Rumor: Lindholm Mega Thread: All Rumors/Proposals Go Here

[Captain Controversy]

Are you kidding? Didnt you see RNH pick Byfuglian's pocket that led to Kassians goal.
Looking more like Datsyuk every game

That was Patrik Laine's pocket. Yes, Nuge is good.

 

[The Noot]

The team with the overall better defense, because those stats are largely if not completely a product of a team game?

Didn't even see this.

Look at the graph below. It's the team that benefits from Lindholm. The Ducks were an ok corsi team without Lindholm and a great corsi team with Lindholm.

Taken from this article.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/anahem-ducks-blueliner-hampus-lindholm-changing-way-judge-nhl-defencemen/

 

[WesMcCauley]

I know it's broccoli and not something sweet, but

Stepan at half = 3.25

I would add one or more substantive picks
incl jets 2018 2nd

stepan is not a winger, but is productive and a serious bargain at half
line up is more versatile

Retaining 50% on Stepan who doesnt have a bad contract and has 5 years left or something? Makes no sense and will never happen

 

[Nordic*]

Lindholm for Josi.

Nashville has too many offensive defencemen and need a more defensive-minded.

 

[thadd]

Klefbom for Linholm
Klef's contract makes at 4.1 for the next 7 years is very enticing,but would Edmonton do it (contract wise)

That's a really tough question.

1- Klefbom isn't as good as Lindholm
2- Klefbom was 1 of the only 3 solid players (Klefbom, Davidson and Pitlick) that were drafted by Edmonton during the Lowe/Mac-T era and were actually developed properly. To me Klefbom (the better of the 3) is the poster boy for the team starting to do things right.
3 - Edmonton surely eats salary in this trade.
4 - Both are lefties....
5 - Still leaves us with slightly unfavourable depth on the blueline.

I really don't see the point in the trade. If Lindholm were a righty we'd have many good reasons to make this trade, but that's not the case.

I'm happy to have Klefbom-Larson as a first pairing for the long term. I'd be willing to see Edmonton making a trade that involves Edmonton sending a a top 6 forward, a pick and one of Davidson or Nurse for a HUGE upgrade on the blueline, but he's gotta be a righty.

 

[paine]

Jimmy Murphy is full of ****. Last year he said the Ducks were considering trading Vatanen to the Rangers around the trade deadline -- it was complete BS. I asked someone who would know and they said it was not true, they were not even considering trading Vatanen last year.

I asked the same person about Lindholm and was told they are not trading Lindholm. Period. And look at Travis Yost's tweets. Bob Murray said he's "full of ****" when asked about the guy who said the Ducks are considering trading Lindholm.

 

[JetsHomer]

Currently klef- larsson is the best 1 st comp d pair in the game playing on the # 1 team in the league.

"He is a stud"is not really any form of analysis.


So what you are saying is.
The dudisest dude of dudes man!


Our 1st comp pair has given up 0 hsc shots in 2 of the last 3 games.
Zero!

Those 2 against the other teams top 2 lines for 18 evtoi a night for the next 5 years for 8.334M total.

Give - up klefbom?

Brutal!

So it is your assertion, as a supposed 'stats guy' that the most recent 6 game sample is more important than the previous 100+ games we've seen from these two players.



Oilers fan sure do love to hype a player with 36 good games

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Lindholm for Josi.

Nashville has too many offensive defencemen and need a more defensive-minded.

Wouldn't that just create a too many offensive dmen in Anaheim scenario?

I prefer lindholm over josi anyhow

 

[The Noot]

Lindholm for Josi.

Nashville has too many offensive defencemen and need a more defensive-minded.

I don't think either team would like that trade.

Nashville will decline because their guy is signed to an absolute sweetheart deal while fearing a downgrade to an unsigned Lindholm. Anaheim would lose one of their biggest defensive anchors and probably their most "plug&play"-like/flexible defenseman.

For both sides, the risks/downsides are probably too big to make this deal.

 

[Syckle78]

Why would the Oilers do that. Lindholm is horribly overrated and apparently Bob Murray agrees.

He really is. Seems every year some young defenseman becomes god awfully overvalued. This year's winner is Lindholm.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He really is. Seems every year some young defenseman becomes god awfully overvalued. This year's winner is Lindholm.

I assume you never watched him or actually looked into his stats

 

[Vipers31]

He really is. Seems every year some young defenseman becomes god awfully overvalued. This year's winner is Lindholm.

Mainly for entertainment purposes, I'd like to hear your winners from the past five years.

 

[Topkatz]

That's a really tough question.

1- Klefbom isn't as good as Lindholm
2- Klefbom was 1 of the only 3 solid players (Klefbom, Davidson and Pitlick) that were drafted by Edmonton during the Lowe/Mac-T era and were actually developed properly. To me Klefbom (the better of the 3) is the poster boy for the team starting to do things right.
3 - Edmonton surely eats salary in this trade.
4 - Both are lefties....
5 - Still leaves us with slightly unfavourable depth on the blueline.

I really don't see the point in the trade. If Lindholm were a righty we'd have many good reasons to make this trade, but that's not the case.

I'm happy to have Klefbom-Larson as a first pairing for the long term. I'd be willing to see Edmonton making a trade that involves Edmonton sending a a top 6 forward, a pick and one of Davidson or Nurse for a HUGE upgrade on the blueline, but he's gotta be a righty.

Lets be honest, Klefbom is not the player Lindholm is. He is a solid #2 but not on Lindholms level, yet anyway. Replacing Klefbom with Lindholm would be an upgrade of that there is no doubt.

Thats why I stand by my proposal of Klefbom + Reinhart/Davidson + Benson + 1st for Lindholm + Montour.

Ducks get a solid top-pairing D signed longterm for cheap, a 1st and some good prospects that they could definitely use.

Oilers get that elite D and a good RHD PP specialist prospect.

Contracts and salary all make sense.

 

[damicius]

Lindholm for Josi.

Nashville has too many offensive defencemen and need a more defensive-minded.

.....and that fit in Anaheim cap situation how?

Josi with 4mil. caphit and Anaheim with 0,4mil. of capspace....i can see 10x difference.

 

[Exit Dose]

.....and that fit in Anaheim cap situation how?

Josi with 4mil. caphit and Anaheim with 0,4mil. of capspace....i can see 10x difference.

Anaheim put Despres on LTIR on Saturday.

 

[TT1]

Adv. stats dont mean as much in a team sport like hockey, as opposed to a sport like baseball where you can isolate variables and have VERY precise numbers. Hockey has way too many variables.

 

[gwh]

Maybe in a video game. In the real world, it doesn't get the conversation started.

The two biggest pieces coming from Edmonton, the 2 1st round picks, have wildly varied value. And the piece Anaheim is sending to Edmonton is only going to make it more likely that the value of those picks is lower. I wouldn't consider moving Lindholm for 2 15th overall picks. Why would I consider it just because there are 2 2nd round picks added? I wouldn't.

It's a baaaaad deal for Anaheim.

Who cares?

5.63mil offersheet is 1st+3rd. Why would EDM offer more for a guy they can sheet tomorrow?

Player is also 5 weeks out from sitting the season. He ll sign a sheet for sure to get his ask, instead of sitting out come dec 1.

 

[Lurked4Yearz]

If Lindholm is traded, he will most likely go to the Eastern Conference.

 

[Vipers31]

Who cares?

5.63mil offersheet is 1st+3rd. Why would EDM offer more for a guy they can sheet tomorrow?

Because they probably can't get him to sign that. Obviously. That's not much more than the Ducks are offering, and he's not going to Edmonton over Anaheim for $0.2M-ish per year.

 

[The Noot]

Who cares?

5.63mil offersheet is 1st+3rd. Why would EDM offer more for a guy they can sheet tomorrow?

Player is also 5 weeks out from sitting the season. He ll sign a sheet for sure to get his ask, instead of sitting out come dec 1.

The Ducks fans care and honestly the Ducks organization probably doesn't give a flying **** about what you deem an appropriate offer. So I'm asking you: "Who cares?"

And if that was the case he would have signed a sheet by now.

 

[thalegion]

Not interested.

A deal that makes sense is lindholm for klefbom +

Lind is definitely the better player but klefbom is cheaper and long term

 

[WesMcCauley]

Fair enough. I agree that Kesler wouldn't waive, so it is moot. I honestly don't watch enough of the ducks to see how important Kesler has been to them. I was only looking at the financials long term.

Kesler finished 3rd in Selke voting last season. He is worth it atleast now. If he scores 50+ and is an elite defensive center he is worth that deal every day of the week. He is fast,smart, great defensivly and can score. He has alot to his game that will keep him effective for many years to come. Compare him to Ladd, Backes etc and i would take Kesler every time!

 

[gwh]

The Ducks fans care and honestly the Ducks organization probably doesn't give a flying **** about what you deem an appropriate offer. So I'm asking you: "Who cares?"

And if that was the case he would have signed a sheet by now.

There is a difference between missing 2 weeks and missing one whole season with 5mil riding on it.

ANA is practically forcing him to sign one, since his ask is completely reasonable for 90% of NHL teams.

 

[Benstheman]

Are Offersheet still possible??

 

[bernmeister]

Retaining 50% on Stepan who doesnt have a bad contract and has 5 years left or something? Makes no sense and will never happen

makes HUGE sense
Ana is all about max $ saved on productive pieces

only ?s are
$ of half Step vs double that for Lindholm
production of each vs the other
competitive bids