Salary Cap: Losing RFA's due to cap space

[Deebo]

Trust me, my hopes aren't up for anything. I fully expect Phanuef will still be here on a long term deal, I just won't like it. Signing a player to a reasonable cap hit and term isn't "ridiculous". Pay a guy what you think he's worth to your team in the long run. If you can't agree, move him or move on. Can't be a cheerleader when you're making the big decisions.

Thinking Phanuef is only worth 5 is ridiculous, period.

 

[Mess]

We would need to save a couple mil after signing our guys and move Liles. Not that I see Nonis wanting to give up compensation picks for other peoples RFA's.

Other teams know Toronto is in a tough\tight cap spot with their own RFAs and I bet there are teams sitting around waiting to see if anything shakes lose for their benefit..

Teams also know that Nonis would love desperately to dump Liles to make more cap space for others.. They certainly are not lining up to solve his problem or allow him the freedom to go poaching other teams RFA players by taking Liles off the Leafs hands..

Perhaps Nonis needs to do the Lombardi/Franson deal in reverse where he needs to include a Leaf prospect along with Liles in order for another team to see value in eating his salary for the Leafs. Just like how Leafs eat $7 mil of Lombardi's contract to get Franson originally. Now he might have to sacrifice a Blacker\Percy etc with Liles to free up cap space to re-sign RFA Franson.

 

[shakes]

If we lose one of Gunnarsson, Franson or Kadri. This front office needs to be fired, PERIOD.

That's inexcusable. Those were the 3 biggest priorities for this offseason.

You think the Leafs should have just given them whatever they wanted? What if they were all asking for $4 million a year or any other number that was grossly overpaying? We don't live in a vacuum you know, there may be other reasons why the Leafs might lose them other than incompetence.

As to offer sheets, are they the top RFAs out there? Are teams beating down their doors to offer sheet them? Remember when Stamkos was a RFA? How many offer sheets did he get? Could it happen? Sure. Is it likely? No.
So we are left with trading or leaving because they make too much. That, unfortunately, is just prudent. Now if they were asking for $1 million each and the Leafs couldn't sign them, then fine, yell and scream all you want, but I don't think that is the case.

 

[The Hockey Life]

Now I understand why our fan base is so ridiculed.. If their is even a thought in your mind about keeping Clarkson over JvR, especially at JvR's sweet contract then something is wrong. JvR >>>> Clarkson AINEC.

 

[egd27]

It was Subban's 2nd contract. 3rd contract for Gunnarson and 4th for Franson I believe. There's a difference. No one predicted Subban would win the Norris. In fact, 3/4 of this board would not have wanted him on their team.

Why is there a difference whether it's the 2nd, 3rd or 4th contract?

Franson goes from 700K to 800K to 1.2M to.........4M? Based on what exactly?

Gunnar goes from 800K to 1.3M to .....3M? Again based on what?

Doesn't matter if it was predicted or not and it certainly doesn't matter if 3/4 board don't want Subban on the team, the fact is he did win the Norris.

Nonis just keeps pointing to contracts like Subban's and MDZ's and hopes that the arbitrator isn't an irrational Leaf fan that thinks these guys deserve more because they play in Toronto.

 

[Ari91]

Our RFa's filed for arbritration, they cannot get offer sheets. That is why Nonis went down this root. He has time with our RFA's, that is why Bernier was the 1st rfa signed, he was open to offer sheets.
I believe Kadri will get a bridge contract, Franson is the wild card. he wasn't happy here under RW, he did do alot better under RC. I could see a trade chip here, for his rights. Since a sign and trade cannot happen after arbritration I believe.

I think 10mil will get them signed. To free up some cap space, Liles going, I hope there is a market for him. Offensive dman,who turns the puck over alot for 3.8 over 4?? Leaf land might want to get used to throwing in a pick to move him.
As far as future cap space, the cap is only going to go up. Light estimates over 70+ next season, be pushing 80 in no time ,well before this cba expires.

I don't believe they actually filed for arbitration. I think it's rumoured that they will.

 

[achtungbaby]

Thinking Phanuef is only worth 5 is ridiculous, period.

It's a matter of opinion. If I posted "Thinking Phaneuf is worth more than 5 is ridiculous, period" we'd find ourselves arguing like a couple of 5 year olds. To each their own.

 

[Mess]

Now I understand why our fan base is so ridiculed.. If their is even a thought in your mind about keeping Clarkson over JvR, especially at JvR's sweet contract then something is wrong. JvR >>>> Clarkson AINEC.

Do you honestly believe Nonis is shopping Clarkson (days after signing him) to improve the Leafs at center or defense?

 

[ITM]

If there's a compromise to be made between Kadri, Franson and Gunnarson -- and that's a big if -- you move the least specialized of the group.

 

[shakes]

Other teams know Toronto is in a tough\tight cap spot with their own RFAs and I bet there are teams sitting around waiting to see if anything shakes lose for their benefit..

Teams also know that Nonis would love desperately to dump Liles to make more cap space for others.. They certainly are not lining up to solve his problem or allow him the freedom to go poaching other teams RFA players by taking Liles off the Leafs hands..

Perhaps Nonis needs to do the Lombardi/Franson deal in reverse where he needs to include a Leaf prospect along with Liles in order for another team to see value in eating his salary for the Leafs. Just like how Leafs eat $7 mil of Lombardi's contract to get Franson originally. Now he might have to sacrifice a Blacker\Percy etc with Liles to free up cap space to re-sign RFA Franson.

The Leafs, as it stands, have just over $2 million on average to sign each player left. They are not in dire straits like a lot of you are suggesting. I'm all for doom and gloom but the attitude around here is ridiculous.

 

[The Hockey Life]

Do you honestly believe Nonis is shopping Clarkson (days after signing him) to improve the Leafs at center or defense?

I don't care. Shipping out our best PWF who is on the rise and is consistent is not the answer. JvR has at least 10+ years left in him, we dont even know if Clarkson has 5. Shipping out JvR would be a dumb move IMO, and Nonis would pay for it.

 

[ACC1224]

Now I understand why our fan base is so ridiculed.. If their is even a thought in your mind about keeping Clarkson over JvR, especially at JvR's sweet contract then something is wrong. JvR >>>> Clarkson AINEC.

You don't seem to understand much at all if you'd think Clarkson would be traded days after being signed.

Do you not think that Nonis has taken all of this into consideration before signing Clarkson?

 

[sangreale]

I am praying that Nonis has a deal in place for Liles. Not to mention a plan in place for 2 years down the road.

 

[Mess]

The Leafs, as it stands, have just over $2 million on average to sign each player left. They are not in dire straits like a lot of you are suggesting. I'm all for doom and gloom but the attitude around here is ridiculous.

Do you think anyone of Kadri, Gunnarsson or Franson next contracts will be at or below the available average?

A betting man would suggest all 3 are asking for and will receive more than that. Chances are actually pretty good that the 3 key RFA combined consume the entire $10 mil present available cap space.

 

[The Hockey Life]

You don't seem to understand much at all if you'd think Clarkson would be traded days after being signed.

Do you not think that Nonis has taken all of this into consideration before signing Clarkson?

Yes, that is exactly what I said isn't it?

No. I said people here are willing to part with JvR and keep Clarkson, and that would be a dumb move. I thought I made myself pretty clear...

 

[diceman934]

would love to see what this idiotic management does regarding the cap management moving forward (who's in charge of keeping track of the cap space again?)

Not you!

Nonis has made every moved he needed to thus far....including trading/buying out/releasing LACK....as well as Komi and Grabo. He inherited those contracts and thus far has made all the right decisions on on players. Kadri would not have played last year without us freeing up roster space.

He has proven thus far to be able to manage the cap space in a very professional manner. He never went out and spent the cap space last year as it was not required...this year he traded for a quantity goalie and signed him to a bridge contract at a reasonable cap hit. He resigned Bozak at below his market value. He traded for Bolland who has a reasonable cap hit and signed the top free agent available at a price less then what others offered him.

I hope he continues to mismanaged our cap like he has in the future. We have and additional 2.5 coming of the cap at seasons end along with it going up...this will allow him to resign or make hockey decisions on our free agents for the following season. We will move Liles this year as well....even if we take back a small portion of his cap hit giving us more cap space. We are fine moving forward for the next few years.

 

[Mess]

I don't care. Shipping out our best PWF who is on the rise and is consistent is not the answer. JvR has at least 10+ years left in him, we dont even know if Clarkson has 5. Shipping out JvR would be a dumb move IMO, and Nonis would pay for it.

You should care, because Clarkson isn't going anywhere because he was just signed days ago. Therefore is a part of Nonis team build plan going forward.

So its not an either\or scenario between Clarkson or JVR as to who is going in trade.

Its either trade JVR or trade neither as available scenarios for Nonis to decide upon.. Your personal preference is a NOT a valid option.

 

[Patty Lee]

It was Subban's 2nd contract. 3rd contract for Gunnarson and 4th for Franson I believe. There's a difference. No one predicted Subban would win the Norris. In fact, 3/4 of this board would not have wanted him on their team.

I still wouldn't.

 

[Patty Lee]

Comparing Dion to Grabovski

um, you may want to wipe that egg off your face and try again

 

[diceman934]

Other teams know Toronto is in a tough\tight cap spot with their own RFAs and I bet there are teams sitting around waiting to see if anything shakes lose for their benefit..

Teams also know that Nonis would love desperately to dump Liles to make more cap space for others.. They certainly are not lining up to solve his problem or allow him the freedom to go poaching other teams RFA players by taking Liles off the Leafs hands..

Perhaps Nonis needs to do the Lombardi/Franson deal in reverse where he needs to include a Leaf prospect along with Liles in order for another team to see value in eating his salary for the Leafs. Just like how Leafs eat $7 mil of Lombardi's contract to get Franson originally. Now he might have to sacrifice a Blacker\Percy etc with Liles to free up cap space to re-sign RFA Franson.

Mess we are not in a tough spot at all....We can sign them all for the available cap space. Gunnar gets 15 million over 5 years. Franson signs for the same contract. Then we sign Kadri for 2.75 million per for 2 years and have him prove his true valve. These are just approx values.....I could see Gunnar getting moved within this season...signing him to a friendly cap hit makes him more valuable.

I just do not see an issue.....I say we can trade Liles by taking back a small portion of his cap hit for this year and possibly the next year.....something like 1.6 total over the next 2 or even 4 years. Making his cap hit more friendly.

 

[diceman934]

I still wouldn't.

Why the hell not?

If you are going to say it is how he acts....then we need to look no further then Dion and how he acted under Carlyle...what a difference.

 

[Deebo]

It's a matter of opinion. If I posted "Thinking Phaneuf is worth more than 5 is ridiculous, period" we'd find ourselves arguing like a couple of 5 year olds. To each their own.

Valuing Dion at 5M shows a complete lack of understanding of the NHL marketplace.

 

[DoubleDouble*]

I am praying that Nonis has a deal in place for Liles. Not to mention a plan in place for 2 years down the road.

2 years down the road, the cap could be 10-13 million dollars higher. That changes everything.

 

[The CyNick]

Kadri, Gunnarson, and Franson are very interesting to me. I was thinking 10 mil would be enough to get all three done. but the more I look at similar guys, the more I think we won't have the casio space to keep all three. unless another move (Liles) is made.

Franson was 8th in Dman scoring. voyonov had similar numbers and played more minutes. he got for million plus.

Kadri IMO should get less than three because its his first year of nhl production. but who knows? I could see four plus for him too.

 

[ACC1224]

I still wouldn't.

Me either.