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jackjohnson said:
You seem jealous bro...puck luck lol..EP40 has been getting better and developing both offensively and defensively but keep coping
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Yeah, you got me. I'm jealous of Petterson and the 26th place Canucks.

All those numbers I posted have nothing to do with my opinion.
 
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Bank Shot said:
Yeah, you got me. I'm jealous of Petterson and the 26th place Canucks.

All those numbers I posted have nothing to do with my opinion.
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You seem to like trolling Canucks fans. Can't wait to see the Oilers out in the 1st round lol
 
jackjohnson said:
You seem to like trolling Canucks fans. Can't wait to see the Oilers out in the 1st round lol
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Bank Shot said:
Pettersson who never finished top ten in center scoring before this season is somehow top five?

You guys do realize he is riding a huge puck luck wave this year, right?

Just like Gaudreau last season. Where is Gaudreau now? That's right.
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Elias Pettersson's 5v5 individual shooting percentage is currently aligned with the rest of his career
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Now, it is fair to say that Pettersson may experience slight 5v5 points regression due to oish%. However, he also has had very low luck on the power play which could also counter the 5v5 points regression when his PP pts regress back to the mean. So all in all, I am not convinced about this "huge regression" you are talking about.
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Bank Shot said:
51% corsi
51% shot share
50% scoring chance share
49% high-danger corsi share

Not what I would call "Tilting the ice", but maybe you watch hockey differently than me.

Expected goals for at 5v5- 41
Actual goals for at 5v5- 55

Something wonky going on there.
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You are looking at raw on-ice metrics to be fair. When looking at any analytics that attempts to isolate one's on-ice impact from his teammates. Pettersson fairs a lot better and rapm numbers from both EvolvingHockey and Jfresh indicate that Pettersson does indeed tilts the ice.
 
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Bank Shot said:
Don't blame me. Blame the statistics. The underlying numbers are trolling Canucks fans.
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Lmao some random stats you pick out thinking you know what he will become. Maybe you should just keep watching the Oilers since you don't even know how Petersson is playing. I am happy we have him on the Canucks, we don't need you to tell us how bad he is or how it's a fluke season. You aren't an expert, you are just a random HFboard poster who thinks his opinions are worth something lol

LuckyBoeser said:
Elias Pettersson's 5v5 individual shooting percentage is currently aligned with the rest of his career
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Now, it is fair to say that Pettersson may experience slight 5v5 points regression due to oish%. However, he also has had very low luck on the power play which could also counter the 5v5 points regression when his PP pts regress back to the mean. So all in all, I am not convinced about this "huge regression" you are talking about.
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You are looking at raw on-ice metrics to be fair. When looking at any analytics that attempts to isolate one's on-ice impact from his teammates. Pettersson fairs a lot better and rapm numbers from both EvolvingHockey and Jfresh indicate that Pettersson does indeed tilts the ice.
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I wouldn't worry about this Oiler troll trying to bring Pettersson down. Probably same person that hypes up RNH like he is McDavid 2.0 😅
 
1) Howie Morenz
2) Frank Neighbor
3) Red Kelly
4) Syl Apps
5) Frank Boucher
6) Milt Schmidt
7) Max Bentley
8) Elmer Lach
9) Nels Stewart
10) Sid Abel
 
snag said:
Yet in your different take, you list Crosby as 3rd yet in FOW% he is 45th at 53.3% (when filtering guys having more than 50 faceoffs and 25 games). He also ranks #1 in FOL. Of course more opportunity will garner more wins...so I included Crosby's losses to illustrate this too in the inverse.

McDavid sits at 52.0% FOW% which is decently average (as you said)....but it would appear your "different take" does skew things. McDavid has taken 593 fewer faceoffs than Crosby or 600 on the nose fewer than #1 Bergeron....so it would be crazy if he was anywhere near the top of your list :)
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hey Im not doing any of that fancy crap I just clicked and sorted by faceoff wins. it's not that big of a deal. would u rather I do another boring list like everyone has shuffling the same players in a different order.
when I look at FOT (faceoffs taken)
Crosby FOT: 1.10
McDavid FOT 0.54
 
snag said:
Yet in your different take, you list Crosby as 3rd yet in FOW% he is 45th at 53.3% (when filtering guys having more than 50 faceoffs and 25 games). He also ranks #1 in FOL. Of course more opportunity will garner more wins...so I included Crosby's losses to illustrate this too in the inverse.

McDavid sits at 52.0% FOW% which is decently average (as you said)....but it would appear your "different take" does skew things. McDavid has taken 593 fewer faceoffs than Crosby or 600 on the nose fewer than #1 Bergeron....so it would be crazy if he was anywhere near the top of your list :)
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So by your logic Bergeron is #1
 
Bank Shot said:
No.

12.79% 5v5 on-ice shooting percentage is not sustainable.

Regression incoming next season.
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Petterson has a 14.6% total shooting percentage, his career average to date.

He also has a 57% corsi, not 51. McDavid has 59.

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Bank Shot said:
51% corsi
51% shot share
50% scoring chance share
49% high-danger corsi share

Not what I would call "Tilting the ice", but maybe you watch hockey differently than me.

Expected goals for at 5v5- 41
Actual goals for at 5v5- 55

Something wonky going on there.
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You chose out of context stats to support your claim that Petterson doesn’t tilt the ice yet his corsi is 57%.

Expected goals does not show whether a player tilts the ice. In fact, other than xgf, there really isn’t a stat that can accurate confirm whether a player tilts the ice, so I’d argue it’s meaningless in the first place.
 
SelltheTeamFrancesco said:
I love how Thompson is being put into the top 10. When the dude is allergic to playing defense and his main value comes from scoring and he is shooting almost 20%.
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Tage Thompson is the most productive 5on5 player in the league and the most productive PP player outside of Edmonton. Yes, he sucks at defense and hopefully improves on that end, but it's not like being bad at defense has ever mattered for the perception of elite offensive players.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
its crazy that McDavid is as good as he is but is ranked 52nd in faceoff wins. I guess every monster has a skill they are just normal at
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Reminds me of that time Gretzky passed the puck to the opposing player that was about to check him, took the puck back, and scored a goal.
 
1. Mcdavid
2. Draisaitl
3. Mckinnon
4. Matthews
5. Crosby
6. Thompson
7. Petterson
8. Barkov
9. Point
10. Bergeron
 
Bank Shot said:
No.

12.79% 5v5 on-ice shooting percentage is not sustainable.

Regression incoming next season.
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He’s got only 2 PP goals. Wait until he starts scoring again on the PP which inflates the goal totals of most of those above him on the list. Horvat was the trigger man but he’s gone and I expect EP’s power play goals to rise from 2. Some of that is also just due to bad luck which tends to even out over time.

He’s also better defensively than most of the others in the top 10 with Bergeron the huge exception. I mean I know points is the general measuring stick but it’s not the only one.
Finally he makes his linemates much better. Kuzmenko just hit 30 goals in his first NHL season and Beaulivier was not doing much on the NYI but has been on fire since the trade, out producing Horvat.
There’s strong arguments to put him in the top 5. I also won’t argue with those who have him just outside that group.
There are some great centers. But to suggest he’s having a fluky season based on one out of context stat is disingenuous at best.
 
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