Post-Game Talk: Lou unable to beat a team lead by Joe Woll. Leafs win 3-0.

[ACC1224]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close.

To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

That doesn't sound right. Ice was tilted considerably more than that.

 

[AvroArrow]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close.

To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

I think he might've watched the wrong game. 15 high danger chances for the Isles yesterday ? Advanced stats are just horrible imo, your eyes will always be the best way to evaluate a game or player.

 

[4thline]

I have no idea why any of my comments would brand me as a Bruins fan.

Boston is the team I dislike the most. Not even a player on that team I have liked since Johnny Bucyk.

The Bruins fan is a different but equally sad masquerade.

 

[francis246]

If he chooses he will coach again 100%.

100% I kind of think the Montreal Job will be set up for him if he wants it

 

[Notsince67]

20 shots 15 were HD chances for New York doesn’t sound right

Highly unlikely that 15 of 17 total shots are HD

 

[mikeyz]

Any update on Kase after that spill into the net? Is he okay?

 

[francis246]

It's just so blatant, and so immediate.

Expected goals against

16-17 (Babcock): #28
17-18 (Babcock): #22
18-19 (Babcock): #22
19-20 (Babcock): #26

19-20 (Keefe): #10
20-21 (Keefe): #7
21-22 (Keefe): #5

here we go he’s backkkk more useless stats for us guys without proper context. It’s not hard to use your brain, it’s true of anything in life. If you are unhappy with a situation or work environment productivity goes down, effort level goes down.

when you are happy and in an environment you like productivity goes up.

additionally YOU have to factor in the abysmal defense cores we had from 2016-2019, they were God awful so you go ahead with your bias arguments man and the fact that you have so many minions that just go along with your nonsense is just crazy to me

morgan Rielly said last week, and I quote, “the core has finally bought into playing team defense” which means prior to ill give you 2020 they really didn’t value it, that is on the players.

 

[ACC1224]

100% I kind of think the Montreal Job will be set up for him if he wants it

Believe he coached junior in Seattle. He could slide there as well.

 

[Apex Predator]

I think I uploaded it.

this site shows it was 16-15

here is the screen grab I’m not good at making this into chart form like others.

If I’m reading that wrong it does show 16-15.

 

[AllDay28]

Lol can this place just be happy for once? God damn.

also Dubas > Lou


Carry on

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Lol can this place just be happy for once? God damn.

also Dubas > Lou


Carry on

The answer to that question is an emphatic no. We could win the cup and the conversation here would be the cap implication the next morning.

 

[francis246]

Clearly you care, because you keep bringing it up. Don't make ridiculous claims if you don't want people to challenge them.

But yeah, keep living in your world where Babcock is an amazing coach that the players just randomly decided from day 1 to his last game to never play defense for, and then randomly did the exact opposite for Keefe. Nobody else is buying it

You constantly quote reply to me without reading any of my posts, so that’s on you. I said about 4/5 posts I don’t care for Babcock and I like Keefe. But I’m not a sheep, I don’t need to put one coach down to like another. There are things I liked about babcock, there are things I like about Keefe. I don’t need to be Team Keefe or Team Babcock,
I don’t need to be Team Lou or Team Dubas.
I’m a leafs fan

 

[mikeyz]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close.

To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

I have never bought into those advanced stats.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

how is Babcock better without the Leafs? He's coaching at the university of Saskatchewan and looks like he'll never coach in the NHL again. In any case, he doesn't deserve a free pass for the team being horrendous defensively for his entire time with the Leafs just because you want to speculate that the players chose not to play defense for him at any point and that there was nothing he could do about it

How is Babcock better without the leafs?

Well... He's still getting paid tens of millions of dollars and instead of the intense pressure in the Toronto spotlight coaching entitled spoiled millionaires, he's working with young students who are eager to improve. Seems to me he's living the dream.

 

[Auston Marlander]

here we go he’s backkkk more useless stats for us guys without proper context. It’s not hard to use your brain, it’s true of anything in life. If you are unhappy with a situation or work environment productivity goes down, effort level goes down.

when you are happy and in an environment you like productivity goes up.

additionally YOU have to factor in the abysmal defense cores we had from 2016-2019, they were God awful so you go ahead with your bias arguments man and the fact that you have so many minions that just go along with your nonsense is just crazy to me

morgan Rielly said last week, and I quote, “the core has finally bought into playing team defense” which means prior to ill give you 2020 they really didn’t value it, that is on the players.

It's the coaches job to get them the buy in...by coaching.

 

[Apex Predator]

Highly unlikely that 15 of 17 total shots are HD

I think it was chances and not shots.

 

[zeke]

here we go he’s backkkk more useless stats for us guys without proper context. It’s not hard to use your brain, it’s true of anything in life. If you are unhappy with a situation or work environment productivity goes down, effort level goes down.

when you are happy and in an environment you like productivity goes up.

additionally YOU have to factor in the abysmal defense cores we had from 2016-2019, they were God awful so you go ahead with your bias arguments man and the fact that you have so many minions that just go along with your nonsense is just crazy to me

morgan Rielly said last week, and I quote, “the core has finally bought into playing team defense” which means prior to ill give you 2020 they really didn’t value it, that is on the players.

You are mistakenly using the word "context" in place of the words "BS excuses".

 

[francis246]

It's the coaches job to get them the buy in...by coaching.

Morgan speaks about what i'm talking about, they just didn't have the mindset before and they finally are realizing how important it is. I know a lot of people are saying I'm making this shit up, but it's coming straight from the players. It is clear that they have matured (which is good), but clearly they just did not care for it before as much as they should have for whatever reason, whether it was to spite past coaches or they just didn't realize how important it was. But I'm glad to see it's changed.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

You constantly quote reply to me without reading any of my posts, so that’s on you. I said about 4/5 posts I don’t care for Babcock and I like Keefe. But I’m not a sheep, I don’t need to put one coach down to like another. There are things I liked about babcock, there are things I like about Keefe. I don’t need to be Team Keefe or Team Babcock,
I don’t need to be Team Lou or Team Dubas.
I’m a leafs fan

huh? Why are you trying to make it about picking sides? I don't care about any of that. I'm talking about your argument that it's unfair to judge Babcock for the team's terrible defensive results because the team decided to never buy in defensively and that there was nothing he could have done about it. Even if nobody on the team cared about defense (which is still wrong), that's exactly the sort of thing that a coach should be expected to change

 

[Matthews4Calder]

Tough look. 40 shots against this staunchy defensive juggernaut?

I think the Isles fans booed their own team more than they booed Tavares. Poverty franchise.

Everyone realize that the Islanders were missing some key players. Bailey, Bellows, Lee for forwards. Pulock, Pelech and Greene on D. Plus Nelson played just under 7 mins and then left the game. They are a better team than what they showed last night when healthy.

 

[francis246]

huh? Why are you trying to make it about picking sides? I don't care about any of that. I'm talking about your argument that it's unfair to judge Babcock for the team's terrible defensive results because the team decided to never buy in defensively and that there was nothing he could have done about it. Even if nobody on the team cared about defense (which is still wrong), that's exactly the sort of thing that a coach should be expected to change

I quoted someone else and posted Morgan Rielly's press conference speaking about their changed mindset. and you're so frustrating to discuss things with man. HE TRIED TO, him trying to change their mindset is what got him fired. The players didn't like the way he was delivering that message to them. There is nothing a coach can do once you get to that point where the players are tuning you out, you're out to lunch man.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Morgan speaks about what i'm talking about, they just didn't have the mindset before and they finally are realizing how important it is. I know a lot of people are saying I'm making this shit up, but it's coming straight from the players. It is clear that they have matured (which is good), but clearly they just did not care for it before as much as they should have for whatever reason, whether it was to spite past coaches or they just didn't realize how important it was. But I'm glad to see it's changed.

And who's job is it to change the players mindset? All coaches have the same plan, be defensively sound and score more goals. Good coaches are the ones who get players to buy in by changing mindset.

You're glossing over the coaches repsonilities and focusing on their hockey ideology. Anyone can have an ideology, but if you can't get players to implement it you aren't good at your job.

 

[Notsince67]

I think it was chances and not shots.

Ahh...so blocked shots and missed shots are included.

 

[francis246]

And who's job is it to change the players mindset? All coaches have the same plan, be defensively sound and score more goals. Good coaches are the ones who get players to buy in by changing mindset.

You're glossing over the coaches repsonilities and focusing on their hockey ideology. Anyone can have an ideology, but if you can't get players to implement it you aren't good at your job.

Normally i don’t say this, but this is a stupid post. You and I both know that isn’t true. Even the best coaches lose the room. It’s why most coaches get fired. Coaching never has been that black or white.

you can just accept that you were wrong. Even Morgan Rielly post game comments support what I’ve been saying. It’s okay to be critical of players sometimes.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Listening to the fan 590 this morning. JD brought up that high danger scoring chances were 16-15 in favor of the Leafs last night. Blake explained why they were so close. To me it brings into question some of the advanced stats that are getting posted on here.

High danger chances were somewhat close, but high danger shots weren't. Toronto's defense shut down most of their attempts, while most of Toronto's high danger chances were converted into shots. Toronto had 70% of the scoring chance shots and high danger shots in the game, and won quite convincingly in expected goals.