List your top 10 Cs

[Arthur Morgan]

Hertl… as a Sharks fan you are very much mistaken lol

what do u mean mistaken about what? lol

 

[Phrasing]

what do u mean mistaken about what? lol

His faceoff ability is off the charts. No list can contain him.

 

[Bank Shot]

Petterson has a 14.6% total shooting percentage, his career average to date.

He also has a 57% corsi, not 51. McDavid has 59.

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You chose out of context stats to support your claim that Petterson doesn’t tilt the ice yet his corsi is 57%.

Expected goals does not show whether a player tilts the ice. In fact, other than xgf, there really isn’t a stat that can accurate confirm whether a player tilts the ice, so I’d argue it’s meaningless in the first place.

You're wrong. Petterson's corsi is 50.84%.

His total shooting percentage means jack. On-ice shooting percentage is a huge booster of outlier seasons. Just go back and look at guys with 12+% on ice shooting % from years past and see what they did the season after when the luck regressed. They almost always fall off.

 

[canuckking1]

You're wrong. Petterson's corsi is 50.84%.

His total shooting percentage means jack. On-ice shooting percentage is a huge booster of outlier seasons. Just go back and look at guys with 12+% on ice shooting % from years past and see what they did the season after when the luck regressed. They almost always fall off.

Did you miss my point about the powerplay? Where he’s shooting a measly 4%? His power play numbers are down which will likely make up for regression at 5v5.

 

[Bank Shot]

Did you miss my point about the powerplay? Where he’s shooting a measly 4%? His power play numbers are down which will likely make up for regression at 5v5.

Only his individual shooting percentage on the PP....

His on-ice shooting % on the PP is fine, and his career high in powerplay assists is 17. He currently has 15 with 20 games to go. Elias is on pace for 23 PP points which is only 4 points behind his career high thus far..........

He's currently 3rd in the NHL in on-ice shooting % on the PK.

He's currently 4th in the NHL in on-ice shooting % at 5 on 5. He's already 6 points up on his career season at 5 on 5 with 20 games left. That offsets the 8 goals he's behind on his career high in PP goals and then some.

Petterson's Individual Points Percentage at 5on5 is currently 83.64%.

It was only near that high in his rookie season when it was 82.98%. That year he was getting hyped as a future Art Ross/Hart winner etc. Well that didn't happen when the next 3 seasons he dropped into 60s on his IPP.

To put that IPP number of 83.64% in perspective....McDavid has bested that number twice in his career, Crosby twice in full seasons(He did it a few more in half seasons), Ovechkin twice, Mackinnon once, Kucherov once.

83+% participation rate on 5on5 points is something that the greatest players of this generation rarely pull off. Are Canucks fans predicting its the new norm for Petterson?


Canucks fans are accusing me of cherry picking stats when it's the other way around. You are pointing at PP goals as the example of bad luck when he's getting outstanding puck luck in every other area of the game.

I'm fine with revisiting this thread next season and comparing him to some of the centers he is somehow ranked above on some of these lists. Petterson will be hard pressed to repeat this season from a conversion standpoint.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Did you miss my point about the powerplay? Where he’s shooting a measly 4%? His power play numbers are down which will likely make up for regression at 5v5.

Just stop feeding him. He’s using a single stat to push an agenda.
It’s a top ten center thread that’s being derailed.

 

[canuckking1]

Only his individual shooting percentage on the PP....

His on-ice shooting % on the PP is fine, and his career high in powerplay assists is 17. He currently has 15 with 20 games to go. Elias is on pace for 23 PP points which is only 4 points behind his career high thus far..........

He's currently 3rd in the NHL in on-ice shooting % on the PK.

He's currently 4th in the NHL in on-ice shooting % at 5 on 5. He's already 6 points up on his career season at 5 on 5 with 20 games left. That offsets the 8 goals he's behind on his career high in PP goals and then some.

Petterson's Individual Points Percentage at 5on5 is currently 83.64%.

It was only near that high in his rookie season when it was 82.98%. That year he was getting hyped as a future Art Ross/Hart winner etc. Well that didn't happen when the next 3 seasons he dropped into 60s on his IPP.

To put that IPP number of 83.64% in perspective....McDavid has bested that number twice in his career, Crosby twice in full seasons(He did it a few more in half seasons), Ovechkin twice, Mackinnon once, Kucherov once.

83+% participation rate on 5on5 points is something that the greatest players of this generation rarely pull off. Are Canucks fans predicting its the new norm for Petterson?


Canucks fans are accusing me of cherry picking stats when it's the other way around. You are pointing at PP goals as the example of bad luck when he's getting outstanding puck luck in every other area of the game.

I'm fine with revisiting this thread next season and comparing him to some of the centers he is somehow ranked above on some of these lists. Petterson will be hard pressed to repeat this season from a conversion standpoint.

Considering Pettersson has only played 1 full season which by the numbers was the worse season of his career in 2021-22 I wouldn't put career totals and rather look at averages. Right now on the powerplay, his IPP is at 47% which is low, his shooting % is 4% and he's producing at a clip of 4.38P/60 when he usually hovers around the 5's.

 

[GreeningOil]

yeah he only sucks away from McDavid, no big deal really

??????

 

[Bank Shot]

Considering Pettersson has only played 1 full season which by the numbers was the worse season of his career in 2021-22 I wouldn't put career totals and rather look at averages. Right now on the powerplay, his IPP is at 47% which is low, his shooting % is 4% and he's producing at a clip of 4.38P/60 when he usually hovers around the 5's.

Yeah that's fair. I'll concede the point that Petterson is somewhat underperforming on the PP this year.

If you compare 5on5 and shorthanded by the same method you get this:

5v5- 3.23 p/60
shorthanded- 4.71 p/60

Both of these are miles above anything he has done previously. The shorthanded p/60 is frankly absurd and is in fluke territory.

The 5v5 is also a big outlier and it appears to be driven far more by on-ice shooting % which is somewhat random, rather than by a big increase in Petterson's shot/chance volume.

If all of his conversion numbers return to historical norms next year, we'd be looking at a net decrease in raw points.

There is some uptick in Petterson's individual shots/60, and individual corsi and individual high danger corsi, but they still lag well behind a guy like Auston Matthews even in an off year for the Leaf.

So putting Petterson above a guy like Matthews, or even in the same tier based on a single year of higher points per game driven by puck luck is premature.

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

No.

12.79% 5v5 on-ice shooting percentage is not sustainable.

Regression incoming next season.

We know you're jealous

 

[Bank Shot]

We know you're jealous

Yeah Hopefully the Oilers can get Petterson in exchange for McDavid. What kind of sweetener do the Oilers need to add?

 

[Chinaski89]

what do u mean mistaken about what? lol

Hertl has been atrocious this year. Point totals still appear ok but his play driving ability is nil and effort is nonexistent some nights. That contract is going to be terrible down the road.

 

[TBF1972]

Bergeron's the most overrated player since prime Toews.

boston is really dissapointed with his play.

 

[TBF1972]

Only his individual shooting percentage on the PP....

His on-ice shooting % on the PP is fine, and his career high in powerplay assists is 17. He currently has 15 with 20 games to go. Elias is on pace for 23 PP points which is only 4 points behind his career high thus far..........

He's currently 3rd in the NHL in on-ice shooting % on the PK.

He's currently 4th in the NHL in on-ice shooting % at 5 on 5. He's already 6 points up on his career season at 5 on 5 with 20 games left. That offsets the 8 goals he's behind on his career high in PP goals and then some.

Petterson's Individual Points Percentage at 5on5 is currently 83.64%.

It was only near that high in his rookie season when it was 82.98%. That year he was getting hyped as a future Art Ross/Hart winner etc. Well that didn't happen when the next 3 seasons he dropped into 60s on his IPP.

To put that IPP number of 83.64% in perspective....McDavid has bested that number twice in his career, Crosby twice in full seasons(He did it a few more in half seasons), Ovechkin twice, Mackinnon once, Kucherov once.

83+% participation rate on 5on5 points is something that the greatest players of this generation rarely pull off. Are Canucks fans predicting its the new norm for Petterson?


Canucks fans are accusing me of cherry picking stats when it's the other way around. You are pointing at PP goals as the example of bad luck when he's getting outstanding puck luck in every other area of the game.

I'm fine with revisiting this thread next season and comparing him to some of the centers he is somehow ranked above on some of these lists. Petterson will be hard pressed to repeat this season from a conversion standpoint.

i would first explain what oish% is.

 

[HockeyWooot]

Broke into tiers instead based on performance value not limited to point production. Some players who have broken out more recently (Thompson, Hughes, Pettersson) need to repeat again before they move their way up the list imo.

McDavid

MacKinnon

Crosby
Draisaitl
Matthews

Bergeron
Thompson
Barkov

Point
Pettersson
Hughes

Zibanejad
Hintz
Aho
Stamkos

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Hertl has been atrocious this year. Point totals still appear ok but his play driving ability is nil and effort is nonexistent some nights. That contract is going to be terrible down the road.

ok but my ranking is based on faceoff wins

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Yeah Hopefully the Oilers can get Petterson in exchange for McDavid. What kind of sweetener do the Oilers need to add?

Start with a couple of firsts and go from there

 

[Chinaski89]

ok but my ranking is based on faceoff wins

Oh, I guess I didn’t see that. My bad.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Oh, I guess I didn’t see that. My bad.

I was going to add a few more because something like 8-12 were a difference of like 5-10 faceoff wins. but but its a top 10 so I went with it.
would likely change by now. f*** it lets see
Bergeron
Horvat
Crosby
Kopitar
Hischier
Lindblom
Compher
Hertl
J. Staal
Draisaitl (629)
Jenner (605)
Pageau(injured - 598)
Barkov/Larkin (576)

 

[jonlin]

Can you all just stop calling Draisaitl a center? If he plays more wing with McDavid than center - he should be listed as a wing!

1	KAILER YAMAMOTO - EVANDER KANE - LEON DRAISAITL RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS - ZACH HYMAN - LEON DRAISAITL CONNOR MCDAVID - EVANDER KANE - LEON DRAISAITL
2	CONNOR MCDAVID - ZACH HYMAN - LEON DRAISAITL KAILER YAMAMOTO - WARREN FOEGELE - LEON DRAISAITL JESSE PULJUJARVI - CONNOR MCDAVID - LEON DRAISAITL
3	CONNOR MCDAVID - ZACH HYMAN - LEON DRAISAITL CONNOR MCDAVID - EVANDER KANE - LEON DRAISAITL RYAN MCLEOD - ZACH HYMAN - LEON DRAISAITL
4	KAILER YAMAMOTO - RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS - LEON DRAISAITL CONNOR MCDAVID - ZACH HYMAN - LEON DRAISAITL KAILER YAMAMOTO - CONNOR MCDAVID - LEON DRAISAITL

 

[Sigurd]

I was hoping this would be top 10 Cs in your team's franchise history. That would've been interesting IMO.

 

[scoopscj]

Nico > Jack. Overall. Jack more dynamic, more turnovers, Nico better overall and especially board play.

 

[b in vancouver]

Kinda crazy to see, and rightfully so, so many of us still having Bergeron and Crosby in the top 10. 20 years ago they were the best two players on the same line at WJC. Especially considering the injuries (concussions) that really limited some of their prime seasons.
Probably have to go back to days of Mess and Wayne for two 35+ centres to be considered that high.
Add Kopitar, Pavelski, Malkin and Krejci to the mix of centres who are still playing great hockey at their age and it gets more impressive.

Anyways. Pretty cool those two are still that good especially with their careers being somewhat entwined. And with spending their careers with one team. 5 of the 6 I mentioned have. It's pretty cool IMO

 

[Dirty Dan]

For people who mainly actually play pure C

Matthews
O'Reilly
Tavares
McDavid
Mackinnon
Thompson
Hughes
Zibanejad
Bergeron
Aho

 

[LAKings88]

The bitter Kings fan in me knows -without going through the thread- that Kopitar (Pretty on par with Bergeron in every way) isn't going to be nearly appreciated as he should be.