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Ducks DVM

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gwh said:
Gross overpayment? I d say 5mil versus NOTHING is pretty massive overpayment.

Ducks have about 3 weeks to get ducks in a row or we ll see a sheet for sure. Nobody is expecting Lindholm to sit for a year.
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He has an offer on the table for 5+ For 6 years, so i have no idea what youre talking about. You have to overpay well past that number, or offer a poison pill short term contract with a very high qualifying offer on his next RFA contract.

Offer sheets only work if the team holding the player's rights cannot financially match (and they can easily match the number you proposed), or when the salary offered is well beyond the player's actual value (which the number you proposed is not).

The number of teams who can offer enough money to do anything other than make an offer sheet the Ducks cant easily match is quite small. Keep in mind that any NMC go away if the Ducks match, so don't expect to buy the price down with one of those either.
 
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heusy_79 said:
I think Reinhart could have a perennial Selke candidate type career but I'd still rather keep the Dman with elite potential.
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Keep and keep! Lindholm bleeding dollar right now and wants to continue his rising career! But his limit perhaps is reached when the Gm treat him like garbage, i bet there are 25 Nhl teams who is willing to give him 6x 7 years today, hes not demanding the moon! Perhaps he doesnt resign and demands a trade or signs a offersheet or goes to Khl remaing of the season.
 

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heusy_79 said:
With Despres on LTIR and after sending down two players to accomodate Lindholm and Rakell, the Ducks could already have enough cap room to fit everyone in - at most they will need to move 500-750k. Are you seriously suggesting that trading Lindholm or Fowler is the only way to save a few hundred thousand? That's absurd
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It's more like 2 million what they need to shed even with Despres in ltir. And what happens in Despres is fit to return this season?

And what Ive understood Ducks don't have budget to get 4 million over the cap.
 
johna2626

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Ducks DVM said:
He has an offer on the table for 5+ For 6 years, so i have no idea what youre talking about. You have to overpay well past that number, or offer a poison pill short term contract with a very high qualifying offer on his next RFA contract.

Offer sheets only work if the team holding the player's rights cannot financially match (and they can easily match the number you proposed), or when the salary offered is well beyond the player's actual value (which the number you proposed is not).

The number of teams who can offer enough money to do anything other than make an offer sheet the Ducks cant easily match is quite small. Keep in mind that any NMC go away if the Ducks match, so don't expect to buy the price down with one of those either.
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Can they though? Do you think they are just sitting on Lindholm, trying to rest him, then unleashing him in December? They should be trying to free up cap space, and honestly, a team should get him to sign an offersheet. That would ensure that the Ducks would need to trade away one of their top prospects to rid themselves of Stoner, or to sell Fowler for pennies. Maybe Lindholm trusts the Ducks management, and they are trying to clear out cap at the cheapest possible cost, but that trust must be waning. He needs to get signed by December first, and their best defensemen is already losing checks. The longer this goes, the easier it will be for a team to get Lindholm to sign a sheet.
 
Flameshomer

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Brodie + Klimchuck or Poirier for Lindholm + Max Jones

Flames give up Brodie, who is better than lindholm right now and signed at 4.6 for four years and Klimchuck who was a 1st rounder now producing in the AHL for Lindholm unsigned and Max Jones to play with Tkachuk.
 
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kunekune said:
It's more like 2 million what they need to shed even with Despres in ltir. And what happens in Despres is fit to return this season?

And what Ive understood Ducks don't have budget to get 4 million over the cap.
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If you factor in current space with Despres on LTIR, and sending down two players (let's say Theodore and Sgarbossa), the Ducks have roughly 5.5M to sign Lindholm. He may cost a bit more than that, but I don't know where you're getting $2M from.

If Despres is beginning to show signs of being fit to return at some point, the Ducks will be the first to know. When it comes to concussions, that's still going to be gradual process, giving them a window to work with. At that point they would have to revisit any of the cost saving scenarios they were negotiating before Despres got hurt, in fact there's nothing to say they both can't and haven't continued those negotiations in order to save additional money.
 
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Why do people keep thinking GMs should use OS to just screw over other GMs? Reality doesn't work that way. And if a team was going to OS him, it would have.

Hfboard users really need to get over their love affair of OS.
 

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That's a good question, then again, why would Bob Murray wait till almost November to get his best defenseman signed to a contract? Why would Bob Murray wait till the season started to get Rakell signed? Why do we continue to evaluate this management group as competent, when clearly all they have done is bumbled through this offseason? So no, if he traded Lindholm for a couple picks, I wouldn't be surprised, and "makes absolutely zero sense" could be applied to a few moves of theirs this offseason.
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Such strange logic. Bad post.

What you're saying is this:

"It was/is difficult to sign 2 RFAs... therefore as a result its not surprising to trade their best player for draft picks and completely reverse the short and long term direction of the entire franchise"
 
ted2019

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Why would Anaheim trade for more young defensemen? They have plenty and they really could see a young forward or 2 up front. Their top forwards like Getzlaf & Perry are 31 and Kesler is 32 years old. They need some more younger guys up front that are scorers.
 
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xxreact9 said:
Such strange logic. Bad post.

What you're saying is this:

"It was/is difficult to sign 2 RFAs... therefore as a result its not surprising to trade their best player for draft picks and completely reverse the short and long term direction of the entire franchise"
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And why was it difficult to sign them? Oh yah, the GM's management of the cap...

This should've been handle in the summer when teams still had cap space. No one wants Stoner for a couple of picks. Now Murray's back is against a wall, and he's got to make a trade he doesn't want to make.
 

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Ducks DVM said:
Because they can't get him for that, and they know it. He either won't sign it, because that's not nearly enough money to trade the Southern California lifestyle and weather for Edmonton's, or he will sign it knowing that Anaheim immediately matches, then will have damaged relations with Edmonton on the trading front. Offer sheets only work when there's gross overpayment.



What is completely reasonable to 90% of HF fanbases likely has next to nothing to do with what the actual NHL teams think, and they've actually said nothing on the topic because of the whole tampering thing.
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Uhh....Milan Lucic and Andrej Sekera both took less than 1 mil in a pay raise to dip SoCal for Edmonton as UFAs.

You'll be amazed at the enticement value of Connor McDavid.
 
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ted1971 said:
Why would Anaheim trade for more young defensemen? They have plenty and they really could see a young forward or 2 up front. Their top forwards like Getzlaf & Perry are 31 and Kesler is 32 years old. They need some more younger guys up front that are scorers.
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Agreed were not going to get another lindholm back in a trade
 
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What would it take from Columbus to land Lindholm? Ryan Murray + Sonny Milano for Lindholm? Ducks get back a cheaper top-pairing LHD option and a very solid F prospect.

a Lindholm-Jones/Werenski-Savard/Johnson-Prout top-6 on the blue line would be outstanding :popcorn:
 
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JoeyDangles19 said:
What would it take from Columbus to land Lindholm? Ryan Murray + Sonny Milano for Lindholm? Ducks get back a cheaper top-pairing LHD option and a very solid F prospect.

a Lindholm-Jones/Werenski-Savard/Johnson-Prout top-6 on the blue line would be outstanding :popcorn:
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If Murray wasnt always hurt it would prob be more interesting
 
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