2024-2025 Blues Trade Proposals Thread.

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I haven't been impressed with Cozens either. We should aim higher for a #2C.

I think the key to the deal is Konsta Helenius. There is your 2C. I don’t know if you realize it or not but he’s only six months older than Hagens and is the same size, but about 10 pounds heavier. He just held this opposing center to one point in two games with two first round picks on his wings at juniors. From my viewing, he contained a potential first overall pick quite well. He’s almost a full year younger than Dvo playing in the same league.

Cozens I totally get the concern. With a change of scenery in coaching, can you unlock some of that enormous potential? he has speed to burn and size. I think you potentially get two guys that could fit into your top nine if not your top six.

Like I said, though, I would want Adam Kleber rather than the second round pick. If you want a 6 foot six right hand shot defenseman that can play defense, then he’s your guy. I watched him shut down Trevor Connolly twice in his draft year and he’s at a good program. He can marinate for two or three more years at the college level.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

What are you going to do with the influx of left-handed defenseman we already have? I keep seeing his name brought up, but we have a lot of guys under contract.

Easiest equation of all time, move Suter and move Leddy at the deadline. Prolly wont get a great return, but its an easy fix.

As far as team building, im always taking the highest ceiling guy and figuring out the rest. Byram would immediately slot in as LHD #1 and could run our PP, and Fowler transitions into Lindstein or whatever prospect is ready in 26/27.

Byram
Broberg
Fowler/Lindstein

Sure we still have Fischer and Ralph but until they are beating down the door for an NHL spot its a non-issue. We can always have a prospect spot, or hockey trade in the future to help solve RHD further. I just dont see any team currently moving a RHD of Byram's both age and caliber. Take the young elite talent when you can and figure out the rest along the way.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Easiest equation of all time, move Suter and move Leddy at the deadline. Prolly wont get a great return, but its an easy fix.

As far as team building, im always taking the highest ceiling guy and figuring out the rest. Byram would immediately slot in as LHD #1 and could run our PP, and Fowler transitions into Lindstein or whatever prospect is ready in 26/27.

Byram
Broberg
Fowler/Lindstein

Sure we still have Fischer and Ralph but until they are beating down the door for an NHL spot its a non-issue. We can always have a prospect spot, or hockey trade in the future to help solve RHD further. I just dont see any team currently moving a RHD of Byram's both age and caliber. Take the young elite talent when you can and figure out the rest along the way.

So Leddy waved his NTC? Krug isn’t coming back next year? Lots of questions that have to be answered in that spot

 

[LetsGoBooze]

So Leddy waved his NTC? Krug isn’t coming back next year? Lots of questions that have to be answered in that spot

Krug's situation is unique but you absolutely do not team build around him. Sure, you have to leave his cap space if he at all looks like he's going to return. But you absolutely do not turn down deals for a 23yo player who should be the best Dman on your team, outside of Parayko, because of a Krug. He already cost us Sanheim, do not give Krug so much power as to making decisions based on what-ifs. If he ends up returning and we have 4 nhl caliber LHD, so be it, play a vet on his offside until a move can be made. And as far as Leddy, if he was choosing between being a healthy scratch on an Inconsistent team or playing on a playoff team for the next two seasons i think he would make his decision quite easily. Light work for DA.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Krug's situation is unique but you absolutely do not team build around him. Sure, you have to leave his cap space if he at all looks like he's going to return. But you absolutely do not turn down deals for a 23yo player who should be the best Dman on your team, outside of Parayko, because of a Krug. He already cost us Sanheim, do not give Krug so much power as to making decisions based on what-ifs. If he ends up returning and we have 4 nhl caliber LHD, so be it, play a vet on his offside until a move can be made. And as far as Leddy, if he was choosing between being a healthy scratch on an Inconsistent team or playing on a playoff team for the next two seasons i think he would make his decision quite easily. Light work for DA.

In theory, I see your point in what you wish to accomplish. I’m just not sure with the ins and outs and behind the scenes how realistic it is to whitewash contracts.

 

[StlBigFly]

Maybe it’s just me.

And maybe it’s to send a message to the rest of the gms.

Unless Doug already gave a deadline for offers that hasn’t come yet. Like if we were just open for business waiting for folks to meet our ask.

I’d close shop. Nothing goes out. Not a single sell. The team has met the criteria imo that they went months without doing consistently; they’re manufacturing goals - it isn’t a bunch of rush chances and special teams - and defending - the top 9 seems viable every night, our defense absolutely stacked - nobody taking under 18 minutes. Might even go on tilt a little and jump the market taking a buy off the shelves. Not because I wanted to win a cup but just to crap on the buyers a bit - pull down supply even more. Fire our first into the sun for something nice.

If gms/owners wanna be buyers they need to be buyers. They can go to the market now with all our players off of it, pay higher prices because that’s what happens when supply is restricted, get no access to our group.

Maybe the next time you open the door to trades you’ll get somebody who isn’t going to kick the can or prioritize other deals, they’ll understand they can meet the price or get nothing, and if their process has a dozen board meetings with television executives involved forcing every decision to take a month they can just live with their tragic process.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I think the key to the deal is Konsta Helenius. There is your 2C. I don’t know if you realize it or not but he’s only six months older than Hagens and is the same size, but about 10 pounds heavier. He just held this opposing center to one point in two games with two first round picks on his wings at juniors. From my viewing, he contained a potential first overall pick quite well. He’s almost a full year younger than Dvo playing in the same league.

Cozens I totally get the concern. With a change of scenery in coaching, can you unlock some of that enormous potential? he has speed to burn and size. I think you potentially get two guys that could fit into your top nine if not your top six.

Like I said, though, I would want Adam Kleber rather than the second round pick. If you want a 6 foot six right hand shot defenseman that can play defense, then he’s your guy. I watched him shut down Trevor Connolly twice in his draft year and he’s at a good program. He can marinate for two or three more years at the college level.

I wasn't referencing Helenius (or that deal) at all. I don't want Cozens. I don't like the contract, the attitude, or the player really.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Maybe it’s just me.

And maybe it’s to send a message to the rest of the gms.

Unless Doug already gave a deadline for offers that hasn’t come yet. Like if we were just open for business waiting for folks to meet our ask.

I’d close shop. Nothing goes out. Not a single sell. The team has met the criteria imo that they went months without doing consistently; they’re manufacturing goals - it isn’t a bunch of rush chances and special teams - and defending - the top 9 seems viable every night, our defense absolutely stacked - nobody taking under 18 minutes. Might even go on tilt a little and jump the market taking a buy off the shelves. Not because I wanted to win a cup but just to crap on the buyers a bit - pull down supply even more. Fire our first into the sun for something nice.

If gms/owners wanna be buyers they need to be buyers. They can go to the market now with all our players off of it, pay higher prices because that’s what happens when supply is restricted, get no access to our group.

Maybe the next time you open the door to trades you’ll get somebody who isn’t going to kick the can or prioritize other deals, they’ll understand they can meet the price or get nothing, and if their process has a dozen board meetings with television executives involved forcing every decision to take a month they can just live with their tragic process.

I am curious how many practices and how much opportunity Montgomery had to do some real coaching around the 2 week break. Are we seeing the fruit of some adjustments they’d been struggling to install during the busy schedule?

I realize the players got protected time off, but the coaches had some freedom they didn’t have time for normally.

 

[Itsnotatrap]

Obviously the return matters and is implicit in anything we discuss. My break even point for pulling the move is lower than most people, in favor of selling off, and I think Army will do it.

He’s pretty cutthroat. He moved Stastny and Shattenkirk in similar situations, and Army had more personally on the line when he pulled those moves then. He can be the face of a divided move, take any blowback, and put Steen in a better position when he walks in, and he inherits a good cop role on top of it.

It’s also coherent with the direction and risk they took with offer sheets, and he has a bunch of players that carry aging risks that seem to have value they haven’t had in quite a while (assumption, of course, going back to that opening sentence above).

Also, the Blues communicate effectively with their fans and I think have credibility to weather the PR blowback, in contrast to Mozeliak down the road and Dewitt…at this stage in that franchise.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Maybe it’s just me.

And maybe it’s to send a message to the rest of the gms.

Unless Doug already gave a deadline for offers that hasn’t come yet. Like if we were just open for business waiting for folks to meet our ask.

I’d close shop. Nothing goes out. Not a single sell. The team has met the criteria imo that they went months without doing consistently; they’re manufacturing goals - it isn’t a bunch of rush chances and special teams - and defending - the top 9 seems viable every night, our defense absolutely stacked - nobody taking under 18 minutes. Might even go on tilt a little and jump the market taking a buy off the shelves. Not because I wanted to win a cup but just to crap on the buyers a bit - pull down supply even more. Fire our first into the sun for something nice.

The Blues are negotiating from a position of power. They have some of the better players that are available but they're also in a position where they don't need to move anybody. Most of the players on this team can have a productive place on this team over the next season or two while we integrate some younger talent and we have the cap space and the flexibility to add big contracts in the offseason.

If you want to add a potential impact player from the Blues, you better come with an offer that's impactful for us as well, but if I'm Army, I give this team another couple games because this is the best hockey we've seen in 2.5 seasons. They are smothering teams right now.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I do think Army still looks to make moves, but they are still hockey moves, not your typical deadline sells. I saw a clip yesterday from a Canadian talk show and someone was saying how they've way underrated Parayko, and said if Jets traded for him, it would be 1st+Perfetti+another really good piece. Now that specific deal might not do much for us, but the point is, the value of some of our guys are through the roof right now. It would be negligent of Army to not at least find out what the offers would be, and if it's enough, pull the trigger if it benefits the future core.

Let's say Jets come in and offer 1st+Perfetti+Salomonsson. I'm arguably the biggest Parayko guy here, and I'm absolutely considering that deal. I'm perfectly fine if we keep him and hope that he ages like fine wine, I mean he's having one of his best seasons, maybe his best, at age 31, maybe he is a guy that plays very high end hockey through his mid 30s. But, when someone's value is at their peak, and there is some amount of uncertainty of what they will be when we are competing again, you have to consider the value.

Would it tank our chances this season? Absolutely, but it's about maxmizing our chances 2-3 seasons from now.