Rumor: Lindholm Mega Thread: All Rumors/Proposals Go Here

[Smirnov2Chistov]

As posted on the Ducks board, I'll post it here to get more of a consensus. As a ducks fan, it hurts to see Lindholm not be on the ice. However, say if the Ducks are in fact successful this season, Lindholm sits the year, and someone shines in his spot (Theodore). What would you guys do? Try and resign him or trade his rights?

 

[TheGroceryStick]

So you're saying Nylander and Marner are as good as McDavid?

McDavid isn't a 1st line forward. He's a franchise forward.

I like how you took THAT from what I said. Not even that I said Joulevi was / would be a 1D. Hahahahahhaha didnt mention the leafs and it went back on them....even when I shot for the moon in saying your prospect was a 1D.
My argument is that it isnt clear cut when categorizing 1D vs top forwards.

 

[canuckster19]

Any idea how much is Lindholm asking for?

 

[Cambodian Fouler]

As posted on the Ducks board, I'll post it here to get more of a consensus. As a ducks fan, it hurts to see Lindholm not be on the ice. However, say if the Ducks are in fact successful this season, Lindholm sits the year, and someone shines in his spot (Theodore). What would you guys do? Try and resign him or trade his rights?

Even if Theo plays out of his mind its not gonna be enough for us to consider trading Lindholm IMO.

 

[LV*]

#1D >>> 1st line forwards

JvR/Gardiner > Fowler

 

[caliamad]

Any idea how much is Lindholm asking for?

6 years and originally 6.5 but it is believed he has dropped to 5.75, ducks started at 5.1 and are at 5.4. Reportedly neither are budging.

I personally think this depends on the health of depres. If his concussion is bad and they have to ltir the whole year the cap situation is a lot different.

 

[Not Sure]

As posted on the Ducks board, I'll post it here to get more of a consensus. As a ducks fan, it hurts to see Lindholm not be on the ice. However, say if the Ducks are in fact successful this season, Lindholm sits the year, and someone shines in his spot (Theodore). What would you guys do? Try and resign him or trade his rights?

Trading his rights most likely won't get a return that Ducks fans will be happy with. Even if the relationship sours and a replacement for Lindholm is found, I think you need to sign and trade to get a decent return.

 

[caliamad]

Trading his rights most likely won't get a return that Ducks fans will be happy with. Even if the relationship sours and a replacement for Lindholm is found, I think you need to sign and trade to get a decent return.

Fredrik Anderson trades says differently.

 

[Not Sure]

JvR/Gardiner > Fowler

Fowler is not a 1D. JVR+Gardiner <<< actual 1D (Subban, Doughty, Karlsson, Keith, OEL etc.). In fact that package wouldn't get you many if any at all young top pairing defenseman, an older #2 sure, but not a guy who's at worst a number 2 now under 25 with room to grow. Start thinking about deals around young top line players. Would you trade Reilly for JVR and Gardner? I don't think anyone in Toronto would and Lindholm is better right now.

 

[canuckster19]

6 years and originally 6.5 but it is believed he has dropped to 5.75, ducks started at 5.1 and are at 5.4. Reportedly neither are budging.

I personally think this depends on the health of depres. If his concussion is bad and they have to ltir the whole year the cap situation is a lot different.

I'd love to have Lindholm but we don't make good trading partners, same division, both close to the cap, you guys can't eat the salary we'd need to send back. Plus I don't think we have a d-man capable of a lateral move.

 

[LV*]

Fowler is not a 1D. JVR+Gardiner <<< actual 1D (Subban, Doughty, Karlsson, Keith, OEL etc.). In fact that package wouldn't get you many if any at all young top pairing defenseman, an older #2 sure, but not a guy who's at worst a number 2 now under 25 with room to grow. Start thinking about deals around young top line players. Would you trade Reilly for JVR and Gardner? I don't think anyone in Toronto would and Lindholm is better right now.

Yea but you're ignoring the face that we'd take your **** contracts off your hands

 

[Seachd]

have you guys figured out which streets the parade is going to be on

Jasper Avenue. You might be unaware, but they've had a few parades before.

 

[Not Sure]

Fredrik Anderson trades says differently.

You think Murray is letting teams talk to Lindholm before a deal is made? Those deals happen when teams are allowed to talk to the player and know he can be signed, that's why guys like Anderson and ROR who are traded as RFA's or pending UFA's are signed almost immediately after a trade is made. I don't think Murray is letting anyone talk to Lindholm with the type of return he will command.

 

[Not Sure]

Yea but you're ignoring the face that we'd take your **** contracts off your hands

Toronto is in nearly as much cap trouble as Anaheim. You couldn't take on the type of Salary needed to even that deal out.

 

[Pongs21]

You think Murray is letting teams talk to Lindholm before a deal is made? Those deals happen when teams are allowed to talk to the player and know he can be signed, that's why guys like Anderson and ROR who are traded as RFA's or pending UFA's are signed almost immediately after a trade is made. I don't think Murray is letting anyone talk to Lindholm with the type of return he will command.

Any team is allowed to talk to Lindholm due to his RFA status.

 

[Not Sure]

Any team is allowed to talk to Lindhold due to his RFA status.

They are allowed to negotiate an offer sheet, are they allowed to negotiate a trade request? I'm sure it could happen but wouldn't think it's actually allowed.

 

[Playmaker09]

They are allowed to negotiate an offer sheet, are they allowed to negotiate a trade request? I'm sure it could happen but wouldn't think it's actually allowed.

He's a free agent. They can talk about whatever they want.

 

[Mr Positive]

No way Anaheim helps our rebuild.

Besides, we're okay on D. The cost for Lindholm would be extreme, and we're in no mood to disrupt the team while we are winning.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Even though there a few arrogant Ducks fans that think they're going to somehow get an upgrade by trading Lindholm, the point is moot.

I believe it was Frideman or McKennzie/Dreger that stated that the Ducks and Lindholm are only a few hundred thousand apart. Lindholm will get signed by Anaheim soon enough.

Don't they have to shed some cap-space in some way though?

They seem to only have $3.9m with Despres on LTIR, is he there for the foreseeable future? And that still isn't enough if we think Lindholm could be had between $5-6m per.

I'm just confused how they can sign Lindholm without making a move first. You can't simply sign your guy if you literally don't have the cap space, and we're in season here and early season so most teams are locked in atm and no one is desperate to make a move yet.

Probably one of the more interesting situations like this that I can remember.

 

[A1LeafNation]

RNH for Lindholm.

 

[Sojourn]

JvR/Gardiner > Fowler

Maybe together, but I don't value JVR or Gardiner individually ahead of Fowler. I consider Fowler the better defenseman outright(better offensively and defensively), and I don't think JVR puts up the numbers to be clearly ahead of Fowler.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Don't they have to shed some cap-space in some way though?

They seem to only have $3.9m with Despres on LTIR, is he there for the foreseeable future? And that still isn't enough if we think Lindholm could be had between $5-6m per.

I'm just confused how they can sign Lindholm without making a move first. You can't simply sign your guy if you literally don't have the cap space, and we're in season here and early season so most teams are locked in atm and no one is desperate to make a move yet.

Probably one of the more interesting situations like this that I can remember.

1D 1F will need to be sent down, that frees up another 1.5M or so. If the Ducks need to free up space beyond that, it won't be much.

 

[Vipers31]

RNH for Lindholm.

Doesn't help financially in any way, is quite weak in terms of value and center isn't a position of primary/secondary need right now.

 

[Not Sure]

1D 1F will need to be sent down, that frees up another 1.5M or so. If the Ducks need to free up space beyond that, it won't be much.

But Lindholm cap hit increases $30k every day he's unsigned, that's a big penalty if he's out 20-30 days, like another player big.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

But Lindholm cap hit increases $30k every day he's unsigned, that's a big penalty if he's out 20-30 days, like another player big.

Wow really?

That's something I had no idea was even a thing.

Who would they look to move as far as big contracts? Kesler or Bernier maybe?

Just wondering about this whole situation as I don't follow what Ducks fans are thinking but looking into it as an outsider they seem to be in a bit of cap hell but could fix it easily by moving a big contract.