Salary Cap: Losing RFA's due to cap space

[TorMapleJays]

Why would we trade JVR?He's just turned 24 , hardly a guy you want to trade to get "younger". We shouldn't try to trade proven guys, we should however should try to upgrade areas we NEED upgrading such as getting rid of Bozak eventually.

Kessel is signed long term :
next day Bozak is traded

 

[tans66]

There will be no compensation for our RFA`s because they cannot get offer sheets. They filed for arbritration did they not, If I am wrong I stand corrected.

 

[Mess]

People here suggesting keeping Clarkson over JvR

Nonis just recruited Clarkson a few days ago, and he inherited JVR with the job..

He is not trying to trade Clarkson, but he might trade JVR in the right deal that he feels improves his team.

So keeping Clarkson over JVR becomes an automatic in the present as a result of the situation. Has there ever been a situation in history where a newly signed UFA has been dealt away shortly thereafter?

 

[Deebo]

This year will be a crunch, next year will be fine.

 

[Diatomic]

Nonis just recruited Clarkson a few days ago, and he inherited JVR with the job..

He is not trying to trade Clarkson, but he might trade JVR in the right deal that he feels improves his team.

So keeping Clarkson over JVR becomes an automatic in the present as a result of the situation.

And who Replaces JVR? D'amigo? Colborne? Ashton? Maybe Frattin but he's gone. We dont have enough depth to replace a young top 6 forward like JVR.

 

[Deebo]

Edit: all wrong

 

[Kurisu]

it's laughable that we're not even a cup contender or guaranteed playoff team and we're going to be close to cap maxed. If we were a cup contender, I would understand that we would be close the cap and might have to lose some guys, but not when a we're a fringe playoff team at best.

 

[Mess]

There will be no compensation for our RFA`s because they cannot get offer sheets. They filed for arbritration did they not, If I am wrong I stand corrected.

You're right in that players that file for arbitration can't not also sign offer sheets.. Its an either or process for a player to decide on how to best get his next contract.

However is it official that all 3 Leafs dmen have filed for arbitration or is that still just rumour that they might?

Kadri is not eligible for arbitration this time around, and as a RFA he would remain open to an offer sheet situation.

 

[gabeliscious]

Moving Liles adds another $3,875,000 to the cap ($13,875,000) :

Kadri 3
Gunnar 3
Franson 3
Colborne 1
Fraser 1

Cap space remaining: $2,875,000

even without moving liles, we could afford to give kadri, franson, and gunnarson $3 million and fraser $1 million. these guys would need to make a strong case as to why they should get more which i dont think they can.

im not too concerned with colborne as i think he would be best served learning on the marlies. he is more effective at center so it doesnt make sense to play him out of position, especially when one of ashton/damigo are almost certainly ready and could do as well or better then colborne at wing on the 3rd line.

outside of kadri i dont think anyone is that emotionally attached to franson, gunnarson, etc. if someone wanted to offer sheet them over $3.37 then id gladly take the 1st and 3rd for either of them.

 

[TieClark]

it's laughable that we're not even a cup contender or guaranteed playoff team and we're going to be close to cap maxed. If we were a cup contender, I would understand that we would be close the cap and might have to lose some guys, but not when a we're a fringe playoff team at best.

Fringe at best? No playoffs would be a huge under-achievement for this team. Also have a look at cap geek... nearly every team is in cap trouble.... that's what happens when the cap drops by like 10 mil in a single season

http://capgeek.com/

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

People here suggesting keeping Clarkson over JvR

Glad to see I'm not the only one noticing that. While yes, he'd return more to fill another need, I still think I'd puke if it was because of contract and we chose Clarkson over JVR.

 

[Anth93]

If we lose one of Gunnarsson, Franson or Kadri. This front office needs to be fired, PERIOD.

That's inexcusable. Those were the 3 biggest priorities for this offseason.

 

[Mess]

it's laughable that we're not even a cup contender or guaranteed playoff team and we're going to be close to cap maxed. If we were a cup contender, I would understand that we would be close the cap and might have to lose some guys, but not when a we're a fringe playoff team at best.

Poor team building plan and cap management.

Tooooooo much money and cap invested in wingers that is only going to get worse with Kessel's new raise pending.

Something has to give, because other positions of need can't be addressed while ~ 1/3 of your teams salary cap (+$22 mil of 65 cap) is allocated to Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR, your top 4 wingers.

 

[Diatomic]

If we lose one of Gunnarsson, Franson or Kadri. This front office needs to be fired, PERIOD.

That's inexcusable. Those were the 3 biggest priorities for this offseason.

+1 buddy.

 

[613Leafer]

If we lose one of Gunnarsson, Franson or Kadri. This front office needs to be fired, PERIOD.

That's inexcusable. Those were the 3 biggest priorities for this offseason.

Depends on the return. It's a little silly to make blanket statements that if any of the above get moved, PERIOD, that it's inexcusable.

Every player has a price. Seguin just got traded for a really solid package. We traded L. Schenn, somebody a lot of people referred to as "untouchable", and the vast majority of Leaf fans seem happy with that move. Etc.

There are no untouchables. Especially when you're the Gunnarson/Franson/Kadri's of the world, instead of the Crosby/Toews/Webers.

 

[Kurisu]

Fringe at best? No playoffs would be a huge under-achievement for this team. Also have a look at cap geek... nearly every team is in cap trouble.... that's what happens when the cap drops by like 10 mil in a single season

http://capgeek.com/

Yes we are a fringe playoff team. You can't guarantee me that we're going to be making the playoffs next season. The issue lies that we're going to be close the cap limit this season and we have a whole lot of UFAs next season as well. This is all on Nonis with accumulating so many redundant pieces. And we still have holes on the roster that were never filled. Fine, I didn't like the Clarkson contract (like the player, not the term/cap hit), but why did they have to sign Bozak? What position does he fill? Now you have two guys in the top 6 who are better suited for the 3rd line than true top 6. You can have one of them up there, not both. What do you do with Bolland now?

 

[daner]

it's laughable that we're not even a cup contender or guaranteed playoff team and we're going to be close to cap maxed. If we were a cup contender, I would understand that we would be close the cap and might have to lose some guys, but not when a we're a fringe playoff team at best.

Finge playoff team might be a thing of the past....Leafs finished 9th overall last year (of 30 teams) and had the 4th best record in the East. Not sure if they need to finish top three to considered decent in your books or what?

 

[613Leafer]

Poor team building plan and cap management.

Tooooooo much money and cap invested in wingers that is only going to get worse with Kessel's new raise pending.

Something has to give, because other positions of need can't be addressed while ~ 1/3 of your teams salary cap (+$22 mil of 65 cap) is allocated to Kessel, Lupul, Clarkson and JVR, your top 4 wingers.

Yep.

Chicago has been willing to trade away Campbell, Versteeg, Byfgulien, Ladd, etc. And now Bolland. And still won the Cup a second time.

They've identified their core core guys. Not their strong supporting cast members, but their absolute foundational pieces, signed those guys long term, and been willing to get solid value for everyone else via trade.

Our lack of foresight has lead to us having a net negative # of picks compared to what the NHL gives you by default in the draft over the past five years (34 picks in 5 years, 35 is the default), still missing a core piece or two, and not coming out of it with great cap-space going forward either.

 

[Mess]

And who Replaces JVR? D'amigo? Colborne? Ashton? Maybe Frattin but he's gone. We dont have enough depth to replace a young top 6 forward like JVR.

We don't have prospect depth to solve our need for a top 6 center either internally.

So moving JVR and replacing him with a top 6 center in trade doesn't set the team back any differently, just moves to address the "strength down the middle" team building concept.

A prospect pool short of top 6 forwards (wingers or centers) forces a GM hands to deal roster players to fill other roster holes.

 

[New Liskeard]

The point being and Nonis eluded to this earlier, the issue may likely be when an arbiter agrees to the demands of the RFA's, teams may have no choice but to let the player walk.

 

[egd27]

If we lose one of Gunnarsson, Franson or Kadri. This front office needs to be fired, PERIOD.

That's inexcusable. Those were the 3 biggest priorities for this offseason.

We're not going to lose anybody without getting a return. It might not be as much as we would like, but there will be a return.

 

[sommervr]

I think Gunnarsson will almost certainly get over 2.

Gunnerson will get ~ 3.2 - 3.5 in arbitration and the leafs will have (no choice under the new CBA) to pay it.

Franson should get 3.8 - 4.0 in arbitration.

 

[Deebo]

The point being and Nonis eluded to this earlier, the issue may likely be when an arbiter agrees to the demands of the RFA's, teams may have no choice but to let the player walk.

That's how the Leafs signed MacArthur for the first time.

 

[Diatomic]

We don't have prospect depth to solve our need for a top 6 center either internally.

So moving JVR and replacing him with a top 6 center in trade doesn't set the team back any differently, just moves to address the "strength down the middle" team building concept.

A prospect pool short of top 6 forwards (wingers or centers) forces a GM hands to deal roster players to fill other roster holes.

I see where your going but were already dedicated to Kadri as a top 6 C and Bozak for 5 more years as a top 6 C (eh). We could wait for Colborne to emerge as a top 6 C (hopefully??) or Gauthier to emerge as a defensive top 6 C (hopefully, again??).

I know that we dont have a bonifide star Center and cup winning teams usually have studs on center but we could win with strength on the wings, it isn't impossible, unlikely sure. But I think we should stay on route, ship out Bozak in the future and have Kadri/Gauthier or Kadri/Colborne or even Kadri/Unknown as our future #1,2 centeres not the greatest center's in the world yes but it could work out.

 

[Jacob8hockey*]

Sadly, if any of our RFA's get offer sheeted we may have to let them go, especially if someone offer sheeted Kadri like 5-7 million. It is almost more valuable to us to keep Franson and Gunnarsson, with the compensation and cap space, over Kadri and 1 or the other. Our defence is our weakest link atm.