Player Discussion Linus Ullmark (G)

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In my opinion, it is no coincidence that he signed just a couple of days after Swayman did.
It would seem he was just waiting to see what his buddy Swayman got.

It wouldn't surprise me if this deal has been done for a little bit, but they wanted to wait to announce it until right before the home opener.

Swayman may have also played a part.

The point is, I think both sides probably talked and knew the general parameters of what was important to each side.

Finally acquired & signed an NHL goalie with Vezina Pedigree. Haven't had one since Hasek.

Anderson had at least one Vezina tier season, but I get what you're saying.

I think Anderson has gotten more appreciation over the last few years compared to when he was here, because the last 6 or so seasons have been a crash course in how difficult it can be to get a goalie here. Ullmark should hopefully be the solution to that.
 
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The full Debrincat implication?

Doesn't look so bad in retrospect.


OUT:
Kevin Korchinski (#7)
Joonas Korpisalo (cap dump - 4 years @ $3M)
Paul Ludwinski (#39)
AJ Spellacy (#72)
Mark Kastelik

IN:
Javon Moore
Donovan Sebrango
Alex Debrincat (1 year)
Dominik Kubalik (1 Year)
Linus Ullmark (1 year @ 5M, 4 years @ $8.25M)
 

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Where would you guys rank Ullmark compared to these others.... taking contracts into consideration:

Hellebuyck 8.5M
Swayman 8.25
Ullmark 8.25
Sorokin 8.25
Saros 7.7

Markstorm might be the bargain of the NHL at 4.125M. If he gives the Devils .910 save percentage this season, that is outstanding value.
 

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For all people*mostly no Sens fans* saying we overpaid yall can suck my big ballz. Mostly are jealous cause now that deal looks like a robbery.
This guys is a legit elite starter in the league, he deserve those 8.25 millions a year .The guy is number 1 for all goalies stats the last two years come on .
8.25 is good price now and later on : cap is rising each year for sure next 4 years.à

Toronto/Habs/Bruins/Wings get the lube ready GOSENGO
 

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I think us ruining goalies is how this deal got done. Linus doesn't want to risk getting hung out to dry by the sens system in a contract year so he inked now.

He shorted his own stock.

...and for us, even if our system shells goalies, we still want the best one we can get in net to stem the bleeding.

Win-win.
They didn't ruin anyone. Korpisalo sucks. Forsberg sucks. Murray sucked. The list goes on. Backups at best being thrust in to starting roles. Sure, Ottawa wasn't great defensively, but nobody brought in since Anderson (or many during/before his tenure) had a track record that should have had anyone expecting otherwise. Their career stats told us what we needed to know, especially Korpisalo.
 

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Where would you guys rank Ullmark compared to these others.... taking contracts into consideration:

Hellebuyck 8.5M
Swayman 8.25
Ullmark 8.25
Sorokin 8.25
Saros 7.7

Markstorm might be the bargain of the NHL at 4.125M. If he gives the Devils .910 save percentage this season, that is outstanding value.

Hellebyuck
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Saros
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Swayman
Ullmark
Sorokin
 

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They didn't ruin anyone. Korpisalo sucks. Forsberg sucks. Murray sucked. The list goes on. Backups at best being thrust in to starting roles. Sure, Ottawa wasn't great defensively, but nobody brought in since Anderson (or many during/before his tenure) had a track record that should have had anyone expecting otherwise. Their career stats told us what we needed to know, especially Korpisalo.
Bishop d'accord gus dreiger talbot murray.

All played way better after leaving or before arriving. We got zero really good years out of those guys. Other teams got quite a few.
 

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Bishop d'accord gus dreiger talbot murray.

All played way better after leaving or before arriving.
Bishop played fine with us, we just had Anderson already and traded Bishop for what looked to be a stud rookie in Conacher. It didn't work out, c'est la vie

D'accord played 9 games with us over 4 years ago - it wasn't until last season he even put up a save % above .900

Gustavsson followed up a great season in Minny with a stinker last season

Murray was cooked before coming here - put up .899 his last season in Pittsburgh

The only one on that list you can say played consistently better before and after is Talbot and it's only been 1 season he still has time to turn into a pumpkin haha
 
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Bishop played fine with us, we just had Anderson already and traded Bishop for what looked to be a stud rookie in Conacher. It didn't work out, c'est la vie

D'accord played 9 games with us over 4 years ago - it wasn't until last season he even put up a save % above .900

Gustavsson followed up a great season in Minny with a stinker last season

Murray was cooked before coming here - put up .899 his last season in Pittsburgh

The only one on that list you can say played consistently better before and after is Talbot and it's only been 1 season he still has time to turn into a pumpkin haha
and he now plays behind chariot/petry/maatta so he is definitely turning back into a pumpkin
 

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Bishop d'accord gus dreiger talbot murray.

All played way better after leaving or before arriving. We got zero really good years out of those guys. Other teams got quite a few.
Those are mostly young guys that weren't able to establish themselves though. Bishop was pretty good in Ottawa and was dealt more because of a log jam with Lehner/Andy. Gus looked up and down, as he has in Minny, just to a lesser extreme, but he wasn't good last year, and many were unhappy with the move to send him away. D'Accord barely played, only 9 games, and was trending up had the expansion draft not happened. Many thought he should have potentially been protected. Dreidger played 3 games in relief only. Looks more like a lack of patience from management or moved out of necessity.

Talbot is basically the exception imo, but he had a lot of injury issues that year too.

Murray sucked and is always injured, that hasn't changed since then. He was quite obviously damaged goods by the time he came to Ottawa and in hindsight was just a bad play to trade for and sign him.

We shouldn't have expected more from guys like Nilsson, Hammond, Forsberg and Korpisalo. Their careers prior told us what we needed to know.

I think it's fair to say things haven't worked out for goaltenders in Ottawa and that things probably should have gone a bit better than they did, but they weren't providing quality options as the much more glaring issue. Young unproven, or re-tread backups. Ullmark is the first one in a long time with the kind of pedigree we want, and isn't available because he's damaged goods like murray. I know I expected about what we got out of Korpisalo, god what a terrible signing that was.
 
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What a deal by Steady Steve - Ullmark for a late 1st and Korpisalo, and we now have Ullmark under control for the next 5 years.

Everything analytically says this should be a good fit- Ullmark has great advanced stats for a goalie that propped the Bruins D up.
 
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This is great for this team on so many levels.

It will give confidence to the group in general that they have someone they can trust back there.

It will give younger guys like Soogard and Merrilainen a good role model to follow and substantially reduce the pressure on them knowing there is a legit starter on the team.

Ullmark is a good communicator on the ice and very straighforward, which will help his Dmen and forwards.

Sign of stability for the next 5 years.

4 year contract is perfect. Ullmark could've taken us to the cleaners if he really wanted to, but it turned out well.

Ullmark has pedigree. This means that even if somehow this doesn't work out, there will be a good market out there for him as opposed to a guy like Korpisalo who had a up and down career.

Awesome trade by Staios really. To turn Debrincat(Bos 1st) in Ullmark salvages some of the value lost by Dorion, or at least gives us a real difference maker for the price we paid. Also dumping Korpi. Key move to change the blueprint of the team and get the stink of Dorion out the door.
 

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The full Debrincat implication?

Doesn't look so bad in retrospect.


OUT:
Kevin Korchinski (#7)
Joonas Korpisalo (cap dump - 4 years @ $3M)
Paul Ludwinski (#39)
AJ Spellacy (#72)
Mark Kastelik

IN:
Javon Moore
Donovan Sebrango
Alex Debrincat (1 year)
Dominik Kubalik (1 Year)
Linus Ullmark (1 year @ 5M, 4 years @ $8.25M)

Listing who the Blackhawks selected with the draft picks we gave up in the DeBrincat deal isn't a smart way to judge a trade, as the Sens wouldn't have selected the same players.

For better or for worse, I'm pretty confident Kasper was our guy with the #7 pick, and we weren't taking Ludwinski 39th. I mean for god's sake he's only 5'11.

The DeBrincat trade was a complete disaster but the Ullmark trade was robbery. Don't need to break it down much more than that.
 
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What?? Made my day!

I enter the Senators boards many times a day, every once in awhile have a “wait what?? Holy shit!”. This is one of those times.
I was checking out Coming In Hot on youtube before visiting the board. Ended up catching the news conference with the news. I too was like, what? OMG, we have a true # 1 for the next 5 years. GSG
 

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We have a 4 year window - anything less than a Stanley Cup is a failure. I said it

(My expectation in a year went from hoping our old G.M. Had clean clothes on to winning a Cup by 2028. )
Well 5 years actually if you're referring to goaltending. He still has 1 year on the current contract. New contract starts next season. He's now signed as a major piece of the core who are mostly all signed to long-term deals.
 
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Well 5 years actually if you're referring to goaltending. He still has 1 year on the current contract. New contract starts next season. He's now signed as a major piece of the core who are mostly all signed to long-term deals.

Tkachuk has 4 years left.
 
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Just one stupid argument in exchange for another, that's all.
Ok, let me make it clear for you because I am too stupid for you to understand.

Daccord has a 1yr track record. Ullmarks is more than 5 yrs, all playing at or above the level that Daccord reached . Goalies are notoriously inconsistent, and Ullmark has proven to be one of the more consistent goalies in the league. That is why - to answer your brilliant question - he is paid that much more.

Isnt it interesting that everyone is so stupid but you? Must be frustrating hand-holding us dummies all day.
 

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Hows our cap situation looking with this
Doesn't affect it this year, he still has one year left on his $5M contract. The cap is predicted to go up by $4M next year + Forsberg is in the last year of his contract. He will probably be replaced with a cheaper option or take less to stay here if his play starts improving this year.

The only other contracts for next year with this roster are G, Cousins, Gregor. If G stays, it's possible he gets less than $6.5M going forward. I think it depends on what type of year he has, but I don't think he'll get more.

Pinto only needs a new contract in 2 years. I think they'll be in good shape cap wise going forward. Nice to have an owner willing to spend to the cap.
 

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That's cold, hard fear you're seeing there.

But he hasn't even played a game yet!

His numbers aside from Boston are not really a starter's workload!

Ok, thanks for the opinions. We now have a vezina winning, real goaltender for the first time in years. Go away
Are they saying the same thing about Swayman? He didn't have a starter's workload either and Ullmark was in net for most of the tougher teams, Swayman got the other teams. With Korpi playing as badly as he is, it'll be up to Swayman to carry the load. Ullmark's already done it. Barring injury, I'm not worried.
 

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Ok, let me make it clear for you because I am too stupid for you to understand.

Daccord has a 1yr track record. Ullmarks is more than 5 yrs, all playing at or above the level that Daccord reached . Goalies are notoriously inconsistent, and Ullmark has proven to be one of the more consistent goalies in the league.

Isnt it interesting that everyone is so stupid but you? Must be frustrating hand-holding us dummies all day.
5 years in a row of Ullmark meeting or exceeding D'accord's save %. Basically 7 years and a cup of coffee vs. 1 year and a cup of coffee.
 

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Are they saying the same thing about Swayman? He didn't have a starter's workload either and Ullmark was in net for most of the tougher teams, Swayman got the other teams. With Korpi playing as badly as he is, it'll be up to Swayman to carry the load. Ullmark's already done it. Barring injury, I'm not worried.
That's a good question, I didn't go into that thread, but yeah, it's true, it's not like swayman has a huge body of work either.
 
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