Rumor: Lindholm Mega Thread: All Rumors/Proposals Go Here

[go4hockey]

2 1sts and 2 2nds will get it done. No need to trade Pulju

Draft picks will get it done. Yea right your dreaming.

 

[Stuzchuk]

It's either OEL, Faulk or GTFO. We don't want a bunch scraps for Lindholm

ehhhh...?? the thing is, you forgot the + after Lindholm

 

[scan15*]

Maybe together, but I don't value JVR or Gardiner individually ahead of Fowler. I consider Fowler the better defenseman outright(better offensively and defensively), and I don't think JVR puts up the numbers to be clearly ahead of Fowler.

Fowler had 28 points in 69 games last season, with 221 PP minutes for a team which scored 218 goals(middle of the pack). Over 82 games that would be 33 points and 262 PP minutes.

Jake Gardiner had 31 points in 79 games last season, with only 218 PP minutes for a team that scored 198 goals(one of the worst in the league).

Offensively, Jake Gardiner rates better than Fowler, if only slightly.

Defensively, I won't even bother going posting the stats, but Gardiner is an elite shot suppression and possession player. Fowler is not.

 

[Sojourn]

Wow really?

That's something I had no idea was even a thing.

Who would they look to move as far as big contracts? Kesler or Bernier maybe?

Just wondering about this whole situation as I don't follow what Ducks fans are thinking but looking into it as an outsider they seem to be in a bit of cap hell but could fix it easily by moving a big contract.

They wouldn't look to move Kesler.

 

[Flameshomer]

Hamilton for Lindholm

Lindholm + Rakell for Brodie

 

[Sojourn]

Fowler had 28 points in 69 games last season, with 221 PP minutes for a team which scored 218 goals(middle of the pack). Over 82 games that would be 33 points and 262 PP minutes.

Jake Gardiner had 31 points in 79 games last season, with only 218 PP minutes for a team that scored 198 goals(one of the worst in the league).

Offensively, Jake Gardiner rates better than Fowler, if only slightly.

Defensively, I won't even bother going posting the stats, but Gardiner is an elite shot suppression and possession player. Fowler is not.

Gardiner is so good Babcock has him playing 18 minutes a game.

 

[scan15*]

Gardiner is so good Babcock has him playing 18 minutes a game.

Good comeback.

Babcock likes to play his 2nd pair between 19-22 minutes a night, but feel free to use the one outlier to prove your point.

Anyway, too bad Fowler is a lesser defenseman than that scrub Gardiner.

 

[dracom]

Hamilton for Lindholm

Lindholm + Rakell for Brodie

Lindholm is better than Hamilton. The difference between Lindholm and Brodie is not Rakell. Actual try next time please.

 

[Sojourn]

Good comeback.

Babcock likes to play his 2nd pair between 19-22 minutes a night, but feel free to use the one outlier to prove your point.

Anyway, too bad Fowler is a lesser defenseman than that scrub Gardiner.

Your response didn't merit more than that. Possession stats are influenced by how a coach uses a player. And your PP numbers conveniently ignore the fact that Fowler was an important part of the best PP unit in the league last year.

One of these two players has been given heavier responsibilities and more ice time, and his team has consistently been successful. The other player... is Jake Gardiner.

 

[Vipers31]

Anyway, too bad Fowler is a lesser defenseman than that scrub Gardiner.

Outside of a few Leafs fans and the particularly one-dimensional parts of the advanced stats crowd, nobody can actually believe that.

 

[krt88]

We don't just want futures for Fowler we could of done that already like at the draft but we didn't. Also when Lindholm is signed which might not be right away even after trading Fowler we still have to wait some time for Lindholm to be ready to join our team. Trading Fowler for something that helps our team now is what we are going to be doing not just for futures.

And where are you finding the cap room to do this?

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

But Lindholm cap hit increases $30k every day he's unsigned, that's a big penalty if he's out 20-30 days, like another player big.

this i did not know. interesting development

 

[scan15*]

Your response didn't merit more than that. Possession stats are influenced by how a coach uses a player. And your PP numbers conveniently ignore the fact that Fowler was an important part of the best PP unit in the league last year.

One of these two players has been given heavier responsibilities and more ice time, and his team has consistently been successful. The other player... is Jake Gardiner.

Such an uninformed post.

1. Fowler may have faced top competition, but he was a failure against them.

2. Fowler was on a top PP unit but has nothing to show for it.

3. I hope you understand that a successful team is more than one player. You are comparing a team with Getz, Perry, Lindholm, Vatanen against a team that had Kadri as a 1C and Leo Komarov as 1W.

That was hands down, one of the most ridiculous and ignorant posts that I have ever read.

 

[Sojourn]

Such an uninformed post.

1. Fowler may have faced top competition, but he was a failure against them.

2. Fowler was on a top PP unit but has nothing to show for it.

3. I hope you understand that a successful team is more than one player. You are comparing a team with Getz, Perry, Lindholm, Vatanen against a team that had Kadri as a 1C and Leo Komarov as 1W.

That was hands down, one of the most ridiculous and ignorant posts that I have ever read.

Really? Uninformed, huh? So, he failed, and somehow Anaheim still gave up the fewest goals against? That's pretty incredible. And the results of the PP speak for themselves.

I think the ridiculous part is you trying to talk about a player you clearly know very little about, except what you read.

You feel free to stick to your Gardiner > Fowler evaluation. Anaheim will stick with the better defenseman, who they can trust with more minutes, and who has consistently helped them be a better team.

Edit: And, by the way, that team with less depth still saw fit to use Gardiner less. That doesn't really speak very highly of Gardiner. In fact, I think it suggests that Babcock doesn't feel that he can trust Gardiner to take a heavier load. That's speculation on my part, but if I had a defenseman better than Fowler at my disposal, I'd definitely try to get him on the ice more; not less. I think Babcock is a pretty good coach, too, and he's probably pretty aware of how he can best use Gardiner.

 

[Sempiternal]

Ducks Fans... don't be surprised when Lindholm is traded for Prospects and Draft Picks.

 

[Sojourn]

Ducks Fans... don't be surprised when Lindholm is traded for Prospects and Draft Picks.

Okay. Then don't be surprised when he isn't.

 

[Sempiternal]

RNH for Lindholm.

Lindholm's trade value is not at that level. Many people will be surprised what he's traded for... if not signed.

 

[Vipers31]

Ducks Fans... don't be surprised when Lindholm is traded for Prospects and Draft Picks.

Pains me to see the FCB logo attributed to nonsense like this.

Lindholm's trade value is not at that level.

RNH's value is not at that level. Rather obviously.

 

[Fogelhund]

Lindholm is a great player, really one of the best D, and you know, Anaheim is going to get him signed to a great contract, one of the best. But, if they don't, they will do a great deal, because Murray knows how to do great deals, and it's going to be one of the best deals you've ever seen, and they are going to get the best return.

 

[Jozay]

FFS CHEVY GET ON IT!!!

Trouba absolutely fits the bill.

We would have to add but this is 100% what we need. A top young LD.

As far as money goes. Trouba can be signed in the $4.5 to $5.5 range. Not sure how that works out for Anaheim.

Im gonna go ahead and assume the Ducks want someone thats signed.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

Doesn't help financially in any way, is quite weak in terms of value and center isn't a position of primary/secondary need right now.

Agreed financially, so what about Nurse + Nuge for Kesler + Lindholm. Kesler is regressing as he gets older and still has a massive contract. Nuge is still quite young ad Anaheim saves almost 1 million on cap hit.

Not a huge fan of Kesler but to get Lindholm, it would be worth it I think.

 

[Not Sure]

Draft picks will get it done. Yea right your dreaming.

At this point would he sign a 5 x $7.5 million offer sheet if it's made? That's 1 first, 1 second, and 1 third compensation. Perhaps he has wanted to only play in Anaheim all along, but this has to be trying on him watching money fly out the window every 2 weeks. A big sheet would most likely take serious consideration by Lindholm, and put the Ducks in a real bind even if they want to match. He's worth more than a first second and third pick, and it makes him a rare example of a player worth the price.

 

[HolyGhost]

FFS CHEVY GET ON IT!!!

Trouba absolutely fits the bill.

We would have to add but this is 100% what we need. A top young LD.

As far as money goes. Trouba can be signed in the $4.5 to $5.5 range. Not sure how that works out for Anaheim.

Do not see the ducks trading for someone unsigned

 

[Vipers31]

Agreed financially, so what about Nurse + Nuge for Kesler + Lindholm. Kesler is regressing as he gets older and still has a massive contract. Nuge is still quite young ad Anaheim saves almost 1 million on cap hit.

Not a huge fan of Kesler but to get Lindholm, it would be worth it I think.

That's even worse, to be honest. Kesler hasn't really been regressing, yet, and is an instrumental player to the team's current chances; he has a decent claim for the team's MVP title last year. He'll regress soon enough, which will make him a bad fit for a team like the Oilers that will have some big 2nd contracts to sign over the course of Kesler's deal, but his value to the Ducks is very, very real. (Ignoring that he'd never waive his NMC for that type of trade.) Nurse just isn't very interesting to a team with Anaheim's depth with young high potential defensemen.

 

[Exit Dose]

Such an uninformed post.

1. Fowler may have faced top competition, but he was a failure against them.

2. Fowler was on a top PP unit but has nothing to show for it.

3. I hope you understand that a successful team is more than one player. You are comparing a team with Getz, Perry, Lindholm, Vatanen against a team that had Kadri as a 1C and Leo Komarov as 1W.

That was hands down, one of the most ridiculous and ignorant posts that I have ever read.

Hot takes alert.