Speculation: Lindholm seeking 8 years, north of 6M per

[ManofSteel55]

My god Lindholm is getting overated. A top 10 D?

Lots of guys are called top 10 D, more than 10.

That doesn't change that he is a great young defenseman and the cornerstone of Anaheim's blueline moving forward. He might not be top 10 yet, but he could be as soon as this season, and has already shown that he can be a legit #1. The question with Lindholm to me is he settles in as and average #1 defenseman like he is now, or develops more offense and actually becomes a legit Norris discussion defenseman. Either way, he is worth more than the 6X8 deal being discussed.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Oilers dont need Lindholm...
Vatanen however would be great for us.. Vatanen for EDM 2017 1st + someone cheap or\and with retained salary..

Lock Lindholm up long term.

Having Lindholm as your #1 would actually give the Oilers a legitimate NHL blueline in the future. Adding Vatanen would just give you another top 4 Dman, and you would still have no #1 in the system. Seems like trading for Lindholm would be the much better option?

 

[Stuzchuk]

50M-56M for 8yrs is pretty reasonable I'd say

Lindholm have shown that he could potentially lead a defense one day, a great 2-way defender

 

[eternalbedhead]

Sorry about the misleading title, went a bit homer-mode shortening "over 6M" to simply "6M"


Anyways, if Lindholm will accept a 6M dollar contract for that kind of term, we have to jump on that. Move Fowler or one of Despres or Stoner if possible (assuming Bieksa is out of the question ), give Lindholm a 48-50M contract over an 8 year term, and we should still be able to fit Rakell on a 2-year bridge under the cap.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

He's not worth 6+ mil with what he's shown. Pay for actual production, not potential imo.

Lindholm is a proven #1 on a play-off team. Paying him $6M+ isn't paying for potential - it's paying him what he's worth based on what he's contributed to a very good hockey team IMO. This isn't like Reilly where he might grow into a #1, because HL is already that right now. And if you're locking him in for 8 years - that includes at least 4 UFA eligible years.

 

[Gargyn]

No he's not because he's worth significantly more than 6. Ducks are the ones being greedy.

He's not worth significantly more than 6 lol...the hype on him is ridiculous. Significantly more means you think he is worth at least 8 and he has not proven to be that good yet.

 

[LTIR]

Having Lindholm as your #1 would actually give the Oilers a legitimate NHL blueline in the future. Adding Vatanen would just give you another top 4 Dman, and you would still have no #1 in the system. Seems like trading for Lindholm would be the much better option?

Oilers are more than happy with rolling Klefbom-Larsson as top pairing.
Lindholm would be a luxury but Vatanen being a RHD and PPQB fits much better.
The cost to acquire would certainly not be Draisaitl either.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Oilers are more than happy with rolling Klefbom-Larsson as top pairing.
Lindholm would be a luxury but Vatanen being a RHD and PPQB fits much better.
The cost to acquire would certainly not be Draisaitl either.

You are quite delusional. Lindholm is easily better than both those defensemen and it would cost more than Draisaitl alone.

 

[dracom]

Lindholm is a proven #1 on a play-off team. Paying him $6M+ isn't paying for potential - it's paying him what he's worth based on what he's contributed to a very good hockey team IMO. This isn't like Reilly where he might grow into a #1, because HL is already that right now. And if you're locking him in for 8 years - that includes at least 4 UFA eligible years.

Eh, he's not a proven #1 just yet. He played like one near the end of the season and the playoffs, but before that he was just a really good top 4 guy.

But thinking it over I've reconsider my previous stance on it being too much. I just want a deal don't already.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Oilers are more than happy with rolling Klefbom-Larsson as top pairing.
Lindholm would be a luxury but Vatanen being a RHD and PPQB fits much better.
The cost to acquire would certainly not be Draisaitl either.

lol a franchise dman is not worth drasaitl? get real, the oilers do that trade every day of the week. they draw from their biggest strength to address their biggest weakness

 

[Pongs21]

lol a franchise dman is not worth drasaitl? get real, the oilers do that trade every day of the week. they draw from their biggest strength to address their biggest weakness

Pretty sure he was saying the price of Vatanen would not be Drasaitl

 

[Liferleafer]

Well, here's your chance to land that LW you need....JVR for Lindholm!! You guys don't want that greedy bum....right??












I kid...I kid.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

He's not worth 6+ mil with what he's shown. Pay for actual production, not potential imo.

This is insulting.

Anytime that Trouba has been mentioned in the same breath as Lindholm, people lose their MINDS that the same two could even be brought up in the same sentence.

Now that it's time for the dude to get pain, "he hasn't shown enough yet."

 

[caliamad]

Eh, he's not a proven #1 just yet. He played like one near the end of the season and the playoffs, but before that he was just a really good top 4 guy.

But thinking it over I've reconsider my previous stance on it being too much. I just want a deal don't already.

I don't think of his as a #1 guy (and I don't mean top 30, a guy is a cornerstone defenseman like Doughty/Keith), more like between #1 #2. I do think at worst, like the beginning of both of last 2 years, his play was closer to a #4, but on average, I'd say he's at worst a top 60/#2 defenseman.

I think he is probably the best young defenseman out there, assuming Anaheim gets the contract we want (6 years under 6 million). After Ekbad signed his contract, his value to salary dropped a lot.

 

[Bfreezy40]

Hows that?

This is 8y deal and with a 6M cap hit, that's a steal right there.

If he gets 8 years 6M i can only wonder what rasmus ristolainen is gonna get then.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

If he gets 8 years 6M i can only wonder what rasmus ristolainen is gonna get then.

Probably less since Lindholm is better at everything other than being a tough guy.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

If he gets 8 years 6M i can only wonder what rasmus ristolainen is gonna get then.

Less?

 

[Draiskull]

You are quite delusional. Lindholm is easily better than both those defensemen and it would cost more than Draisaitl alone.

And that is why Oilers fans dont want him.

lol a franchise dman is not worth drasaitl? get real, the oilers do that trade every day of the week. they draw from their biggest strength to address their biggest weakness

umm was talking about the cost to acquire Vatanen.

Also, Left side D is not the biggest weakness on Oilers.. It the biggest strength.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I think it's fair to say that Rielly and Jones are within the same tier as Lindholm. With that said, Lindholm is arguably a step ahead at the moment. By those standards, I think the following would be a fair contract:

8 year contract @ $49.5 million ($6.1875 million/per year)

Years 1-6 @ $5.75 million/per (more than both Rielly and Jones due to him being a step ahead, but not significantly more since they're on the same tier.)

Years 7-8 @ $7.50 million/per (It gives Lindholm peace of mind that he'll get $7.5/per even if he doesn't become a #1 and gives Anaheim 2 bargain years if he does become a #1...but it's a gamble by both parties)

So, in the end, you essentially pay him what should be considered fair wages based on his comparables and then a solid salary for the remaining 2 years in hope he becomes more than a #2.

Anyone saying he deserves much more than that is basically thinking of him in terms of UFA money when he's an RFA.

 

[WilliamNylander]

He's a top 10 dman in the league, worth a lot more already IMO

I love rielly but lindholm is a tier above him right now

 

[HanSolo]

Thanks a lot Florida.

Lindholm said he doesn't want his contract to set a standard for other similar players getting lowballed. Either he thinks he's a top 10 defenseman in the league or he thinks Jones and Rielly got low ball offers.

 

[Avs44]

Thanks a lot Florida.

Lindholm said he doesn't want his contract to set a standard for other similar players getting lowballed. Either he thinks he's a top 10 defenseman in the league or he thinks Jones and Rielly got low ball offers.

Or he thinks he's giving up two more UFA years than either Jones or Rielly did, so therefore he deserves to be paid more for that. Not to mention he's currently better than both of the players you just mentioned.

 

[Maukkis]

Thanks a lot Florida.

Lindholm said he doesn't want his contract to set a standard for other similar players getting lowballed. Either he thinks he's a top 10 defenseman in the league or he thinks Jones and Rielly got low ball offers.

Tallon took the HFBoards approach to make his team into a contender: make everyone else worse. He just happened to have the perfect defenseman to give that huge contract to.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

He's a top 10 dman in the league, worth a lot more already IMO

I love rielly but lindholm is a tier above him right now

That's why in my scenario, he'd be making $5.75 versus Rielly's $5.0. That should account for the difference in where they're at.

 

[WesMcCauley]

BM is offering a deal close to Reilly and Jones. Those aren't lowball offers. Lindholm or his agent is just being greedy.

No they arent. 6+ is very fair longterm for a guy like him. Anything under 6 is greedy from Anaheim