking a good thoroughbred, it's done in stages and it's sometimes seen as cruel to people who are casual observers, but when done right it often results in a champion.

While you may not like or approve of Babs methods, you are starting to see the fruit of the seeds he planted.

It's not semantics. It's all the difference in the world.

Good coaching makes is easier for the players to be good by giving them a smart system where everyone knows what everyone is doing.

Bad coaches just yell at the players to play harder instead of giving them the system to succeed - which makes it even more discouraging for your players when the opposition teams DO have smart game plans which makes all your extra effort futile, and they laugh at your flailing as they easily shut you down and move the puck as a team.

 

[TGB]

Does not reflect the reality. ;p ;p ;p

 

[stickty111]

Perhaps we could try using one that is actually accurate.

Pretty much. You know me, I am a vocal Marner detractor, but I credit him when he plays well like he did yesterday. Perhaps I'm unfair to Marner sometimes, but that user won't credit Nylander though.

 

[Notsince67]

Pretty much. You know me, I am a vocal Marner detractor, but I credit him when he plays well like he did yesterday. Perhaps I'm unfair to Marner sometimes, but that user won't credit Nylander though.

I'm not defending anyone here but I think you are over reacting. The poster was clear that Nylander has lapses, which he does. I didnt read the comments to mean that he plays noticeably timid all the time.