Speculation: Lindholm seeking 8 years, north of 6M per

[Pinkfloyd]

9,1 million. That's how much cap space Anaheim has. (Thompson LTIR, 10F 7D 2G)

Send Holzer down, call Ritchie up = about 8,9 million. Rakell and Lindholm would give them 12F 7D 2G roster.

Call up a forward, which there aren't many of in the system = brings the cap space down to about 8,1 million (+/- 100k)

Sign Lindholm and Rakell with that remaining 8,1m.

Why do I sense that someone wasn't honest or didn't count the numbers properly when he told that there will be no problems when re-signing these two Swedes?

I haven't read anything that suggests that Anaheim is going to be a cap team now when they've been under a budget since current ownership has come aboard if I'm not mistaken. I think that's a big part of the holdup here. If they're a budget team similar to what they spent last year, they have a lot of money they need to move out.

 

[CupofOil]

BM is offering a deal close to Reilly and Jones. Those aren't lowball offers. Lindholm or his agent is just being greedy.

Is it really worth losing him over .5-$1M/yr extra on a max term contract. I'd say he is easily better than Rielly and Jones currently and for the forseeable future most likely so he should ask for more.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well seeing as he's asking for more than 6M, he's being greedy. The title for this post is hugely misleading.

Sign him for 8x6.5 and see if Winnipeg still wants him. If the cap hit is too high they will have lost interest.

Answer: Yes, we still take him, in a heartbeat and pay a big return in trade.

 

[Dabeast]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

Yes and it's not even close

 

[ManofSteel55]

So he's worth more than: Pietrangelo, Karlsson, Giodano, Seabrook, Doughty, Letang? Not at this point he's not. If we want to start paying players based on potential, then this league is in major trouble.

If all of those players got new contracts today they would be far more than what Lindholm is asking. Karlsson and Doughty would likely be over 10 million.

And yes, Lindholm is just as good as Seabrook and Giordano, if not better.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd like to offer him an offer sheet, 7 years at 7 million per year. Then see what BM does.

 

[Maukkis]

I'd like to offer him an offer sheet, 7 years at 7 million per year. Then see what BM does.

Edmonton is in no position to offer sheet anyone. If there's someone who needs every bit of cap flexibility they can get, it's the one with two top ELC centers and a very good looking elite winger prospect.

 

[caliamad]

The Duck's are cheap.

correction, the ducks throw money around to vets pretty liberally, but not to RFAs, see Stoner, Bieksa, Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry, and Cogliano contracts.

Florida changed the market this offseason but giving all their RFAs, close to UFA money.

Ducks have already said they will "hold the line". I'm not sure how much ducks are offering, but we do know they want don't want bridge deals either.

 

[LTIR]

so whats wrong with 6M x 8yrs for a young top pairing Dman?

Pony up ANA and lock this kid up.

 

[MXD]

6M is closer to 2nd D money in 16-17 dollars...

 

[Curufinwe]

9,1 million. That's how much cap space Anaheim has. (Thompson LTIR, 10F 7D 2G)

Send Holzer down, call Ritchie up = about 8,9 million. Rakell and Lindholm would give them 12F 7D 2G roster.

Call up a forward, which there aren't many of in the system = brings the cap space down to about 8,1 million (+/- 100k)

Sign Lindholm and Rakell with that remaining 8,1m.

Why do I sense that someone wasn't honest or didn't count the numbers properly when he told that there will be no problems when re-signing these two Swedes?

They gotta trade a D with expansion draft coming up, so they may as well do it now to create cap space.

 

[Maukkis]

correction, the ducks throw money around to vets pretty liberally, but not to RFAs, see Stoner, Bieksa, Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry, and Cogliano contracts.

Florida changed the market this offseason but giving all their RFAs, close to UFA money.

Ducks have already said they will "hold the line". I'm not sure how much ducks are offering, but we do know they want don't want bridge deals either.

It's funny how much damage they might have possibly done to other teams, while remaining completely fine themselves.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Edmonton is in no position to offer sheet anyone. If there's someone who needs every bit of cap flexibility they can get, it's the one with two top ELC centers and a very good looking elite winger prospect.

Oh I am very aware of that, it is one of the many reasons we haven't. I would like to...or someone else to...just to see how BM gets himself out of that situation though.

 

[leafsfan1234]

Maybe the Ducks should just trade him? Once Carlyle destroys his Corsi, he'll be considered a bottom pairing defenseman on these boards, so this would be the best opportunity. Maybe Lindhom for Draisaitl could work out?

 

[LTIR]

Edmonton is in no position to offer sheet anyone. If there's someone who needs every bit of cap flexibility they can get, it's the one with two top ELC centers and a very good looking elite winger prospect.

EDM can easily fit in another 6M Dman long term.
Sure they will have to walk away from someone like Yakupov and make minor adjustments but they have plenty of cap space.
Over 20M next season with just Draisaitl to sign.
over 20M to work with when McDavid needs a renewel (factoring in Draisaitl's new deal). Might have hard time fitting Nurse in though.
When Puljujarvi becomes a RFA both Eberle and Pouliot are UFAs. Easily walk away from one if not both of those contracts.

 

[MikeRahl]

correction, the ducks throw money around to vets pretty liberally, but not to RFAs, see Stoner, Bieksa, Kesler, Getzlaf, Perry, and Cogliano contracts.

Florida changed the market this offseason but giving all their RFAs, close to UFA money.

Ducks have already said they will "hold the line". I'm not sure how much ducks are offering, but we do know they want don't want bridge deals either.

What teams are doing is signing players PAST their RFA into their UFA years. They are trying to cost control an asset they think will appreciate in value over the years into their UFA. There is nothing stopping these teams just giving term up to their RFA limit, but that is risky. That is why Lindholm and others are looking at Ekblad numbers as a comparable, they realize the calculus that went into that contract.

 

[57special]

My god Lindholm is getting overated. A top 10 D?

 

[ManofSteel55]

so whats wrong with 6M x 8yrs for a young top pairing Dman?

Pony up ANA and lock this kid up.

The only thing wrong with it is that BM still seems to think that RFA's should get lesser deals. I also think he finally sees that he is in a major cap situation and is hoping that someone gives him a good offer for Fowler or someone like that.

Keep in mind that if he were to sign Lindholm to this type of a deal, then Rakell could be offer sheeted and the Ducks would not be able to match it. It's probably just as much about timing as anything else, if the Ducks find a way to shed some cap, then they will be able to offer both of these guys fair deals without risking losing one to an offer sheet. If Lindholm signed for, say, 6.5, then all it would take to steal Rakell would be a 4 million dollar contract.

 

[LTIR]

Maybe the Ducks should just trade him? Once Carlyle destroys his Corsi, he'll be considered a bottom pairing defenseman on these boards, so this would be the best opportunity. Maybe Lindhom for Draisaitl could work out?

Oilers dont need Lindholm...
Vatanen however would be great for us.. Vatanen for EDM 2017 1st + someone cheap or\and with retained salary..

Lock Lindholm up long term.

 

[viper0220]

Just sign him to 8 year $6.5 million per season($52 million in total) and in year 3, people will say, that is a steal for Lindholm.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That Ekblad contract really changed things and not for the better.

Players should also realize they are not as good as Ekblad

 

[HarrisonFord]

Honestly, he's worth any longterm contract that has a 6 in front of the AAV

 

[gretskidoo]

My god Lindholm is getting overated. A top 10 D?

Only in the minds of you and that random Oakleaf fan do people think he's a top 10 D.

Players should also realize they are not as good as Ekblad

And Ekblad should've realized he's not better than Hedman.

 

[LTIR]

The only thing wrong with it is that BM still seems to think that RFA's should get lesser deals. I also think he finally sees that he is in a major cap situation and is hoping that someone gives him a good offer for Fowler or someone like that.

Keep in mind that if he were to sign Lindholm to this type of a deal, then Rakell could be offer sheeted and the Ducks would not be able to match it. It's probably just as much about timing as anything else, if the Ducks find a way to shed some cap, then they will be able to offer both of these guys fair deals without risking losing one to an offer sheet. If Lindholm signed for, say, 6.5, then all it would take to steal Rakell would be a 4 million dollar contract.

Barrie got 5.5M, Vatanen got almost 5. Lindholm is projected to be better than both but he is not close to Ekblad or Hedman. 6M-6.5M is more than fair.

 

[CupofOil]

Oilers dont need Lindholm...
Vatanen however would be great for us.. Vatanen for EDM 2017 1st + someone cheap or\and with retained salary..

Lock Lindholm up long term.

Don't be silly, the Oilers could definitely use Lindholm. This whole handedness argument is ridiculous, Lindholm would instantly be the Oilers best Dman.

As for Ekblad, an argument can be made that Lindholm is just as good as him right now. I don't see what separates Ekblad from him at this point in his career outside of being bigger.