That's a good question, then again, why would Bob Murray wait till almost November to get his best defenseman signed to a contract? Why would Bob Murray wait till the season started to get Rakell signed? Why do we continue to evaluate this management group as competent, when clearly all they have done is bumbled through this offseason? So no, if he traded Lindholm for a couple picks, I wouldn't be surprised, and "makes absolutely zero sense" could be applied to a few moves of theirs this offseason.
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That's a good question, then again, why would Bob Murray wait till almost November to get his best defenseman signed to a contract? Why would Bob Murray wait till the season started to get Rakell signed? Why do we continue to evaluate this management group as competent, when clearly all they have done is bumbled through this offseason? So no, if he traded Lindholm for a couple picks, I wouldn't be surprised, and "makes absolutely zero sense" could be applied to a few moves of theirs this offseason.
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What sense would this make for Anaheim? It doesn't solve the cap problem, it doesn't shift talent to another position, it just replaces one problem with an identical problem.
Unless Lindholm is just pissed and won't sign at this point. But you'd think we'd have heard something about that.
Unless Lindholm is just pissed and won't sign at this point. But you'd think we'd have heard something about that.
Wouldn't you be pissed if you were in that situation? This isn't like Trouba holding out - they're rumoured to be a few hundred thousand apart on a new deal, but even if Lindholm caved and agreed to their number, they don't have the cap space to get him in the lineup. He's stuck overseas because he doesn't have a work visa. He's not getting to play because the GM horribly mismanaged the cap and he's missing paychecks he'll never get back. I'd be pissed.
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I'm beginning to get the impression that every time you complain about folks "changing goal posts" that what that really means is "despite repeated sharing of my infallible wisdom, you people irrationally persist in disagreeing with me." Nobody's buying your Rielly > Lindholm sales job here, hon - not when your only supporting arguments are "Advanced Stats Don't Work That Way 'Cause I Say So", "The Leafs suck therefore Rielly wins", and "LOL ANDERSEN"...."the proper context" apparently being "whatever context makes me win", at the rate we're going...
Persecution complexes don't exactly make for cogent arguments about player ability.
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Don't be absurd. Josi doesn't get moved, period, full stop.
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Because they can't get him for that, and they know it. He either won't sign it, because that's not nearly enough money to trade the Southern California lifestyle and weather for Edmonton's, or he will sign it knowing that Anaheim immediately matches, then will have damaged relations with Edmonton on the trading front. Offer sheets only work when there's gross overpayment.
What is completely reasonable to 90% of HF fanbases likely has next to nothing to do with what the actual NHL teams think, and they've actually said nothing on the topic because of the whole tampering thing.
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Consider the source! Consider the source!! Consider the source!!!
Same guy who 'Marchand for Marleau' as being as good as done a couple of years ago. He has quite the rep.
Same guy who 'Marchand for Marleau' as being as good as done a couple of years ago. He has quite the rep.
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This.
Or, one could just consider the better source that quotes Murray as the other source being "full of ____". But no, as somebody else put it, once HF smells hypothetical blood in the water, there's no stopping it.
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Why would a team trade a young home grown defenseman under contract for a young outside defenseman not under contract? The fact Anaheim is willing to do this is obvious. Who wouldn't in their position. No team would make an offer like that. Top pairing young d for disgruntled top pairing young d not under contract. Only way it happens is if the team doesn't like their D. Like Hamilton for lindholm. Assuming Calgary already doesn't like hamilton. But if money is the issue with ANA, then it's even more unlikely a team trades a young cheap top D for lindholm. Murphy with a great scoop there. I'll make one here.
Bruins will trade spooner if they can get back a young top pairing D. I'm not wrong here either. Even without sources i know they will do that
Bruins will trade spooner if they can get back a young top pairing D. I'm not wrong here either. Even without sources i know they will do that
So we trade a #1 D for a slightly younger guy who hasn't come anywhere near reaching #1 D status?
What a brilliant move.
Lindholm isn't being traded. It's been said many times by both parties.
Fowler isn't being traded either. These threads are cancerous.
It is a fact that Anaheim needs trade either one, they dont have cap to sign Lindholm.
And if they want something else besides picks or elc in return, they need to give gapdump to other direction.
There isn't good evidence that Lindholm is available, but there is pretty good evidence to show that Cam is. Some of the prices being thrown around these boards are as absurd as some of the evaluations of his talent, but availability isn't something that can actually be crossed off the list.
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huh?
Weren't they just a couple 100k off in negotiations? Ducks should pay this guy...clearly hes important to that team.
Weren't they just a couple 100k off in negotiations? Ducks should pay this guy...clearly hes important to that team.
That is not actually true. Anaheim can make other trades to accommodate Lindholm's new contract. Framing their only options as trading Fowler or Lindholm is just not a true thing.
Ducks fans when talking trade value for Lindholm.... he is a #1 D
Duck fans when talking what Lindholm should be paid.... he is not a #1 D...he should get 5M
Duck fans when offered another young dman making 5-5.5M in a trade.... why would we down grade without getting another significant piece included
Story of his value seems to chance constantly.
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Murray has already stated that this rumor is bull, not sure why the thread still remains open as this guy is clearly not a trustworthy source.
The people that I see stating that Lindholm is a number one defenseman around this board are nearly always fans of other teams, and weighted pretty heavily towards the Eastern Conference. I think you'll find general agreement that he's a top pairing defenseman among our fan base, but most of us are also aware of some of the short comings that he still has to work through to be a number one.
I would really like to know who those other options are. The only people getting over 2 million and don't have NMC are Rakell, Silfverberg, Vatanen, Fowler, Stoner.
From those guys Vatanen and Rakell were signed this summer so it's very unlikely that Ducks would trade one of those. Stoner is so bad for value that nobody takes him even for free, he can of course be a part of a trade if Ducks give something valuable in same trade.
Silfverberg could be 3rd option they can sell but what I've understood Ducks really don't want to sell forwards. So that leaves only Lindholm and Fowler as true trading options.
Looks like you already found some of the answers. Also, Cogliano doesn't have an NMC. He has a limited NTC.
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Gross overpayment? I d say 5mil versus NOTHING is pretty massive overpayment.
Ducks have about 3 weeks to get ducks in a row or we ll see a sheet for sure. Nobody is expecting Lindholm to sit for a year.
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With Despres on LTIR and after sending down two players to accomodate Lindholm and Rakell, the Ducks could already have enough cap room to fit everyone in - at most they will need to move 500-750k. Are you seriously suggesting that trading Lindholm or Fowler is the only way to save a few hundred thousand? That's absurd
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