Speculation: Lindholm seeking 8 years, north of 6M per

[Maukkis]

The article says more than 6 million, so the title is a bit misleading.

But hey, luckily the Ducks have it all covered.

 

[dracom]

Lots of posters here claim he's a top 10 defenseman in the league, if that's the case you should pay him like one.

not really sure who's said that. He's one of the best young defensemen right now, but he's not in the top 10 yet. He can get there though.

 

[FlyLife]

Someone would pay him that, which means the Ducks are in a tough spot.

 

[BB88]

Well seeing as he's asking for more than 6M, he's being greedy. The title for this post is hugely misleading.

Even if he is asking 6-6.5M that's 1M or more less per year than what Ekblad is going to make.

Buying Lindholms prime years at 6.x is not bad, screaming for steal potential.

 

[SB84]

Easily worth worth 6-7. People should learn from the Subban situation. The Habs played Hardball and gave him a bridge deal and ended up paying through the teeth. Lindholm isn't Subban but it's a cautionary tale. Pay the man now and keep the cap hit reasonable for a #1 D instead of paying 7 or 8 long term later.

 

[Mr Positive]

BM is offering a deal close to Reilly and Jones. Those aren't lowball offers. Lindholm or his agent is just being greedy.

If you want the full 8 years, with all that UFA time, the money has to go up. Jones got 5.4m x 6. Asking 6m x8 is more than fair.

 

[Debrincat93]

The article clearly states "more than 6 Million". Read the article, not the misleading thread title OP chose.

you do also realize "at least" can also mean = $6m per year.

The title isn't overly misleading. But were basically arguing over something minor and asinine, anyway.

Lindholm is worth 6-7m a year. He has the potential to be a true #1 but more then likely a number 2. You don't roll the dice and piss those guys off. You sign them up, lock them up, and move out other non-essential assets to retain those guys.

or..

you trade him to the wings

 

[leafsfan1234]

I would of gladly signed Rielly for 6x8, so I'm not sure what's holding them up. Honestly that might even be the better deal, 2 extra years for only 1m more per year.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Man the Leafs lucked out getting Rielly at 5 mill per... I agree that Lindholm should be asking whats reported here but its making me realize even more how lucky Leafs were

 

[BB88]

Man the Leafs lucked out getting Rielly at 5 mill per... I agree that Lindholm should be asking whats reported here but its making me realize even more how lucky Leafs were

On a 8 year contract he'd be getting a lot more, but it's a good deal definitely.

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

Good luck signing any of Karlsson, Doughty, Letang, Pietrangelo at 6M today.

 

[xxreact9]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

This is just extremely false. It's 22-year old player signing to a max length 8 year contract (spanning through and past his prime) and you advise to NOT consider potential in the equation? That's honestly just, dumb, for both parties involved.

You're also being very selective with the players you're comparing him to. Why not list the others? You can't just pick the best contracts in the league and selectively use them as a reference. What about Byfuglien, Chara, Yandle, Phaneuf, etc.?????

Can I say Weber is on a terrible contract at 7.8M just because I can locate 1 player Keith who is better and receives less pay? No, it doesn't work like that.

 

[gretskidoo]

Just send him to Detroit for Nyquist+ and we'll pay him what he deserves.

Penny-pinching GMs and cheap owners are crazy when they do this to their most important young players.

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

Look at Hedman instead, who is the latest top 10 D to get a contract and a great contract at that.

 

[Avs44]

BM is offering a deal close to Reilly and Jones. Those aren't lowball offers. Lindholm or his agent is just being greedy.

Both Rielly and Jones got six years, which means right from the start you'll have to pay more to buy those two extra UFA years. That's a big deal. I'll also add Lindholm has been clearly better than Jones every year they've been in the league. Asking for 6-6.5 million is more than fair on an eight year deal, the contract to Jones at 5.4 million justifies it even further. It's Anaheim that's being cheap.

 

[ijuka]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

Pietrangelo, Doughty, Karlsson are the only decent comparisons here.

Cap-adjusted and adjusted for 8 years, Karlsson's(Who btw is severely underpaid and shouldn't even be in the conversation at all) and Pietrangelo's would equal around 7.5mil AAV. Doughty's is a 8-year contract that cap-adjusted would equal around 8mil AAV.

Still, I'm not sure why you would bring up contracts that are considered steals as the comparables. How about balancing them out with Subban's contract? Even Hedman's contract I'd consider a steal as did many others.


You must have missed that the value of Ds has gone up.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd have happily gone like 6M for 8 years of Rielly, don't see why Anaheim should hesitate in signing this type of deal.

 

[Beesfan]

If I'm Don Sweeney, I offer the following for Lindholm,

Ryan Spooner
Brandon Carlo
Zach Senyshyn
2017 1st Round pick

If that is rejected, I offer-sheet at 7 years 50 million and pay the 4 first rounders.

 

[SEALBound]

If I'm Don Sweeney, I offer the following for Lindholm,

Ryan Spooner
Brandon Carlo
Zach Senyshyn
2017 1st Round pick

If that is rejected, I offer-sheet at 7 years 50 million and pay the 4 first rounders.

@7.14mil/yr...I think the Ducks say adios and take the picks and hopefully something works out. That's a lot of cheddar for a 22yo RFA.

With that, I believe the Ducks could do better than that offer.

 

[ffh]

If I'm Don Sweeney, I offer the following for Lindholm,

Ryan Spooner
Brandon Carlo
Zach Senyshyn
2017 1st Round pick

If that is rejected, I offer-sheet at 7 years 50 million and pay the 4 first rounders.

Crime he hasn't thought of that all summer

 

[Some Other Flame]

If Lindholm is anywhere close to being as good as Ducks fans proclaim him to be, then that's a bargain.

Murray and the Ducks are just being greedy by trying to get the number lower.

 

[cneely]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

You can't compare like that. Fair market value is fluid based on salary cap, expectations, etc. Just because there are value contracts out there, doesn't mean you can use them as a barometer. There are many poor contracts out there as well.

Do you think Lindholm is worth less than:

Phaneuf (7mm)
Chara (6.9mm)
Yandle (6.3mm)
Eric Johnson (6mm)
Boychuk (6mm)

I think right around 6 is fair value for a guy who is already a top pairing guy and can only get better. Especially for an 8 year term.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

You can't compare like that. Fair market value is fluid based on salary cap, expectations, etc. Just because there are value contracts out there, doesn't mean you can use them as a barometer. There are many poor contracts out there as well.

Do you think Lindholm is worth less than:

Phaneuf (7mm)
Chara (6.9mm)
Yandle (6.3mm)
Eric Johnson (6mm)
Boychuk (6mm)

I think right around 6 is fair value for a guy who is already a top pairing guy and can only get better. Especially for an 8 year term.

IMO if Lindholm is willing to sign 8 years, he should be asking for even more than 6+.

He is giving Ducks a bargain if this is true

 

[Maukkis]

9,1 million. That's how much cap space Anaheim has. (Thompson LTIR, 10F 7D 2G)

Send Holzer down, call Ritchie up = about 8,9 million. Rakell and Lindholm would give them 12F 7D 2G roster.

Call up a forward, which there aren't many of in the system = brings the cap space down to about 8,1 million (+/- 100k)

Sign Lindholm and Rakell with that remaining 8,1m.

Why do I sense that someone wasn't honest or didn't count the numbers properly when he told that there will be no problems when re-signing these two Swedes?

 

[JetsHomer]

not really sure who's said that. He's one of the best young defensemen right now, but he's not in the top 10 yet. He can get there though.

He's not top 10 but he is top 20 as a 22 year old.

Today I learned the top 20 dman who is only 22 is 'greedy' for asking for 6m. Wow. Hopefully BM feels the same way

 

[aufheben]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

Seabrook he definitely is.

 

[HOPE]

Love this new market, bunch of young stud looking for long term not execessive contract, these type of deals will look hella good when the caps raises, hopefully galchenyuk settles for something like that, wich i doubt if gets a monster season considering he had a bridge